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Elite Dangerous: Horizons |OT| Just scratching the surface
- Thread starter Anton Sugar
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Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Lol at this rate you might be right.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Feels good. About to get access to my final Power Play weapon (Enrorcers, for all the small hard points on my small ships) and will need to roll maybe 10 new weapons. After that I was definitely going to be looking for something to do. Beta comes at a perfect time for me.
You monkeys should add CMDR Heavenly Hammer if you haven't already.
CMDR BurnyBurns here.
Anton Sugar
Member
CMDR Anton Sugar
o7
Now just put that beta access on sale, FD...
o7
Now just put that beta access on sale, FD...
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Whoa, we got a flurry of Frontier responses today to the beige planet issue in OA's thread, and they are actually promising!!!
So, no fixes for 2.3, but possibly in the near future, as they do agree that it is an issue needing fixing. Nice, very nice.
So, no fixes for 2.3, but possibly in the near future, as they do agree that it is an issue needing fixing. Nice, very nice.
I didn't even know there were arguments against these things...the hell...
Realism immersion is a disease. And in many cases such as these, not even realistic.
'Arguments' against those made Frontier cave after they were announced as instant and put timers in instead, before even letting them go into Beta the way they were announced. Frontier even made a poll for Elite players with some 70% or so of the participating people voting for transfer timers.
As I said, zero sum bullshit. If you would like a nose full of what types of people we're dealing with, have a fleeting look at this sterling thread, with ample explanation why everybody criticizing the game is just an insta-gratification type and disingenuous to the devs (funny, had the same line of glossing over issues from some SC crowd a while ago). Spruced up with a good portion of "everybody but me is an idiot" and "back in the day everything was better and meaningful" from certain posters. 100 points if you can spot the posters I'm talking about.
MiniBossBattle
Member
Any ideas on a fun ship for me and two other people can crew together? I was going to re-equip the trade anaconda to one with a fighter bay and a bunch of 2-3 level turrets of beams and multicannons. I think I need to earn another 40 million before it will be possible though.
I'm one of the people who voted for the transfer times, mostly because i felt like it would kill the ship variety that people use even more since now they could just spawn in the dedicated fighting ship to the place of their choosing, even if it would be for a fee. Plus the car rental thing wouldn't really make sense anymore since after the engineers update we have some high tech modifications on our ships that wouldn't be available on those ships, or at least that's how i understood the engineers, shit that nobody else but them can make.
And i'm completely okay with those new camera modes and turret-o-visions they have coming.
Anton Sugar
Member
I'd probably be 100% okay with ship transfer times if you could make remote requests. "I'm going to travel the 200ly to this combat CG using my Asp, but I want my Vulture to be waiting there for me by the time I arrive."
Currently, you have to arrive, then request, and fill up that dead time waiting with ???
Currently, you have to arrive, then request, and fill up that dead time waiting with ???
Moot against the fact that a destroyed ship will gain back its engineered modifications: regardless of the distance and for free.
This would make the system a lot less bothersome, to be certain.
Imho it does the exact opposite, it make having a multipurpose ship the best answer over multiple Specialized ships since you won't have to deal with the delay. More than that, it also prevent/discourage me from playing different profession ( trader/bounty hunter/explorer ) since you usually play each aspect of the game in different solar system, so the added delay encourage you to go to one place and stay there grinding the same thing over and over again.
That's also yet another thing which make playing with your friends far less interesting.
Only that people would just use their quickest ship to get around and spawn their combat ship, should've brought home another message: Travel in combat ships is shit. Why would anybody not travel in their combat ship if it wasn't, while they're out for combat?
If it wasn't, players wouldn't give a damn about changing ships only for travel. As such this has the opposite effect. People still use whatever ship they damn well like when it's suited best for the task. Only they get thoroughly fucked in terms of how many loading screens they need to watch. Or outright transfer the ship and kill the time in between. It's not that changing the outfitting of the ship for convenient travel or outright changing to a travel ship is even an option, when you want to do combat at the end.
As such, the bullshit ship diversification Frontier Game Design™ has come up claims another victim that could've been a good game design decision instead. It even achieves the complete offposite of what you hoped it would: It kills ship diversification for mid range travel for anybody without a high tolerance for travel time. Because there are ships that get the job done best and they're not combat ships. If those ships are equipped as such, jump range is again gimped.
Sometimes it needs taking the bull by the horns instead of trying to take agency away from the players. If players don't want to travel in combat ships, it's not a sign to force them to, it's a bloody sign that travelling in combat ships is shit. The appropriate question then that needs to be asked is why?
The whole bloody underlying issue, is that some inane genius at Frontier game design thought that err... balancing overworld travel by associating how many bloody loading screens players have to watch with ship type. If there ever was a completely asinine notion in games design, this is it. Any game designer who respects their player's time, would've made actual player progression and skill the sole factor when they already were faced with the issue, that travel means watching a bunch of loading screens.
I'm still hoping they realize this at some point down the line and do a basic rebalance, but with their inability to even spruce up basic exploration mechanics (dance, little space doughnut of waiting, dance!) that hope is slim. Not to mention the immersion idiote brigade crying foul whenever something deverges from the game as it is currently.
That would alleviate the issue, but still make it entirely useless for something it was initially proposed for by Frontier: You're in a system and spontaneously find a juicy mission or CZ you want to take up. Instant transfer would've made sure you got to exchange time played the way you want for the credits the transfer costs you (e.g. by taking that mission or going into the CZ). A mark of good design: The player gets to chose whichever way they get to spend the time to achieve the ingame credits required for transfers. Without having to twiddle your thumbs at the bloody timer or outright say "fuck it" and log out, to later come back or not. And without having to travel there and back again yourself manually, because apparently by large, the player base agrees that travelling in Elite is so un-fun, that ship transfer was necessary. Seeing as it was a much requested feature.
Now, there's zero skill involved and agency is taken from the player. Use an sub-optimal ship or get fucked with loading screens. As I said, tradeoff my ass. Alternative: Spend credits to be able to have the game do something for you, but you're not allowed to do what you want at once. Kill time or log out.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
The easiest solution I can think of would be to make fuel scoops way more powerful and make them a utility slot instead of class based. An A rated scoop always fills you up in 30 seconds and an E rated takes 3 minutes.
If you're gonna make me jump 3x as much to get to my location in my combat ship then at least don't make me sit and wait every 3 jumps.
Traveling should feel longer in a combat ship than one built specifically for long distance travel, but getting around the bubble should feel easy for anyone with an A rated ship.
Getting ships like a vulture or FDL engineered has always felt like a total hassle because of traveling to the locations.
If you're gonna make me jump 3x as much to get to my location in my combat ship then at least don't make me sit and wait every 3 jumps.
Traveling should feel longer in a combat ship than one built specifically for long distance travel, but getting around the bubble should feel easy for anyone with an A rated ship.
Getting ships like a vulture or FDL engineered has always felt like a total hassle because of traveling to the locations.
No it shouldn't. The mere notion that there are long range travel ships and those that aren't for overworld MMO movement is idiotic. That's the asinine notion Frontier have promoted by their game design and people fail to critically question it. If your typical MMO warrior class takes twice as long to get anywhere in the overworld as anybody else and they have to travel frequently to get to their actual game content, that's asinine. There's no justification, other than a big middle finger to respecting player time.
As long as travel is a trivialized part of the game, and watching loading screens in Elite and driving around glowing orbs is (it pales in depth of the mechanic even compared to the somewhat often cited Euro Truck simulator), all ships need about the same jump range. Shoving down loading screens the players' throat because of ship choice is unacceptable. Alternatively: overworld travel time needs to be equalized betwen classes by whatever other means they can come up with.
While there are no other sensible means of equlizing that time however, same max jump range is the easiest working solution. What if that exposes the lack of distinction of exploration ships? It's not a combat ship player's problem that exploration base mechanics have all the depth of staring at a space doughnut and can be done with any old ship, so long as you can stomach the loading screens and refuel times. Trying to justify exploration ship distinction by jump ranges while they lack any other defining trades is a classical sunken cost fallacy. We've already thrown game design effort in the gutter, let's waste some more that could potentially be used for sensible game design.
Edit: As such, shortening refuel times is not the solution, but only a slight alleviation of the symptoms. It's again just dancing around the issue: Why do combat player need more loading screen shoved down their throat?
I think that the true problem with those fighters is the bad & boring mission "design" they have, it's a sad thing when the tutorial you have is the best set of missions in the game. If frontier doesn't fuck this up, i think the decision they did is going to be better one long term even if we still have to travel large distances to get anywhere worthwhile.
And about the whole gameover/rebuy screen, i know this is arbitrary as hell but i wouldn't really count that to be "in-universe" even though you need to pay to get back to a station, since whenever someone would bring up the whole realism thing you could always just ask about what happens to your pilot and how does he get back to the last station he visited.
And yes, i have seen people try to explain it by mini-fsd's attached to the escape pod that can jump thousands of light years at a time, which is complete bullshit.
Off the topic, is there a way to find volcanism? Is it randomly created or are the places which yield those outcrops consistently?
This is how i hoped it would work when they implemented the feature.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Yeah I guess you're right actually, I never thought about it from the perspective that building a long range ship is actually just a huge crutch to actually developing exploration ships into something meaningful.
While it can be satisfying to put together a stupid shuttle together (like a jump range optimized hauler than can do like 35ly before engineers for about 1mil) it doesn't change that traveling is a part of the game that is frustratingly time consuming and an unnecessary barrier to the actual activity you want to do.
While it can be satisfying to put together a stupid shuttle together (like a jump range optimized hauler than can do like 35ly before engineers for about 1mil) it doesn't change that traveling is a part of the game that is frustratingly time consuming and an unnecessary barrier to the actual activity you want to do.
Intentional since the availability of activities is pretty small.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Sweet, Eurogamer wrote a good article about the beige issue with Elite post 2.2, and in it they mentioned Obsidian Ants efforts, the evidence from Erimus, and they even mentioned my efforts to bring the issue to the attention of both the community and Frontier!!!!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-23-elite-dangerous-players-noticed-the-galaxy-turned-beige
Maybe with some media pressure we can get Frontier to prioritize this higher than they normally would!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-23-elite-dangerous-players-noticed-the-galaxy-turned-beige
Maybe with some media pressure we can get Frontier to prioritize this higher than they normally would!
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Sweet, Eurogamer wrote a good article about the beige issue with Elite post 2.2, and in it they mentioned Obsidian Ants efforts, the evidence from Erimus, and they even mentioned my efforts to bring the issue to the attention of both the community and Frontier!!!!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-02-23-elite-dangerous-players-noticed-the-galaxy-turned-beige
Maybe with some media pressure we can get Frontier to prioritize this higher than they normally would!
Mengy is now famous, he's going to start charging for ship scans.
Chained missions... did I miss something?
Curious about that too. But the page or public access to it was removed. Seems it was made public too early.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Sort of I guess! This is my thread they are referencing:
The Search for Color
Over 53 HMC worlds so far and Ive only found one with even a little degree of non-beige coloring, LOL!!
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Yeah, had a suspicion they were coming in hot, when the week passed and they didn't announce a release. More time to grind for a Cutter...
On that note, is there anything as effective as Quince for Fed rank grind? Quince seems like the perfect storm for Imp rank grind. Millions of credits for easily stacked Imp scan missions and dozens of Imp donation missions to spend the credits on.
Edit: The Imperial Courier is another one in the long line of completely nonsensical Elite cockpits:
Seems designed to comfortably stand with lots of headroom. But the pilot's distance to the HUD is outright silly. About 1m from where you'd expect any display units to be placed in real life crafts. The distance from the HUD to the actual nose is nothing short of a joke. No need for any cockpit "glass" or whatever material to be there and for the cockpit to extend as far forward. Not to mention it's impractical ingame. The nose blocks the pilot's sight, as it raises up in the middle of your view for no good reason.
On that note, is there anything as effective as Quince for Fed rank grind? Quince seems like the perfect storm for Imp rank grind. Millions of credits for easily stacked Imp scan missions and dozens of Imp donation missions to spend the credits on.
Edit: The Imperial Courier is another one in the long line of completely nonsensical Elite cockpits:
Seems designed to comfortably stand with lots of headroom. But the pilot's distance to the HUD is outright silly. About 1m from where you'd expect any display units to be placed in real life crafts. The distance from the HUD to the actual nose is nothing short of a joke. No need for any cockpit "glass" or whatever material to be there and for the cockpit to extend as far forward. Not to mention it's impractical ingame. The nose blocks the pilot's sight, as it raises up in the middle of your view for no good reason.
Trying to get to one of the community goals. It is (was) 30 jumps away! I got halfway there and then had to save to bed. Something about finding escape pods. There is a combat one there too.
I ended up parking in a system with 4 suns and one of the blue things that sends your ship mental. I touched down in one of the huge space stations that was orbiting an earthlike.
Anyway, I think I need to get my head around trading still. I'm going off to this place many jumps away and I could be loading up my Cobra with stuff. However, I can never figure out what on earth I can take FROM my place TO there. Back in the olden days, I used to go from Agricultural to Scientific. Take crops and stuff from one to the other, bring back computers and whatnot on the return. I'm just not sure where to be looking to find the pertinent information on the maps.
Anyway, I picked up 2 gimballed multi-cannons to plonk in my empty slots. I note that turrets cost a shed load more than gimballed, is this because they are automated?
Next steps I would assume are to plonk in more power and stuff.
I ended up parking in a system with 4 suns and one of the blue things that sends your ship mental. I touched down in one of the huge space stations that was orbiting an earthlike.
Anyway, I think I need to get my head around trading still. I'm going off to this place many jumps away and I could be loading up my Cobra with stuff. However, I can never figure out what on earth I can take FROM my place TO there. Back in the olden days, I used to go from Agricultural to Scientific. Take crops and stuff from one to the other, bring back computers and whatnot on the return. I'm just not sure where to be looking to find the pertinent information on the maps.
Anyway, I picked up 2 gimballed multi-cannons to plonk in my empty slots. I note that turrets cost a shed load more than gimballed, is this because they are automated?
Next steps I would assume are to plonk in more power and stuff.
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
So what system does Elite GAF base itself out of? Tempted to come visit.
Here you go!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1105433
Gaffers, do we have a group or are you playing in Open/Mobius?
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
Thanks, I knew I'd seen it before somewhere (had even posted in that thread)
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Ok, took a break from the Imp going to go to the CG. Is it some circle of hell to try to capture containers with the Python? I line up the pod and can't seem to actually capture the canister.
How fast are you going? 39 units with the cargo scoop deployed was the ceiling for me during the rescue CG in my FDL and AspX.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
I was going slow enough that target tracker was showing speed was fine. After it seemingly phased through after tracking well I tried to go as slow as possible with directional thrusters. Still the canister got really close on the tracker and just passed by. It was maddening.
Happened to me in my FDL. Try and line up the canister as close to the top of the box as possible, use throttle to maintain target speed instead of thrusters as it's less jumpy.
Sounds like it rolled across your hull (should see the canister hp % decrease), or something bumped into it and sent it moving. Moving canisters you have to lead the target or reduce your speed.
Zepp Twofist
Member
Wow. Seems like they are adding Trappist-1 to the beta that starts Monday.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
Not even adding just renaming.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/331843-Trappist-1-Discovery-s-Impact-on-Elite-Dangerous
Apparently stellar forge procedurally generated something that was almost exactly the same in almost the exact same spot.
Zepp Twofist
Member
As I understood it they edited it to match the data. Apart from the fact that the discoveries are already claimed, it's basically the same thing. In any case I thought it was really cool of them to react to this so quickly.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
So I think they tweaked the name, removed some moons and edited the planets to match what nasa found.
But the system itself is basically the same location with 7 earth sized worlds.
But the system itself is basically the same location with 7 earth sized worlds.
I saw this last night, ever since i played in one of those gundam pods i have been wanting to have a setup like that at home. Shame that the the setup like that costs around 2000-3000€ because you need to have 2 projectors. After playing in VR last night i started having doubts about the space legs, at least on Diamondback explorer the monitors and items are placed in pretty awkward positions in terms of height and then there are random steps on the edges which i have no idea what is the purpose of those, the actual cockpit looks way too big but the area you could walk seems to be pretty small. That ship at least would need a lot of work to make the cockpit good to navigate.
Gundam pod for anybody wondering what that was. Honestly that setup was comparable to vr in terms of immersion since there were no outside distractions thanks to the little closed space you were sitting in plus speakers and rumble stuff placed all around you so that you really didn't hear what was going on outside unless some people were having a shouting match.
Gundam pod for anybody wondering what that was. Honestly that setup was comparable to vr in terms of immersion since there were no outside distractions thanks to the little closed space you were sitting in plus speakers and rumble stuff placed all around you so that you really didn't hear what was going on outside unless some people were having a shouting match.
You guys see ObsidianAnt's video on Hellion? Space survival game with newtonian physics. Kerbal orbital mechanics as well. Looks kinda rad but super rough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddfMdMBTC7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddfMdMBTC7Q
Unity engine, PVP-only survival game. Going to avoid it like the plague.
Haha. Probably a smart move.
There are so many rad/promising/cool looking games on Steam, that I just forget about because they end up being shit or are never released.
Of course this game could be different, but it's hard to get exited anymore.