Eh, alright, this is a fair point. Why do you keep calling him carrot though?
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Election 2016 [Mafia] | Everlasting GOPstoppers
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Eh, alright, this is a fair point. Why do you keep calling him carrot though?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I started calling him carrot-cake in the first Target game.
CURRENT VOTES
Palmer_v1 (0)
Sorian
CzarTim (1)
Palmer_v1
*Splinter
Palmer_v1
Kalor
cabot (4)
Palmer_v1
kingkitty
Hyperactivity
Burbeting
nin1000
CzarTim
Kingkitty
kingkitty (0)
cabot
SalvaPot (2)
Sorian
cabot
Kalor
Hyperactivity (1)
Kalor
Sorian
Kalor (2)
Fireblend
El Topo
Never Forever
Palmer_v1
LaunchpadMcQ (1)
CzarTim
*Splinter
Fireblend (0)
Hyperactivity
Sorian (2)
nin1000
LaunchpadMcQ
SalvaPot
Kingkitty
bananaspaceprincess (0)
Sorian
El Topo (0)
cabot
cabot
Burbeting (0)
cabot
Sorian
nin1000 (2)
Hyperactivity
Never Forever
Never Forever (0)
*Splinter
Palmer_v1 (0)
CzarTim (1)
Palmer_v1
cabot (4)
Burbeting
nin1000
CzarTim
Kingkitty
kingkitty (0)
SalvaPot (2)
cabot
Kalor
Hyperactivity (1)
Sorian
Kalor (2)
Fireblend
El Topo
LaunchpadMcQ (1)
*Splinter
Fireblend (0)
Sorian (2)
LaunchpadMcQ
SalvaPot
bananaspaceprincess (0)
El Topo (0)
Burbeting (0)
nin1000 (2)
Hyperactivity
Never Forever
Never Forever (0)
So ok, fair, he is sitting at 4, I did think he he had dropped to 3 or 2.
I do votes by hand btw so I'm always open to error, let me know if you see something wrong, it was not done intentionally if there was an error.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
wtf what's the deal with Kalor having so many votes?
I've looked through his posts and found nothing.
I've looked through his posts and found nothing.
The number of votes match up with what I got. I didn't do unvotes so probably for the best that we have your post to go off for now.
Never Forever
Member
my vote's on nin now
I didn't actually realise that cab was at 4
I didn't actually realise that cab was at 4
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
one of the people voting for Carrot isn't even in the game anymore :/
*cough* *cough* Sorry, I have a bad habit of adding the new vote and not taking out the old vote.
Tim looks set to be replaced when Ouro gets home so I figured any votes on and for Tim would remain and just apply to the new person.
I'm still waiting on the follow up here.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ya'll just gotta give me time. I'm a busy man.
I'm about to sign off but I'd like to summarize my thoughts with the reads list situation:
- My intention was to give an initial read on a few players that I could have. Those have already changed since, but it was there.
- I did a full list because I didn't want to assert any preference to a set of players yet, it was still in the fluff phase, and I wanted to give everyone a fair shake which leads onto
- I mainly did it to move past the fluff, which was excessive at an advancing stage of the day phase. Burb & I discussing it was essentially the first real talking point, and it has slowly shifted to a normal mafia game now. That was my intention.
- I will post an updated read at some point tomorrow, and yes, due to all your wonderful feedback, I will not include guff reads that have no useful information in them.
- Launch has got a good eye, I am more eager. I can confirm I am not a Miller in this game. If that's not a good reason to celebrate, then spin my nipple nuts and send me to Alaska.
nighty night.
- My intention was to give an initial read on a few players that I could have. Those have already changed since, but it was there.
- I did a full list because I didn't want to assert any preference to a set of players yet, it was still in the fluff phase, and I wanted to give everyone a fair shake which leads onto
- I mainly did it to move past the fluff, which was excessive at an advancing stage of the day phase. Burb & I discussing it was essentially the first real talking point, and it has slowly shifted to a normal mafia game now. That was my intention.
- I will post an updated read at some point tomorrow, and yes, due to all your wonderful feedback, I will not include guff reads that have no useful information in them.
- Launch has got a good eye, I am more eager. I can confirm I am not a Miller in this game. If that's not a good reason to celebrate, then spin my nipple nuts and send me to Alaska.
nighty night.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Ok, I'm done with everything relevant for the day, now to dedicate the next couple of hours to mafia
Think I'll start with this
UNVOTE
Pure flavor vote
Of the players so far, it seems only Cabot has any sorts of leads attached. I'll agree with Burbeting here, scum could definitely try to hide behind being the first to make reads. By helping initiate the flavor to actually doing something phase, he can look like's contributing, when really, he didn't say anything at all.
By beginning to post reads, he makes it look like he's trying to figure out what's going on and being serious, while using flavor to fill in the blanks about what he "doesn't know". Problem is, there are 16 blanks.
Idk, I'm not to good at making reads based off of behavior, typically think of it through a perspective of what happens in this situation and what the possible results are
VOTE: Cabot
I'm very ready to listen to something that makes more sense from someone else, but I'll leave my vote on cabot for now
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Disclaimer: I will probably be defending Cabot a lot going forward. I strongly believe he has a strong PR. Lynching him today is not a great idea.
You know who else benefits from posting constant reads? High-value targets. When people see they have an important role in mafia, there are numerous ways they could act. However, if they know that if things turn on them and they're forced to reveal their roles, then they'll likely be getting killed in that following night phase unless someone protects them. Carrot is posting a lot of reads, both out of eagerness to get the game going (because coming off a Miller role is absolute shite), and because he needs to record his thoughts in case things take a turn for the worst. Even if early on, he may not have much to say about the players, those thoughts are still on paper.
Now, I'm not saying Carrot is necessarily a strong PR; far from it, I'm very suspicious of everyone so early on in the game. But he should be a person we keep an eye on and see how he acts going forward, not take out of the picture immediately. Acting like tryhard Day 1 is hardly an excuse to lynch anyone.
You know who else benefits from posting constant reads? High-value targets. When people see they have an important role in mafia, there are numerous ways they could act. However, if they know that if things turn on them and they're forced to reveal their roles, then they'll likely be getting killed in that following night phase unless someone protects them. Carrot is posting a lot of reads, both out of eagerness to get the game going (because coming off a Miller role is absolute shite), and because he needs to record his thoughts in case things take a turn for the worst. Even if early on, he may not have much to say about the players, those thoughts are still on paper.
Now, I'm not saying Carrot is necessarily a strong PR; far from it, I'm very suspicious of everyone so early on in the game. But he should be a person we keep an eye on and see how he acts going forward, not take out of the picture immediately. Acting like tryhard Day 1 is hardly an excuse to lynch anyone.
I haven't decided who I really want to vote for yet, but I've decided it won't be Cabot today. Whether his reads were fake-helpful or not he's given us a lot of opportunity to look at his playstyle, and if he keeps that up we'll likely get more substantive (is that a word?) ideas on him sooner or later.
I'd rather remove a low-contributor. I don't want to get weeks into this game and still have someone that we have no ideas on except "well (s)he sure doesn't post much".
I'd rather remove a low-contributor. I don't want to get weeks into this game and still have someone that we have no ideas on except "well (s)he sure doesn't post much".
Well, my vote was only to get you to throw out real information and while I don't agree with your read at all (I actually appreciate anyone who gets the discussion away from fluff and flavor and towards real mafia talk) you did offer up something and day 1 still has a bit to go so I'll move on to the last inactive person (ignoring Tim's vacated role).
VOTE: SalvaPot
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'd rather do this too, because you're less likely to screw it up, but what's nice is that so far there hasn't really been any glaring no contributors. Everyone's been relatively active at the very least
And launchpad, I'm not so sure on that point. While I agree that people do play more actively and excited when they have a PR, PRs also are generally more careful on earlier days.
I don't think either argument is off, because there are multiple ways to play everything, and trying to ascribe only one behavior to a role is the precise way someone is town can get blindsided, but I find it more likely that a PR would be very careful that first day at the very least.
Never Forever
Member
christ, if you think somebody has a power role you keep it under your hat for now
you can argue in somebody's favour just by saying you think they're Town, without potentially outing them
you can argue in somebody's favour just by saying you think they're Town, without potentially outing them
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm not entirely sure I agree with my read either. In fact, I'm pretty sure I don't agree, but the first day you have to find at least one lead, because Mafia relies on using information from previous days to make reads and figure out what's going on in the present
As for you parenthesized point, I agree there too, if that's what cabot was doing. Problem is that he didn't post anything. I'm fine with posting reads and guesses and definitely for moving the conversation out of fluff and flavor, but cabot gave 16 blanks. If he had a couple reads with the joke flavor guess to fill in the blanks, I wouldn't be voting for him, but he just gave 16 joke flavor guesses. That's just throwing a read or list out there so that you can be amongst the first to do so, and looking active while not saying anything
Never Forever
Member
anyway, I agree that we should probably remove a low contributor, which is why my vote sticks for now
obviously 'contribution' = / = postcount
obviously 'contribution' = / = postcount
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Low-contributors are a huge negative for us, but Salva will likely turn up. Salva is actually one of the best players to have around. I've seen him cut through bullshit like it's butter. I have loads of respect for him as a player and he most likely won't leave us hanging here. Give him a little time.
That's just one perspective I've provided. Conversely, he could be ordinary. I was very eager my first game of mafia, and I was taking the game very seriously. I would post reads periodically. I was ordinary, yet I was doing that because that was basically all I had to provide for town. It's just a matter of Carrot's perspective and you can't just boil it down to "he must be trying to look town, therefore he's mafia". He could, shockingly enough, just be town.
Read the above.
Moreover, just me pointing out that one player may or may not have a PR would be incredibly near-sighted of the mafia, but I'll keep the details of why to myself so I don't give them too many ideas.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
My point with saying Carrot may be a PR was mainly that there is more than one way to spin behavior in this game.
I know this is a bit of a lazy way to go about things, but, starting from the bottom:
BSP - I'm not going to be super-mean to BSP just yet.
Say something though!
Tim -
SalvaPot - Hardly posted and only fluff, Sorian just voted here though so I'll let him handle it.
Burbeting - Does Burbeting really only have 9 posts?? He's made one of the biggest impressions already
nin1000 - hmm, yeah I don't like this one's start. I think it's all fluff but it's also designed to drag attention onto him. I don't know why he'd do that but I certainly don't feel compelled to trust him at the moment.
VOTE: nin1000
Any non-flavour thoughts on the game so far, nin?
BSP - I'm not going to be super-mean to BSP just yet.
I still feel at least partially responsible for pushing AHumanBecoming out of the last game by being a dick for no reason.
Tim -
SalvaPot - Hardly posted and only fluff, Sorian just voted here though so I'll let him handle it.
Burbeting - Does Burbeting really only have 9 posts?? He's made one of the biggest impressions already
nin1000 - hmm, yeah I don't like this one's start. I think it's all fluff but it's also designed to drag attention onto him. I don't know why he'd do that but I certainly don't feel compelled to trust him at the moment.
VOTE: nin1000
Any non-flavour thoughts on the game so far, nin?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I know this is a bit of a lazy way to go about things, but, starting from the bottom:
BSP - I'm not going to be super-mean to BSP just yet.Say something though!I still feel at least partially responsible for pushing AHumanBecoming out of the last game by being a dick for no reason.
Tim -
SalvaPot - Hardly posted and only fluff, Sorian just voted here though so I'll let him handle it.
Burbeting - Does Burbeting really only have 9 posts?? He's made one of the biggest impressions already
nin1000 - hmm, yeah I don't like this one's start. I think it's all fluff but it's also designed to drag attention onto him. I don't know why he'd do that but I certainly don't feel compelled to trust him at the moment.
VOTE: nin1000
Any non-flavour thoughts on the game so far, nin?
lol nin
Good luck with that one m8
That's true, he certainly wasn't buying any of my shit last game. I think he had a slow D1 there as well.
I´m back!
I have to say everyone is full of shit in this game, I have yet to see an opinion that matters.
I would agree that Sorian´s and Cabot´s idea of voting the inactive is a good one right now, I feel we tend to fight among the ones that want the attention, and usually the ones that want the attention are town, because if they are scum they tend to slip.
Anyway, I don´t have a good read yet and everyone is going in circles with the same arguments, so far the game has been this:
Granted, on day 1 is going to be hard to get much info. Best we can do is grind a player until he either softclaims (SOFT, PLEASE) his usefulness to town, or get a random lynch based on, honestly, arbitrary reads that you all know means nothing at all.
Now I´ll be paying attention to what you all have to say, I may not catch you today, but I will eventually.
I have to say everyone is full of shit in this game, I have yet to see an opinion that matters.
I would agree that Sorian´s and Cabot´s idea of voting the inactive is a good one right now, I feel we tend to fight among the ones that want the attention, and usually the ones that want the attention are town, because if they are scum they tend to slip.
Anyway, I don´t have a good read yet and everyone is going in circles with the same arguments, so far the game has been this:
Granted, on day 1 is going to be hard to get much info. Best we can do is grind a player until he either softclaims (SOFT, PLEASE) his usefulness to town, or get a random lynch based on, honestly, arbitrary reads that you all know means nothing at all.
Now I´ll be paying attention to what you all have to say, I may not catch you today, but I will eventually.
I'm missing a joke here. The only nin I know is from game 1, and he was super quiet there because he was a doctor in hiding (I think?)
Hyperactivity
Banned
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Near the end of the game in AC, he had a temporary moment of insanity where he started self-voting and jumping all over the place.
"Temporary moment" may be underselling it.
Eh, I don't like going up to bat for other people on day 1 so I'm going to stop after this one but I can't say hey are 16 blanks here, whether you agree with the reads or not, the bolded all seem to be real reads.
Is any of it really substantial? Nah, but it's about the most I probably could have done at that time too (but then I was't the one that tried to make a read list then).
Also I think read lists are stupid, but that is just me. I´ll rather have a list of real reads (like, you have reads on, say, 3 players) and the others just admit you have nothing yet, no one is going to call you out on that, I think. Also it makes it easier to spot when you are covering for someone if you are scum, so I guess that is why huge lists are popular *shrugs*
I agree with you that full lists are stupid but I can see why it's easy to think that people you don't place on your list are people you are trying to protect or purposely ignore or something, so that's why I do full lists, so that people don't read into something that isn't actually there. That being said, you are here now and talking. Let's cut back to an early vote of mine:
VOTE: bananaspaceprincess
I believe you are on euro time so I know I might not get an answer right away but I'd like to avoid anyone slinking into the background for right now.
CornBurrito
Member
Hello everyone. I've got a bit of catching up to do. 9 pages worth it looks like (100pp master race). I'm gonna spend some of the weekend going through as much as possible. Not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere but I'm a dude so use male pronouns.
I am on Pacific Time, I am mostly busy in the mornings, tho.
Just a heads up, this game has 48/24 hour phases. So you've got about...20 hours for this day.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Buddy, I'm about to shatter your world...
100pp master race says how many pages us 50pp plebs see. Also, as Ouro said, the first day ends in about 20 hours. You may also have a vote active if Ouro didn't reset you.
Yeah, I know, that's why I waited before voting on you, figured I'd get someone who was available earlier out of the way first (Hyper).
Yeah, I've removed CzarTim's vote from my sheet.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'm back.
CornBurrito
Member
Oh jeez, when the fuck did I accidentally switch back to 50ppp.... how did I not notice that.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
dat pleb feel
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