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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
You're really in love with Ninty, huh?
If Sony were planning to do this we would have already heard something by now. I know they have that patent but we haven't heard any rumors of implementation and their announcement date is February 20th. Either Microsoft is doing this all on their own or nobody is doing this and this is just a false rumor to get people riled up.
Hard to deny something for a console the doesn't exist to them yet.
I think all three publishers might as well skip the EU region.
Could Phil Harrison be a double agent?
Simple fact that there's always news/rumors "from reliable sources" before a console is released that don't end up being true?
Baconsammy
Banned
If that was their goal, they would have come up with an actual account system. I don't think Sony/Microsoft doing this will affect Nintendo at all. Perhaps one of the reasons third parties jumped off the Wii U bandwagon is that Nintendo stated categorically that they won't do it?
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Yep.
Unless this completely explodes in Microsoft's/Sony's face, publishers will be backing this 100% and putting the WiiU in an even tougher situation in landing 3rd party games.
Lol, the only way he could violate his NDA (if he even signed one) is if he confirmed all of this.
If this is false and he openly said it was false how could he be violating any NDA?
didn't you just say this a bunch of pages ago? Nothing is confirmed for Sony, they've only researched it, just like they research a lot of ridiculous things that never happen. But if it were to happen, it's not even the only bad thing written in this article. Always online/region locking are worse imo.
Also why would this make anyone want to get a wiiU? On Durango you might not be able to play used games, on wiiU you won't be able to as well because there won't be any games
You have to repeat yourself on here. It's like a room full of hyperactive kids.
I know for a fact that many of the "upset" people here will be buying either a PS4 or a Durango...the same people talking crap about one is ignoring that the other will probably do the same.
As primarily a PC gamer "no used games" is a norm. Both consoles could be successful with this strategy...IF they sale digital downloads like Steam does.
You have people freaking out and saying f**** Microsoft, I'm going with the competition, etc.
It seems all the "next gen" competition may require registering games and no used purchases.
It's either PC (no used), Durango (no used), or PS4 (no used). That's just as likely as any other "confirmed" rumor. Sony even PATENTED a new way to eliminate used games.
It's poor performance was that after that launch period, the systems sales entered a crater. Literally only early adopters were for the launch sales, not software.
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
Launches
units sold:
Wii < Wii U < 360 < ps3
I think what yr talking about is the lack of momentum, but the launch wasn't the problem.
alexthekid
Member
Sure there will be nothing there to stop them. But I see it as a devaluation of the physical copy, to the same level as a DD. And if this is coming with sales on DD then physical copies will be in a rough spot. And will that be good for the industry? I shouldn´t have called it a war since that is kind of a hyperbole, but arent this a way of hurting physical copies and retailers way to much, way to soon? I think that the amount of money that retailers bring in just by making the products viable and seen by the public still heavily outweighs the problems of second hand sales.
Is this satire? Gotta be.
MisterHero
Super Member
Nintendo can tell them to fuck off too. It's a high probability they won't, but they're in the best position to do it because the customers and press (who should know better) won't.
Always-online is gonna exclude a lot of offline customers. This makes me think the rumor's BS but you never know with this industry.
Valve improved a shitty standard (CD keys that started getting bogged down with terrible DRM), at worst Valve showed how you could possibly do it right... And without them console manufacturers would've tried something worse.
Less than zero? I think we might already be seeing the reprisal from that refusal.
Theoretically, I assume, potentially, etc.
Less third party support for Nintendo? Lol. Is that even possible?
No second-hand is a major bummer for me but if they actually make new games cheaper, then it won't be a massive loss. I just see them dropping the RRP though.
Always online connection is a major issue. My internet is find and I don't get drop outs but MS must have seen and heard all the backlash from other publishers and developers when they push Online Only Connections.
As long as the Blu-ray is nice and fast, it will be a welcome addition. As will Kinect 2.0 if it gets past the shortcomings of the first one.
Always online connection is a major issue. My internet is find and I don't get drop outs but MS must have seen and heard all the backlash from other publishers and developers when they push Online Only Connections.
As long as the Blu-ray is nice and fast, it will be a welcome addition. As will Kinect 2.0 if it gets past the shortcomings of the first one.
LyleLanley
Banned
BolognaSoup
Member
"Always online for games to function" is not real. No way, no how. What percentage of 360's today have never connected to the internet?
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Won't buy any console that doesn't allow used games, except maybe Steambox. I'd trust Valve more than MS or Sony.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
Baconsammy
Banned
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Why would he be mad? He's correct. If Nintendo is having a hard time gaining third party support at the moment, what do you think would happen if both MS and Sony jumped on this? Not only would they flock to Orbis/Durango, that would create even less of a chance of Nintendo getting third party support in the future. Doesn't take a fanboy to come to that conclusion.
If Microsoft does this, Sony will have a huge opening.
Play consoles off line.
Allowed used games to continue (heck, even if you did have to pay for some pass...say like 5 bucks), above the cost of a used game...you are still getting a good deal.
That right there will but Sony light-years ahead.
Play consoles off line.
Allowed used games to continue (heck, even if you did have to pay for some pass...say like 5 bucks), above the cost of a used game...you are still getting a good deal.
That right there will but Sony light-years ahead.
That is a ridiculous response, as neither of those platforms have been released yet.
Kotaku and Edge may not be making it up, but their sources may be, and you have no proof either way that they are or they are not. They are anonymous sources. Like all other anonymous sources, some are right, some are wrong, some contradict eachother.
It's fallacious to believe just because multiple people without credibility are saying something, it is suddenly more likely.
And there is no outright denial because Microsoft does not do outright denials, ESPECIALLY on stuff they haven't announced yet. Why is this so hard to understand? It's not worth their time or effort even if it is false.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
maquiladora
Member
There is a difference between patenting and implementing though. Also makes sense to patent something you think your rival may be working on.
All sorts of stuffs gets patented....
Microsoft patents spying on you with your TV's camera and fining you if there are too many people watching
I expect games to still retail at $60
Delusibeta
Banned
It's also demands you reactivate all of your games every four days, unless they've changed that since launch.
We are still in the launch window according to Nintendo. And momentum is a key factor at determining a successful platform.
Anyway this is thread isn't about the Wii U.
GayForMaster
Banned
Orbis and Durango can fuck themselves. I'm going with Wii U. None of that DRM bullshit is on Wii U. I love how next xbox talks about more kinect as if that shit is enticing.
Honestly, I don't support punishing second-hand owners or people who torrent for the exact reason you state. This hobby is too expensive to keep up with for the average person, and I love letting others borrow/sample my stuff. I have even been known to give a way stuff I don't want to those that aren't as well off.
But here's the thing, the creators do deserve some money from second-hand sales. They have a life and job as well. If they want to keep doing what they love to do their games will need to turn a profit, this is becoming harder to do for studios that don't have the acclaim studios such as Naughty Dog, Rocksteady, Valve, Bioware, and Bethesda have.
This alternative will hopefully bring down the cost of games. We might see new releases reach as low as $30-40 if sales improve... hopefully. I know how greedy companies can be, so I wouldn't bet on it, but there is a chance.
What I would like to see in the future is a way to rent games for the singleplayer or multiplayer digitally for a couple days at an extremely low price, so people can decide whether or not they'll buy in later.
And yet he can basically comment on the article about the next gen xbox, describing it as "negative" yet he cant say "bullshit"
Either way he is talking about something you say that MS denies existence of.
Can Sony leverage that sort of advantage though?
All it takes is a memo that says 'Used games = No CoD' and they'd be in a precarious position.
I reckon neither do this, or both.
Voice of Reason
Banned
Well they did kinda do it, but in a much beneficial fashion.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Thing is, this isn't a Sony vs MS decision. This is something being pushed by publishers. If publishers pressure MS into doing it, they will do the same to Sony or they won't give Sony games.
Tablet controllers and no 3rd party for everyone! Waggle everywhere!
Clay Davis
Member
I don't believe this for a second. there's been nothing, not even a small rumour that they had this planned. until I hear it from microsoft themselves, I'll just believe this is nothing more than click bait from edge.