Stock is down today and analysts seem to be blaming the Edge report:
But a Piper Jaffrey analyst doesn't believe the rumor makes a lick of business sense:
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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Stock is down today and analysts seem to be blaming the Edge report:
But a Piper Jaffrey analyst doesn't believe the rumor makes a lick of business sense:
LyleLanley
Banned
Of course they're in a strong negotiating position. EA/Activision could decide to not release Madden and Call of Duty on whichever console decides to allow second hand sales.
Ace Harding
Member
Wasn't there a similar rumor about Orbis?
This isn't a surprise. They see what Steam and other online PC game "retailers" are doing and are copying it.
Can someone explain to me why this is different from a PC?
Is it just the "always online" piece? Because yeah that shit sucks.
This isn't a surprise. They see what Steam and other online PC game "retailers" are doing and are copying it.
Can someone explain to me why this is different from a PC?
Is it just the "always online" piece? Because yeah that shit sucks.
:lol
Article is bullshit. No way does MS, or Sony, try to kill the second had game market, at least not next gen. And always needing to be online? :lol Talk about wanting the console market to crash again.
Nah. I'm not buying this 'news' at all.
You mean because GAF prefers Sony?
Article is bullshit. No way does MS, or Sony, try to kill the second had game market, at least not next gen. And always needing to be online? :lol Talk about wanting the console market to crash again.
Nah. I'm not buying this 'news' at all.
You mean because GAF prefers Sony?
Well, shit.
What's the likelihood of stocks rebounding when rumours end up being false for similar situations/companies, out of curiosity?
michaelius
Banned
Sony has Japan and they would be dead there if they pulled such system.
If this comes to pass, don't expect the PC to get away scot free. If the publishers have their entire value chain locked tight, then they may choose to align pricing which may mean console games getting price reductions over time, but might also mean PC prices go up.
No, there was discovery of a patent filing. And both MS and Sony patent a loooot of stuff that they never use.
This rumor about Durango came [via Edge] from developers and people who knows what is happening in MS offices.
JimmyRustler
Member
Apparently because Steam offers so many deals or something....
nhlducks35
Member
I don't think Apple stocks recovered after the rumor that they were lowering production for iPhone 5 was proven false.
Ok then, PS4 will be region locked and Europe/US will use this system.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Always online?
No used games?
MS shot themselves hard in the foot this time.
No used games?
MS shot themselves hard in the foot this time.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Exactly. The only way I would EVER support this is if I could get games at vastly reduced prices.
Not bothered by the no used games thing so as much as the always online bit. That is rather fucked up and will impact my game time one way or another.
If Sony does it too, bleh. I'll still end up buying one for their first party, but it'll likely be after some big price drops. The only way this would work is if the prices suddenly became comparable to Steam and gog, with regular steam-like sales. But that isn't happening either.
If Sony does it too, bleh. I'll still end up buying one for their first party, but it'll likely be after some big price drops. The only way this would work is if the prices suddenly became comparable to Steam and gog, with regular steam-like sales. But that isn't happening either.
dragonbane
Member
Hopefully we will learn more about Sony's approach to used games on the PS4 at the Playstation Meeting.
3rdamention
Member
Maybe Sony will not allow used games as well. However, they could offer some pretty awesome benefits/perks using Gakai. Maybe you get all the streaming Gakai games you want with a Plus Sub.
Maybe both will not allow second hand sales, but Gakai could be a big perk to help deflate the sting???????
Maybe both will not allow second hand sales, but Gakai could be a big perk to help deflate the sting???????
Voice of Reason
Banned
Like many said, without the actual cheap prices and offline play.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
The games had better be DAMN good. If it's more of the same with prettier graphics... I'd rather press the reset button and go back to cartridges, everything that got us to this point wasn't worth it.
Neither Sony or MS would deny this right now.. they have not even announced their consoles yet. It would be some generic .. we do not comment on rumors BS that all corporations have ready to go if needed. This could be 1000% not true at all and MS will not directly address the issue as it relates to their next console which is vaporware media relations wise till they announce it.
Wow, just wow. This wouldn't be much of a problem for me since I have a stable internet connection and almost always buy games new, but still.
And I want to bring this up since no one else seemed to have mentioned it: Imagine the ramifications of this 20 years from now. I doubt Microsoft will still keep those activation servers up. And even if those servers are still up, good luck finding a brand new copy of Halo 5 without paying buckloads of money! If this happens, they've just rendered thousands of games unplayable for future generations.
God I hope this rumor is bullshit...
And I want to bring this up since no one else seemed to have mentioned it: Imagine the ramifications of this 20 years from now. I doubt Microsoft will still keep those activation servers up. And even if those servers are still up, good luck finding a brand new copy of Halo 5 without paying buckloads of money! If this happens, they've just rendered thousands of games unplayable for future generations.
God I hope this rumor is bullshit...
Duxxy3
Member
If microsoft confirms that second hand sales will still be possible?
Yeah, gamestop's stock would go back up.
bone_and_sinew
breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
Wow. Its one thing for gaming journalism to fling shit at fanbases but resulting in fucking with people's money? A new low.
Are you implying that all PC games require an active Internet connection to be played?
I H8 Memes
Member
ColdBlooder
Banned
Nintendos online content tied to the console.
Microsoft: "We can top that!"
Microsofts retail content tied to the console.
WOW if that happenes...
(Yeah not entirely the same but you get the idea)
Microsoft: "We can top that!"
Microsofts retail content tied to the console.
WOW if that happenes...
(Yeah not entirely the same but you get the idea)
Aye those are fair points to make. For me after my 4th 360 died I went PC only and lost all interest in consoles.
This "news" sucks for people who choose to stick with console arms race.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
I don't believe it, completely attacking their loyal customers? I know that's where Microsoft and developers want the industry to go, but it would be too sudden and there would be backlash. It's like that boiling a frog analogy. Place the frog in cold water and if the heat is gradually increased he won't notice he is being boiled alive. So they have to take their time, to really fuck us over.
The people who would be cool with this happening make me sick though.
If this true, I have enough 360, Wii, WiiU, DS, 3DS backlog games to play and I need to grab a PS3 at some point.
The people who would be cool with this happening make me sick though.
If this true, I have enough 360, Wii, WiiU, DS, 3DS backlog games to play and I need to grab a PS3 at some point.
Tyrone_Biggums
Banned
You obviously don't mean that in the literal sense, right?
xaosslug
Member
i'm thinking that if MS does go this route solo, tho ONLY reason is a 'promise' of timed exclusivity from 3rd parties... pubs would never completely abandon the other console(s), but I could see 'em delaying releases.
MisterHero
Super Member
I don't like used games but that doesn't mean they should be blocked.
Yeah I know Nintendo would rather make money on VC and remakes. They aren't excluding reasonable compatability, and they can still profit from Wii and DS games.
Point is, BC was a step UP from their previous consoles. Nintendo doesn't do everything right, but games you've bought can outlive your old hardware.
scar tissue
Banned
Buy now, yay or nay?
If this turns out to be wrong, gamestop shares are bound to go up again. If it's true, gamestop is fucked.
I always thought Nintendo had Japan, but I hope you're right. It would suck for both to have this system in place.
android.cndy
Banned
yes but if you think about it, pc can be more profitable. developers take 70 percent with steam, not 12 bucks as they do with retail in consoles.
So by selling 3 million copies of skyrim at 60, or 10 million of diablo at 60, hell even 2 million of witcher 2 at 30, 70 percent is still more than 12 bucks, thus they make more money that what people think PC gaming does.
It can be very lucrative, maybe no in numbers of consoles, but def lucrative for what it has to offer with the advantage of lifetime sales.
Nah, that makes too much sense.
Can someone explain to me the difference between Steam and not being able to play used games? Assuming the next Xbox has a similarly robust distribution system I don't spot a huge difference, you buy a game and it's being associated with your account and you can no longer share it. I admit, if the PS4 doesn't have this measure, it might be a clear cut which system I buy, but I'm just interested if there's a big argument that doesn't also apply to Steam.
Ace Harding
Member
MS PR better be formulating something. This article is apparently being read by like everyone (major news sites are picking it up) and if these rumors keep spinning they'll be on their heels in defensive mode while people are already making decisions about which console to buy. We know how people can get clingy to a product before its release (or announcement).
And its not just the used game thing - the article lists several advantages in the Sony column.
If this is BS they need to get that out ASAP, either with a "leak" or the big presser to announce the console.
That's no fun. Knee-jerk reactions keep things interesting around here!
dreamer3kx
Member
Didn't Sony say they wont be doing anything like this not too long ago, I swore I read that.
Interrobang
Member
Gemüsepizza;47384606 said:
The only thing consoles had going for it was the fact that it didn't have all the boundaries PC gaming had. We didn't need CD keys, we could bring our games to our friends' houses and we could pick up an older, out of print title used and for cheaper that we otherwise would've never played.
Now, there is literally no reason to buy a console over a PC.
This is the truth. We're going to hit another gaming crash.