AlphaTwo00
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Yup. With the Tesla store here now in Toronto, I've seen way too many now on a daily basis to call it a fluke.
For reference, it's -30 out right now. I'm sure they're not all dying on the street right now.
Elon Musk Says Tesla Model 3 Will Cost $35,000 Before Incentives
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For reference, it's -30 out right now. I'm sure they're not all dying on the street right now.
Charging takes forever for one, and for two 320km city driving is fine I guess but country millage it needs to be at least 1000km.
titiklabingapat
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The supercharger stations only takes about 30 minutes to fill up to 80% of the battery, and Tesla already built many of these around for a cross country trip.
I saw one the other day in real life and it looks adorable. Perfectly fine inner city car.
Iirc the model 3 is supposed to be a sedan, so$35k before incentives is a good price. Very competitive.
I want to move to full electric in due time, so whenever I plan a road trip, I also check if and how it could be done with a full electric car. I must say that the possibilities are getting better every year in Europe. Spain is feasible with a model s, without taking a massive detour to hit the power chargers along the way.
Admiral Woofington
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That price is very much within my range of my next vehicle. I was thinking of getting a used nice sports-like car such as a Porsche within the next 2-3 years but if a Tesla comes out and it's nice looking for around the same price I was willing to shell out for my next car (around 35K), then sign me up.
Whether the car is sexy looking will be the deciding factor for many here. It doesn't have to look like the roadster or w.e, but at least don't make it look like a boring sedan or an ugly SUV. I wish we knew how it looked like, at the very least in concept art.
edit: found some mock-ups that were sent to Huffington Post. If the car ends up looking similar or better to this, it's a guaranteed sale from me
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/tesla-model-3_n_5591671.html
Whether the car is sexy looking will be the deciding factor for many here. It doesn't have to look like the roadster or w.e, but at least don't make it look like a boring sedan or an ugly SUV. I wish we knew how it looked like, at the very least in concept art.
edit: found some mock-ups that were sent to Huffington Post. If the car ends up looking similar or better to this, it's a guaranteed sale from me
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/tesla-model-3_n_5591671.html
I think it's pretty nice in certain colours. It's no i8 obviously, just saw one of those in the flesh going around town the other day and it did look mightily imoressive.
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Hatchbacks disgust meI'm definitely interested in this, as long as it doesn't end up looking like the Chevy Bolt.
It's kinda futuristic enough to look better than other hatchbacks
DesertEater
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Screw the haters, i think it actually looks good. It looks futuristic which is appropriate for an electric car.
I drive a Passat station wagon and my range is usually 1100 to 1200 km between refills. If I do mostly city driving the range is of course shorter, maybe 800 km or so.
You get 700 miles a tank? What size does the car have, though? 20-25 gallons?
18.5. So he's averaging 38 mpg on a model that is rated for 26-28.
This particular hatchback is appalling. They should fire whoever was responsible for approving its design.
Tesla Roadster - sexy
Tesla Model S - beautiful
Tesla Model X - wtf?
2 out of 3 aint bad. but then again that's not the finished product :
Targeting the Ford Focus type market and at that price they'll get a bunch of it. Looks nice.
You are forgetting the fact that charging an electric costs 20-30 minutes on a Quick Charger on a Tesla for 80% charge. That gives you around 400km. So driving 1000km in an EV will take you at least 20 minutes longer than driving combustion, assuming the trip can follow the same route considering Quick Chargers are not available on every highway (at least, not in Europe).
Even with my poor mileage combustion engine IX35 (I get 560km on a full tank), I'll concede that I'll also have to pull over for gas, but refueling costs mere minutes, plus gasstations are readily available along just about every highway, so you can pick the fastest route to your destination.
Definitely, I don't understand why they couldn't go for a Sedan look. Or at the very least, not have such an unorthodox look. Most of the people I talked to about the car tend to attack the design before anything else.
I saw one of those BMW's in person the other day. Easily makes my list of the worst looking vehicles I've ever seen.
SteveMeister
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It's good that Musk announced the target price without federal incentives. Given delays in Model X production (we haven't even seen the production version yet), and that we haven't seen even a prototype or concept for Model III, and that Model III will rely on the Gigafactory to provide batteries inexpensive enough to meet the price goals, and finally given that they're still tooling up their Fremont plant for X and increased S production, I think it's highly unlikely the car will be available until 2018 (calendar year, not model year) at the earliest.
In that time, Tesla may have sold enough cars cumulatively to reduce or even eliminate the federal tax credit, and that's assuming it hasn't expired or been eliminated altogether.
I think Chevy has a better chance of getting Bolt out first.
In that time, Tesla may have sold enough cars cumulatively to reduce or even eliminate the federal tax credit, and that's assuming it hasn't expired or been eliminated altogether.
I think Chevy has a better chance of getting Bolt out first.
Are you really going to sweat an extra hour for a 1000km journey?
A lot of the superchargers are located where you'd want to stop anyway; at shopping centers and complexes.
And how often are you going to make a 1000km journey anyway? For most people, it should be rare enough that it shouldn't factor into a utility calculation of general usage; where the Tesla wins out handily against most vehicles.
ComputerMKII
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Who are Tesla's main competitors?
Marky Mark
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Completely ignored but lol
I wasn't the one wanting to know which supercars can make 1000km on a single tank of gas.
Everyone, really. Well, everyone who sells cars in the same market they do, at least.
They are trying to change the entire car industry and the world, not just carve out a little niche for themselves.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Well, I'm learning to drive this year and hopefully getting a job too, so by the time this is released I hope it can be mine.
ScepticMatt
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Likely no US tax credits for the Model 3.
Federal tax credits are currently limited to 200,000 cars per manufacturer, which will likely be reached before the first Model 3 are sold (if not shortly after).
Georgias tax credits are limited to 2,000 cars per year.
Really wish pure electric cars were viable in colder climates
Cold is actually very good for battery longevity, as long as it's dry to avoid corrosion (as the graph above shows).
I know some RC helicopters flyers who keep their Li-Po batteries refrigerated in an airtight container.
You do need to keep them reasonably warm during operation to get enough performance.
Which reduces Model S winter range by ~5-10% if you preheat the car (ICE cars are less efficient as well).
it's not finished, and it already looks different. Straighter roofline, thinner doors.Tesla Model X - wtf?
2 out of 3 aint bad. but then again that's not the finished product :\
(From reservation holder november e-mail)
ComputerMKII
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Somehow I don't think all car manufacturers sell electric cars.
Interesting that so many are willing to throw money at a car manufacturer that is so unproven. I won't consider a Tesla until they have at least 10 years of history to look at before throwing down 30k-40k for one of their vehicles. They'll also have to do better than a 200 mile range too. With AC or heating on, I can see that realistically falling somewhere between 150-170 miles on a full charge, if my Ford Energi Fusion is any indication.
I think you missed the gist of my post - which is that they aren't trying to compete in a niche(electric cars), they are trying to convert the population to the idea of electric cars. People who might be looking at a BMW 5 series might also check out a Model S too, for example. Just cuz a car isn't electric doesn't mean it isn't competing with it.
No one asked which supercars can do 1000km.
Going back to the original original person quoted, you don't need 1000km range on one charge/tank for the car to be practical.
The range of the Tesla provides driving coverage for the vast majority of every day situations, and with the supercharger network (which admittedly is absent in Australia), it's fairly practical for long range driving as well; as long as you're not trying to set cross country records when driving.
Well I have the Blue Motion Passat and live in Norway so the engine only has 105 BHP. Not sure what mpg it's rated for.
ScepticMatt
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For Model S/X/3:
Audi A7/Q7/A4
BMW 7/X5/3
Mercedes S/GLS/C
or something like that.
Tesla Model X - wtf?
2 out of 3 aint bad. but then again that's not the finished product :\
The Model X is not a sport car and is not designed to be that, people in their twenties who care more about performance and to show off hardly will understand how beautiful it really is.
trudderham
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In person I think it's a loverly looking car, but it's the interior that I really like:
The back of the dash is made from compressed grass, the eucalyptus wood panels are untreated and have open pores, and the leather sections are treated with sustainable oil. The two floating LED screens are also very cool.
Anyway, the Tesla Model 3 is (on paper) my perfect car, so I can't wait to see more.
Agreed. Like I said earlier, I'm currently tracking the Tesla Superchargers being placed in Europe. I go on familyvacations, usually 1100/1200 km away from home, twice a year, and the availability of chargers at hotels is abysmal.
For everyday use, commuting, visiting family, going to parks and zoos, etc, EVs in general and Tesla in particular are a viable alternative to combustion engines right now. My neighbors got an i3 BMW as an extra car so the wife can go grocery shopping, take the kids to school, etc. He's got a Model S85 for his commute and trips. He's very happy with it, only got into one situation where he forgot to check the remaining range and had to stay at a hotel for the night. It's a tough lesson, but easily learned nonetheless.
I'm going Plugin Hybrid this march, and when my lease is up, I'm gonna see if the Model X is a feasable car to get, financially.
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Randomizer123454444
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I'm very much interested in buying this, but as an European I am very worried about the availability of charging stations. I'm afraid it will be many years before I can take a car trip to rural parts of this country and not have to plan extensively so that I will not run out of charge. Hopefully, with rising popularity of electric cars, it'll be less than 10 years before stations are widely enough available. Until then I would be stuck to driving between large cities.
Tesla site says 295 miles range for Model S. 25% off for random inefficiencies from my driving style and driving conditions, and you still get a 355km range. I could live with that, as long as the charger network is widely spread enough. More would always be appreciated, though.
Tesla site says 295 miles range for Model S. 25% off for random inefficiencies from my driving style and driving conditions, and you still get a 355km range. I could live with that, as long as the charger network is widely spread enough. More would always be appreciated, though.
WordAssassin
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So how much does a "tank of gas" cost on an electric car? If I park at the mall and plug my car in for a full charge while I shop, what's the price compared to a tank of gas? If I charge at home is my electric bill gonna skyrocket?
I guess for reference we can use my current car, which has (I think) a 12-gallon tank that costs about $25 to fill.
Please be gentle as I have no idea how the whole electric engine deal works, though I am very intrigued by it. The only window into this world I have is my friend's Prius, which as I understand it is gas and electric and the battery like.. recharges itself via the breaks when driving or some crazy future technology.
I guess for reference we can use my current car, which has (I think) a 12-gallon tank that costs about $25 to fill.
Please be gentle as I have no idea how the whole electric engine deal works, though I am very intrigued by it. The only window into this world I have is my friend's Prius, which as I understand it is gas and electric and the battery like.. recharges itself via the breaks when driving or some crazy future technology.
Randomizer123454444
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Tesla has a calculator:
http://www.teslamotors.com/charging#/calculator
*edit* It says for Model S but I figure it'll be roughly the same for this new model.
Naked Snake
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FWIW charging at Tesla supercharger stations is free for life.
WordAssassin
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holy crap, thanks. So it looks like, for a trip from LA to Santa Barbara to visit my folks, I could charge it overnight and I could drive there and back for less than $10. That's crazy!
So a trip to San Fransisco would cost less than $25. Holy shit
Oh awesome :O
Worst case scenario, you can always rent a car for the duration of the trips; although the feasibility depends on duration and cost. Plug-in hybrid sounds like the correct solution for you at this particular point in time though... and maybe in 5 years when you upgrade again, you'll see a preponderance of charging stations around Europe.
Nope. I like the Bolt as well
Its what now in Toronto?! I'm working out of Northern Alberta and its not even -20 right now(we're getting a big warm spell, for comparison, it was recording over -30 last week and -40+ around the same date 2 years ago).
Is that a typo on your part?
Is there a way to locate the supercharger station nearest you?
theepicoftyler
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Tesla Model X - wtf?
2 out of 3 aint bad. but then again that's not the finished product :\
I just sent this link about the Model 3 to my girlfriend (who has kids) and she replied back with "I want the SUV like one with 4-wheel drive".
There's a market.
BertramCooper
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Hoping this will be my next car. It should come out almost exactly when I expect to trade in my current one.
Price sounds totally reasonable.
Price sounds totally reasonable.
DoktorEvil
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Love the price. I'd trade in my car to gladly lease one, but what about charging infrastructure?
I'd be all over a Model 3 at that price, unfortunately there's likely zero chance that there will ever be anywhere for me to charge the car while at work (and my commute is about 73 miles each way) so I'm not sure it would work for me. I likely need something more like a Volt that still has an ICE just for that reason (or stick to Hybrid - love my Prius!)
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