That's a pretty big leap of faith. We're assuming that third party companies would switch projects from Orbis/Durango to Wii U just because it's selling when many studios would have to make concessions to get their games running. We're getting off track now but it's pretty serious.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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That's a pretty big leap of faith. We're assuming that third party companies would switch projects from Orbis/Durango to Wii U just because it's selling when many studios would have to make concessions to get their games running. We're getting off track now but it's pretty serious.
Lagspike_exe
Member
If this is true, I bet Sony will do it as well.
AppleSmack
Banned
So does that mean $60/year for XBL is now mandatory? I mean it basically was before but now its going to be even more so. Congratulations microsoft. Bleed us out of every penny.
Haunted Tank
Member
I refuse to believe they are doing this. By now it should be so obvious what to do! Take a look at Steam and take it a step further!
- leave retail alone
- offer every game via marketplace at a lower price than retail
- do Steam like sales, not that half-assed bs you are doing now
and many will willingly flock to your DRM.
You don´t want us to sell our games? Fine, but you have got to give us something! It´s all about quid pro quo!
- leave retail alone
- offer every game via marketplace at a lower price than retail
- do Steam like sales, not that half-assed bs you are doing now
and many will willingly flock to your DRM.
You don´t want us to sell our games? Fine, but you have got to give us something! It´s all about quid pro quo!
"Protection" against 2nd hand games in Orbis is heavily rumored, Sony even secured patents for this stuff.
3rdamention
Member
I am 100% sure, in my own mind lol, this will involve activation codes of some sort. If you dont have an activation code attached to your account, you cannot play the game. You can buy the activation code online, OR, I bet Gamestop will be able to sell activation codes, which print on receipts, with their used games (they do this already).
As for what a game can do IF YOU DO NOT have the code, that remains to be seen. If Sony's patent says anything, at least you could play a demo on the game disc.
Now if Sony wants to play hardball, they could say they hold the patent for activation codes and used game sales or something and try to make Microsoft come up with something else. I think this is interesting. I feel BOTH Sony and Microsoft will implement some type of activation code system to curb used game sales, or to get a small % of the sales. How they go about it will be totally different.
As for what a game can do IF YOU DO NOT have the code, that remains to be seen. If Sony's patent says anything, at least you could play a demo on the game disc.
Now if Sony wants to play hardball, they could say they hold the patent for activation codes and used game sales or something and try to make Microsoft come up with something else. I think this is interesting. I feel BOTH Sony and Microsoft will implement some type of activation code system to curb used game sales, or to get a small % of the sales. How they go about it will be totally different.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Meanwhile we walk out of the store with three used games in our hands
oops!
Hey, I'll take brand new Witcher 3 over used Mario Kart any day, but that's just me.
PSYGN
Member
Fucking bullshit if true. I hope Sony doesn't do this, and I hope Microsoft isn't dumb enough to try this, but hey, they've been pretty greedy with their XBOX. I'm almost inclined to replace a dollar sign in place of their 's'. If Microsoft does try this and Sony doesn't, it's insta-death for Microsoft. I don't think they're that stupid. I hope not.
Raven77
Member
Developers and console makers need to be prepared for DRASTICALLY lower game sales if this happens.
I know for a fact I would buy about 1/3'rd of the games I buy now since I sell about 2/3'rds of what I buy on half.com after I'm bored with it.
This could literally lead to the collapse of the console industry if they all do this. Not joking or being dramatic here.
I know for a fact I would buy about 1/3'rd of the games I buy now since I sell about 2/3'rds of what I buy on half.com after I'm bored with it.
This could literally lead to the collapse of the console industry if they all do this. Not joking or being dramatic here.
Ken Masters
Banned
Headline story on The Verge, story seems legit
feeble peanut
Neo Member
So the worst parts of DRM on the pc, minus the benefit of steam prices/sales? Makes sense.
The main issue for games is the idea of ownership. Read the EULA for any game and it includes a clause stating you are merely borrowing the game and at any time the true owner (the publisher) can revoke your access to said game and waive your right to resell it. Even if you have a physical copy, it's not really yours and never will be.
If gaming ever moves away from or is barred (in the case of the EU) and are actually given ownership, we aren't going to see the resale of games. The last bastion we have right now as consumers in this case is in the console market.
Eventually we'll end up just borrowing the consoles themselves until the whole thing comes crashing down.
I know it's a stretch
If I'm not mistaken, this kind of shit (baning second market) is forbidden in the EU... Fuck you Microsoft
If that's the case, how would they manage to even release such a console over there?
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You're completely right, except for the part that Steam doesn't force you to be always online, and you can buy almost any game at a ridiculously cheap price.
So no, it's not like Steam at all.
Given the source and the fever that comes before a system unveiling this doesn't surprise me at all.
I'm not as concerned about restrictions on second hand games since I don't resell my games, and new games drop in price quickly nowadays as retailers try to sell product.
What concerns me most is requiring an always on connection because there's been plenty of issues with games that used such a DRM scheme. Plus there's plenty of times where someone loses their internet connection or go somewhere where there's no internet at all.
I'll pass on this next next generation.
What concerns me most is requiring an always on connection because there's been plenty of issues with games that used such a DRM scheme. Plus there's plenty of times where someone loses their internet connection or go somewhere where there's no internet at all.
I'll pass on this next next generation.
Hey, I'll take brand new Witcher 3 over used Mario Kart any day, but that's just me.
lol same here =/
I'm done with Microsoft tbh.. my only hope is Sony
Ninja Scooter
Member
Nintendo "won" with Wii because the kinds of people that use Pinterest and watch the View bought the system. That doesn't appear to be happening again.
Gemüsepizza
Member
I don't want to say that consoles are "better" than PCs, both have their advantages and disadvantages, they are different. Someone here said consoles will just be weak PCs without any advantages, and even this guy Jim Sterling said that. But I really don't think that's true, that's what I am "trying to prove" here.
soundscream
Member
The simple answer is to sell digital games that release the same day for $40, while charging $60 for physical copies.
The title reads "...says report".
IxmagicmanIx
Member
Dead serious, I won't buy the next xbox if they do this. I'll just stick with my 360 and/or get a PS4.
Then I won't be buying a console next gen.
jamesinclair
Banned
Gamestop to rename themselves wii stop.
GitarooMan
Member
I agree, there's nothing dramatic about that statement.
Ken Masters
Banned
I know, but they don't publish every little system rumor that comes out, let alone give it headline space
They feel its a legit source
LyleLanley
Banned
I'd be all for that as I almost never sell my games. I'd like an easy way to recycle the games and cases though.
Treemonkeys
Member
I think the best compromise would be to stop second hand sales for the first 8 weeks a game is on sale to protect publishers/developers. That is when most sales are anyways make sure they are new sales not game stop used crap. So game would come with a code to play the game in the first 8 weeks. After that don't need code to play it any more.
MisterHero
Super Member
Nintendo totally made it tons harder on themselves by making Wii U 100% backwards compatible. There's no obligation to buy Wii U software.
When will Nintendo realize people don't want old games to work on new platforms? When?!
Mammoth Jones
Member
Well, I won't be bothering with the next xbox. It was good while it lasted. If they want to combat used games then lower the prices of their games to compete.
Especially with games that have been out for a while. Have constant sales. Encourage it. Games on steam do this all the time. And people binge like hell for those deals and buy far more games then than they normally would.
But of course that's not going to happen. Without used games there's nothing to stop games from selling for 64.99 or 69.99. After all there are plenty of gamers willing to pay those prices.
If I only purchased my games new I'd simply buy far less games. The notion that my xbox HAS to always be online in order to function/register a new game? I'm done.
Especially with games that have been out for a while. Have constant sales. Encourage it. Games on steam do this all the time. And people binge like hell for those deals and buy far more games then than they normally would.
But of course that's not going to happen. Without used games there's nothing to stop games from selling for 64.99 or 69.99. After all there are plenty of gamers willing to pay those prices.
If I only purchased my games new I'd simply buy far less games. The notion that my xbox HAS to always be online in order to function/register a new game? I'm done.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
GameCube Hut.
ezekielpacman
Member
Assuming the drive for 'new only' comes from publishers, are they really in such a strong negotiating position that they can boycott systems? They almost solely exist to release games on this hardware, so if they rule out 50% of the potential market it is a lose lose situation.
In an ostensibly already declining market the relationship has to be symbiotic. This is surely illustrated by the decline of key 3rd party exclusives.
In an ostensibly already declining market the relationship has to be symbiotic. This is surely illustrated by the decline of key 3rd party exclusives.
Thats a good one, had me rolling on the floor.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
1) Skyrim is still $60 on Steam. Sure, you can get it on sale on rare occasions but the regular price is higher than a used copy on console.
2) Steam is DRM. There is no need to for publishers to add their own DRM but some still do.
PC gamers have been locked out of used sales for years now and it's starting to happen to console gamers. These days, physical copies of PC games are useless because they activate and DRM-maintained on Steam.
Unfortunately, the more I think about this, the more I think IF MS does it, so will Sony. I don't see either doing this alone. Some kind of standard system would have to be put in place for the publishers and console manufacturers.
pro tip: backwards compatibility doesn't actually matter, especially in the long run.
What scares us into thinking this has some legs of some kind is that this has come up before.
I wouldn't think so. You can have a free Silver account connected to the internet to buy games, DLC and whatnot. You just can't play online with others, use Netflix, etc without having a Gold account.