Anton Sugar
Member
Perfect, thanks!
Yup, adds surface landing to X1! Stoked.
Don't know that they've set a price on X1 actually...
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Elite Dangerous: Horizons |OT| Just scratching the surface
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Perfect, thanks!
Yup, adds surface landing to X1! Stoked.
Don't know that they've set a price on X1 actually...
Fantastic news! I'm all over this. Hopefully price won't be too crazy.
Felix Lighter
Member
I'm watching the live stream right now. The tone of this one is weird. Chat must have been brutal.
Yes, includes landings and engineers. They mentioned a price drop of Horizons on stream but couldn't confirm the exact price.
I was using all 1000 of my alt youtube accounts.
Felix Lighter
Member
Really tore into them, huh?
Anton Sugar
Member
So after all the beta patches, what's the final word on Special Effects?
I was really excited about them at first but wish there was a way to actually choose. The regenerative shield beam for example... If you were trying for a support "build" you'd just have to hope you roll it, right?
Bought.
I was really excited about them at first but wish there was a way to actually choose. The regenerative shield beam for example... If you were trying for a support "build" you'd just have to hope you roll it, right?
Bought.
Felix Lighter
Member
Well you are in luck. In a patch soon after 2.1 release they will be adding a feature that will let you choose the effect at the cost of "calling in favors" with engineers that will have the side effect of negatively impacting your rep with that engineer.
LowerLevel
Member
Yup!
The sad thing here is that they apparently needed that feedback in the first place. Do they ever play these designs through in their heads before they get the ok and implement them? What made them think people would like being presented with entirely random effects when there is no convenient way to store the random results for later and each rerolling of an effect requires substantial grind?
I suspect that time and resources are a factor heavily playing into this, but it's still baffling to me how attached they're to time waster and/or RNG designs. Take the suggestion I made on the last page regarding spawn tables in RES as example: Implementing that would be additional work compared to what we have now. Not exactly years, but it might take a couple of person weeks compared to what we have now, which they might not have had. They'd have to define and balance spawn tables, possibly create assets/decals to make homogenous and recognizable "WANTED" groups (pirate factions?) and implement the logic determining what actually spawns in a RES. In comparison, just "hard-coding" a numer of spawn tables and a RNG to determine which table is used in every instance of a RES is much more straight forward and simple than what I have in mind. But then they go for a RNG based mechanic that decides between actually playing the way you like or wasting your time with worthless spawns. They could've just let different spawn tables out. Likewise, their time based random USS generation for missions is probably a lot more simple to implement than the system they're introducing with 2.1/1.6. The new system places the mission USS as specific locations in a system, allows to scan for them and generally takes more variables for USS generation into account (traffic lines etc.). That shows to me that they do improve these mechanics once they get around to it.
But then there are mechanics like the donation grind. I understand that they want to have just any placeholder system in place to rank up in the Federation/Empire before they can implement their more "career"-oriented approach they've been mentioning. Fine. Did it at any point occur to them however, that just giving ordinary non-donation missions worthwhile faction experience payoffs might be a more sensible intermediate solution than making the one mission type most effective at ranking up, which literally just requires you to click through menus for hours on end?
There's a thread on the official forums about rating your overall opinion on 2.1 so I'll post what I wrote there. I don't want to break character here but there is some positivity. Sorry.
DrBo42 said:
Felix Lighter
Member
I saw that. Ha, whatever, I guess. I'm glad they changed their stance but it's funny that they are acting as if it wasn't communicated in no uncertain terms that the goals applied galaxy wide yesterday.
How will planetary landing work on the xbox? I play on PC and have ~120fps in space, but once I hit a planet I'm down to like ~45fps.
I've not played the current beta, so any improvements in that regard I missed of course.
If they have not made any changes to the way planets work, this will be slideshow on the xbox, right?
I've not played the current beta, so any improvements in that regard I missed of course.
If they have not made any changes to the way planets work, this will be slideshow on the xbox, right?
It wouldn't be FD without a few circus acts now and then.
How will planetary landing work on the xbox? I play on PC and have ~120fps in space, but once I hit a planet I'm down to like ~45fps.
I've not played the current beta, so any improvements in that regard I missed of course.
If they have not made any changes to the way planets work, this will be slideshow on the xbox, right?
Performance improvements in beta on surfaces are pretty substantial. Can't speak for XB1 or how that will perform in Horizons but PC is pretty good in 2.1. Probably why they were waiting for 2.1 to move it to Xbox.
Sounds good, atm I can't play the game in VR, if I want to go to a planet; makes me sick.
$30 on xb1 for horizons seems like a good price. I'm on board at that price.
Questions for wingmen. How do missions work when you are in a wing? Does the leader pick one and everyone gets credit for it? Got 3 buddies into a full wing last night it was cool seeing everyone, but it was a little cumbersome. Is there a way to set a group waypoint? If one of us get interdicted how can the others help? Is there a FAQ or video for this stuff. I'm sure these are simple questions for the bulk of you guys.
Questions for wingmen. How do missions work when you are in a wing? Does the leader pick one and everyone gets credit for it? Got 3 buddies into a full wing last night it was cool seeing everyone, but it was a little cumbersome. Is there a way to set a group waypoint? If one of us get interdicted how can the others help? Is there a FAQ or video for this stuff. I'm sure these are simple questions for the bulk of you guys.
$30 on xb1 for horizons seems like a good price. I'm on board at that price.
Questions for wingmen. How do missions work when you are in a wing? Does the leader pick one and everyone gets credit for it? Got 3 buddies into a full wing last night it was cool seeing everyone, but it was a little cumbersome. Is there a way to set a group waypoint? If one of us get interdicted how can the others help? Is there a FAQ or video for this stuff. I'm sure these are simple questions for the bulk of you guys.
This should help: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Wings
Read Wingman Nav-Lock, also read about Wingman Beacon Signal.
I got bored fairly quickly with ED on the xbox one (just under 30hrs), there just wasn't enough variety and it all felt very samey, missions were very uninspired and just ended up shuttling cargo backwards and forwards or just milling around nav beacons etc.
Question, does Horizons add enough to alleviate that boredom?
Question, does Horizons add enough to alleviate that boredom?
Nope!
Damn :-(
With Horizons you get planetary landings that have some Points of Interest on it and some bases/installations but none of that gameplay is really that interesting IMO. Other than that you have resource collection on the surface for synthesis and now with 2.1 materials for Engineer upgrades. This doesn't really add to the fun factor but it adds to more time sinks. You'll get more hours out of Horizons, yes but I can't say that you'll get an interesting experience gameplay wise.
We're very much still in the framework phase of Elite. Content will come at some point.
Thanks for that, appreciate it, probably wait for a sale then, like I did with the base game then.
The core of ED is great, but for me it just doesn't have a satisfying enough gameplay loop.
Felix Lighter
Member
There is additional variety with planetary landings and things are better with 2.1, more fleshed out interactions with factions and the new engineer NPCs, new resources, aside from credits, to drive you, expanded build variety with mods, however, I believe that you'll eventually run into the same barrier with Horizons. Elite certainly isn't going to grab everyone for hundreds of hours because ultimately, you will find yourself grinding one activity or another if your looking to progress in any efficient way and not everyone can look past that.
Anton Sugar
Member
Excellent, thanks!
How will planetary landing work on the xbox? I play on PC and have ~120fps in space, but once I hit a planet I'm down to like ~45fps.
I've not played the current beta, so any improvements in that regard I missed of course.
If they have not made any changes to the way planets work, this will be slideshow on the xbox, right?
Many players have noted substantial (15-30) fps gains in beta, particularly on surfaces...which is pretty great, considering the detail they have added.
I am really curious how it plays and looks on X1.
Not much new in the newsletter that hasn't been announced this week. Release info, etc.
However, they did announce some new pricing on PC:
Anton Sugar
Member
DP sorry
ColonelSkills
Member
I have been having some trouble finding info. How much can an engineer boost power plant output by?
29%
Edit: And my X52 Pro stick's twist/rudder just failed. God fucking damn it. Why is the failure rate in these so damn high? Garbage.
Has there been any indication as to how long it's going to take to grind reputation to unlock access to level 5 gear? And I guess that goes for materials to make them as well. Thinking of getting an engineer to work on an exploration Anaconda because I'd only need to upgrade three parts, I think.
You know what else is coming? Everything on their "list".
You know what else is coming? Everything on their "list".
Anton Sugar
Member
With all the adjustments made since Mayhem, not sure. Seems faster than it was prior.
There is a redit post that notes a Sandro post from a few years ago, saying space legs will come after season 2. Could have changed if course since then.
Haha. Well hopefully it's Thargoids or The Missing. Although I still maintain that the storyline of lost expedition ships etc can't be fully realized without the ability to explore derelict ships.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Go CH. I hear Thrustmasters are fairly reliable too.
I'm fully expecting the "Galnet articles > CGs > Galnet articles explaining CGs > wait for content update to fill in gaps" loop to introduce us to whatever it is they have planned, it's fairly predictable at this point.
As long as materials only take up inventory space and not physical cargo space I don't think I'll mind the grind too much, otherwise getting physical materials with a trade or exploration ship is going to be...interesting, to say the least. Now I just have to hope I don't need too many rolls to get the goods, I'm definitely staying away from weapon mods until something more deterministic is implemented for the special effects.
As much as I like being negative the update looks okay so far.
Caesar III
Member
Mine freaked yesterday too. The joystick pitched down all the time all of a sudden. Really bad in FA off lol. Plugged the cable out and in again and it was ok again. I hope this was a one time thing. Had the Fly 9 before. This broke as well.
CH do not have tilt-turning though
that said, @DrBo: are you using joy15 at all (the second "button" when pressing fire fully)?
Yesterday it got me thinking about switching pinky for switching with fire for switching. That way I could use two phases of switching all the buttons with ease.
need to try this today.I think it just binds all to the same function with both levels of trigger fire. Haven't really looked into it to be honest.Mine freaked yesterday too. The joystick pitched down all the time all of a sudden. Really bad in FA off lol. Plugged the cable out and in again and it was ok again. I hope this was a one time thing. Had the Fly 9 before. This broke as well.
CH do not have tilt-turning though
that said, @DrBo: are you using joy15 at all (the second "button" when pressing fire fully)?
Yesterday it got me thinking about switching pinky for switching with fire for switching. That way I could use two phases of switching all the buttons with ease.
Yeah, something needs to change. I might see what the reviews are for the X-56 when that comes out but I expect more of the same. Just going with a replacement stick via ebay for the meantime. I'm really just asking to be fucked over at this point.
CH products are built like they are for heavy industrial usage, which makes sense since they DO make industrial sticks and shit. Can't recommend enough.
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Anyways I never really did understand how all this power play stuff works. So I have some questions: I pledged myself to Zachary Hudson as he has some nice bounty turn-in rewards once I'm rank 2 with him.
I'm just not sure how I get there. What I can figure out is that hes very combat orientated, so I thought I just fly into space that he wants/control and shoot down wanted NPCs/CMDRs, but that doesn't seem to change a thing. What am I missing?
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Anyways I never really did understand how all this power play stuff works. So I have some questions: I pledged myself to Zachary Hudson as he has some nice bounty turn-in rewards once I'm rank 2 with him.
I'm just not sure how I get there. What I can figure out is that hes very combat orientated, so I thought I just fly into space that he wants/control and shoot down wanted NPCs/CMDRs, but that doesn't seem to change a thing. What am I missing?
frontieruk
Member
I thought it was pilots of opposing factions, even if they aren't wanted...
Yeah I'll have to see what CH offers. I tend to like the Saitek sticks purely aesthetically. Knobs and levers and buttons everywhere.
I can't 100% remember how if works but killing them in their turf I believe makes you wanted in that system (I'm probably wrong on this). As for gaining merits you just need to follow whatever the current objective are. That might be heading to X system and killing Y ships for that power, bringing material to Z system etc. Your targets won't be wanted unless they're a player.
Alright, will test that, thanks.
Felix Lighter
Member
If you like the look of Saitek sticks you may be disappointed with the utilitarian look of the CH Products stuff but goddamn you will immediately notice how much more solid they are built. The mechanical parts are much bigger and made of a very tough heavy plastic. If Saitek was able to get a good handle on build quality their sticks would be great. Accurate, lots of inputs comfortable but I couldn't stay with them after the stick died twice in a year. I will say, they were very cooperative with the RMAs though.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Yep, this. I went from a Saitek to a full CH setup with pedals and it completely transformed how I play all of my flight sim games, including Elite. CH is just so much superior, and while it may not look flashy or fancy, Holy God do they just work beautifully. The buttons are all tactile so you can recognize them by touch, the controls are all so positive and accurate so you can make fine flight adjustments with ease, that analog hat stick is so damn handy and useful, I can't rave enough about my CH HOTAS.
I should have bought the damn thing frackin years ago.....
Sitting here with an exploded saitek stick trying to find a way to repair it makes me regret some brand choices.
Teknopathetic
Member
Gonna have to also jump in and recommend CH stuff. Yes, they haven't updated the look since the 90s. But, some people are still using their sticks from the 90s.
I'd love for CH to just redesign their sticks for a slightly less utilitarian look, if only so they can get the recognition (and support from developers) they deserve. Like every other sim game has built-in default Thrustmaster and Saitek button map profiles, but they completely ignore CH.
I'd love for CH to just redesign their sticks for a slightly less utilitarian look, if only so they can get the recognition (and support from developers) they deserve. Like every other sim game has built-in default Thrustmaster and Saitek button map profiles, but they completely ignore CH.
100% agree.
Thank
Dreams-Visions
Member
Agreed. I did some mods to that specific profile and added commands for rudder pedals to handle Yaw. It's simply the best.
CH, folks. Accept no substitutes if affordable.
ColonelSkills
Member
Jesus balogna fuck, PRISMATICS FOR ALL.
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It's funny; I've had my X-52 for who knows how long, and it was completely fine for years. I considered myself lucky that I wasn't having what issues everyone else did. That Warthog sale comes up, I buy one as an upgrade, and the very next day, the thing decides to start acting up. Now when it rests at neutral, it's generating a slight downward pitch.
Oh well, gonna get that all sorted in a few days, at least.
Couple that with the heavy shield boosters adding a max of 200% each.