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Elon Musk terminates his Twitter deal
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Dr. Claus
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We can debate… Ina?
But yes, I agree entirely. Zero reason to view the world in black and white. Things have never fit neatly into such categories. Now if only tribalistic warriors like him could actually learn to do that. Instead he just repeats the same sad, ignorant practices that lead to widespread bigotry in the first place.
MastaKiiLA
Member
Social consensus declared homosexuality as deviant, but times changed. Things are trending in the direction of being more progressive and inclusive, right? So I don't know why the past is relevant when we're trending away from that. Are we just supposed to address topics in their ideal states, or are we actually addressing them in the context of the world that we live in? I don't think your list of Isms means anything. If you think the inclusive push is anywhere near any of that, then we are so far apart in opinions that we could never find common ground, and you can just go ahead and put me on ignore.
MastaKiiLA
Member
Context matters. It helps to avoid having to spell everything out all the time. If you actually need me to explain the context, just ask, but the sentences that preceded it should explain where they're similar.
NickFire
Member
This is completely untrue IMO. In fact, there is a huge moderated platform where you can express ignorance without fear of retribution. It's called Twitter (as long as you spew the right kind of ignorance of course).
PaddyOCanager
Member
I read your whole post. A 44 year old should know better.
DeepEnigma
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strange headache
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The past is relevant because it clearly shows that social norms and majority consensus do not constitute truth and justice and are not always a guarantee for progress.
Fanatism and moral panic can easily take hold of a society, especially in polarizing times such as these. The majority of people are uneducated and simply dumb as f*ck.
The ideologies and cultural revolutions I mentioned were once considered "progressive" and "forward thinking", but only ended up in misery.
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AmuroChan
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Only he can tell you that. I think he does want to buy Twitter, but at a discount. Him being in position to tank the stock is his leverage to force the Twitter board to settle.
Konnor
Member
You need to touch grass, the standards imposed by a few blue-haired San Francisco nutjobs on the internet are not the standards of real society. The societal norms haven't shifted the way you think they have outside a few coastal cities full of pretentious, privileged fucks.
IntentionalPun
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Musk wanting to buy Twitter completely backfired on him because of the Tesla stockholder revolt over it which happened to coincide w/ a general stock market crash, doubling down on how bad the drop was.
So he wanted out.
It's pretty simple. He also took a big reputation hit outside of his fanboy-sphere because he looked like such a flaying moron. And most people aren't that political, so even if they aren't die-hard Dems or something his antics getting political didn't help his rep.
This isn't some Zen 4D chess.. his bread and butter is that Tesla stock price. He doesn't give 2 shits about Twitter bots, it's all an obvious ploy to try go finagle out of a deal he signed. He's lawyered his way out of worse, so he probably believes he can do it.
Of course just my opinion, but I think a lot of people here are clouded by some weird Musk fanboyism.
So he wanted out.
It's pretty simple. He also took a big reputation hit outside of his fanboy-sphere because he looked like such a flaying moron. And most people aren't that political, so even if they aren't die-hard Dems or something his antics getting political didn't help his rep.
This isn't some Zen 4D chess.. his bread and butter is that Tesla stock price. He doesn't give 2 shits about Twitter bots, it's all an obvious ploy to try go finagle out of a deal he signed. He's lawyered his way out of worse, so he probably believes he can do it.
Of course just my opinion, but I think a lot of people here are clouded by some weird Musk fanboyism.
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Punished Miku
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I don't think Musk's filing is correct, or compelling as full justification for pulling out of the deal. Proving the existence of bots isn't enough to qualify as an MAE, even if Musk's claims are all proven to be correct (they won't be).
MastaKiiLA
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You have to be a pretty ripe asshole to get banned on Twitter, both left and right. So I don't give a second thought to the people who get banned there. As I said before, the boundaries for acceptable behavior on Twitter are already so far outside what would be considered acceptable in regular conversation, that anyone who violates and gets banned probably had it coming; left, right, or middle.
When I even hint at how I feel about some of the opinions on here, I get a warning. I was told that I was too mean. But this sort of low effort shitposting seems to be okay. But this is an example of me not adapting to the norms of this forum. I adjust my posting style to fit in with this community, and I don't see any problem with that. If I up and get banned, I'd deserve it, because I've had enough warning since I joined, that I understand not to be rude. What's considered rude here also differs from other platforms, like Reddit. I could get after it on Reddit, if I choose to, but generally stick to subs where I don't encounter people that hold certain views. I would say this forum leans slightly conservative, and there's nothing wrong with that. I choose to read this forum, so I choose to join a community that doesn't necessarily align with some of my world views.
I see this as being no different from Twitter or regular conversations. The community set standards that the platform enforces in order to keep the community happy.
Truth, justice, fanaticism, and moral panic are kinda strong words for social media moderation, isn't it? Unless your world view/self identity is tied closely to the kind of content that ends up falling under the ban/cancel hammer on Twitter, then I don't know if it takes on that level of seriousness. It's like before, you hit me with inquisition, stalinism, nazism, geocentrism and phrenology, which are fucking wild compared to some tween saying they want to be called a certain pronoun. An oversimplification? Yes, but let's dial the stakes back to what they really are, getting banned from a platform where you can just register with a new email.
IntentionalPun
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People in this thread don't seem to understand that Musk bought twitter.
He did not ask for info before buying Twitter... he asked for it, after.. and after Tesla stock had tanked.
Pretty obvious 2 + 2 here for those not blinded by some weird fanboyism.
He did not ask for info before buying Twitter... he asked for it, after.. and after Tesla stock had tanked.
Pretty obvious 2 + 2 here for those not blinded by some weird fanboyism.
Punished Miku
Banned
"Just kidding, take backsies."
No worries if your whole company's value and all investors have been burned.
NickFire
Member
Did I miss an article or two? I thought he put a deposit down and they were working through the due diligence period prior to closing.
IntentionalPun
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You missed the entire plot.
He signed on the dotted line to buy Twitter, just as say MS "bought" Activision.
There is no "period" for which he can exit gracefully, including with some $1 billion fee. There is no "due diligence" after buying.. that's what you do before buying.
PaddyOCanager
Member
No.
In real life you (should) have to cooperate with people in the community who are "rude" and "mean" in order to push society forward. Social media has convinced everyone you don't have to do this anymore. Again, as a 44 year old who remembers life before the internet (like me) you should know this.
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NickFire
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There will never be a graceful exist with a deposit like that held in escrow.
But that said, I see no evidence to support your position that he actually bought it, and the reporting I am seeing still references the billion dollar break up fee.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Twitter has been thoroughly embarrassed by Musk. What a thrashing, lol.
IntentionalPun
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There is no "Escrow"... you are just reading the situation wrong here.
How about google "Elon Musk buys Twitter"
Knowing the past gives data to know the conditions for social consensus on issues and their result within context.
No one want to make mistakes about moral panic and think something like transsexuals are taking over the world and obessess about it to the point that cases in other countries matter to them.
The modern practice of democracy is rather recent as far as Socrates or Bruno are concerned. Educational and, from that, social standards vary globally and even then vary within countries down to school boards in democratic socieites. Whatever is within their purview. There would be a general trend from a learning and scientifically inclined society not confined by dogma but by discovering reality and adapting to it. The most advanced nations socially in terms of safety and welcome would have some of the most sought after educational institutions. Comenius is well known in my country.
NickFire
Member
I'd much prefer you provide receipts to show he already bought it than ask me to chase my tail.
IntentionalPun
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To the same extent MS "bought" Activision.
The sale isn't final, because of regulators.. but this wasn't in any "due diligence" phase.. that's mis-info. There is no "I can choose to pay $1 billion" situation either. Hence the lawsuits.
Elon Musk Buys Twitter: April 25
Full coverage of Twitter's deal to sell itself to Elon Musk.
With Deal for Twitter, Musk Lands a Prize and Pledges Fewer Limits (Published 2022)
The world’s richest man succeeded in a bid to acquire the influential social networking service, which he has said he wants to take private.
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Elon Musk vs. Twitter: all the news about one of the biggest, messiest tech deals ever
Our recap on all the latest in the Elon Musk-Twitter saga
www.theverge.com
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Yeah, It seemed like it was way past diligence and onto pass the cash/the keys phase.To the same extent MS "bought" Activision.
The sale isn't final, because of regulators.. but this wasn't in any "due diligence" phase.. that's mis-info.
With Deal for Twitter, Musk Lands a Prize and Pledges Fewer Limits (Published 2022)
The world’s richest man succeeded in a bid to acquire the influential social networking service, which he has said he wants to take private.www.nytimes.com
Regulators...
That old article reminded me of when I first read of the $44B offer and was like "Take it!" which was the opposite of my early position. Money talks.
That chunk of change is a changer for the givers and receivers.IF Twitter crashes under him, which some really want to happen and that's why they support the bid, that's going to shatter some financial networks and shake some things up. Provide a boost to others.
Doesn't seem like there is much going on in the way of bots that's news to anyone that's going to change Twitter's value drastically. Which was a point made about the case being in Delaware another article made.
InfiniteCombo
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LMAO, my freaking phone. When I try typing "in a" somehow it autocorrects to "Ina." 99% of the time I catch it, but in this case I didn'tWe can debate… Ina?
I don't even know who "Ina" is...I'd say moderation is the main issue with Twitter, with the TOS being applied very unfairly a cross various accounts, being based on one political status. Some have been banned for simply stating a woman is an adult human female, yet Twitter sees this as inciting violence.
Another issue is things being taken out of context and people losing their jobs over what they posted 10 years ago, or without the proper context. I'd say that's a userbase issue rather than with Twitter itself. Your gonna get that with any social network.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
This isn’t a norm though. The debate in question you’re talking about is something very few people actually believe to be true. They just go along with it publicly out of fear. Societal norms happen because they’re things people actually believe. You can’t have a productive society where norms are forced or perceived out of fear. That’s a society that is built on instability.
And frankly, in this debate it’s not something backed up by facts, data, science, or anything else. When discourse doesn’t allow facts to be presented, then you’re headed for mass delusion, and throughout history mass delusion has only ever ended in disaster.
Dr. Claus
Banned
And you still wonder why I and others are calling you a close minded, tribalistic warrior? We literally gave you a list of folks who were wrongly banned/removed for “wrongthink” and you still talk out your arse and dismiss what we actively showed you living in your own black and white world.
Dr. Claus
Banned
LMAO, my freaking phone. When I try typing "in a" somehow it autocorrects to "Ina." 99% of the time I catch it, but in this case I didn't
Ina is a Hololive Vtuber who is known for her puns utilizing her name. She is the girl in the gif I linked. Very cute, very adorable. It is INAcceptible that you haven’t watched her yet!
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Meghan Murphy was banned for saying “a man is not a woman”
cormack12
Gold Member
What is her vagINA like?
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Banning people from Twitter for being bigots, harassing people, etc, is not going to lead to events similar to the inquisition, etc. That is absolutely hilarious to the point that I am not sure if you're an elaborate troll. And equating those hateful people to slaves and those who fought for their freedom?
Wow. Poe's Law in action. I am going to have to screenshot your post so others can laugh at it on social media. Unbelievable.
Yea, this conservation has definitely run its course. Lol. Time to put this thread on ignore.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Oh man, the INA train has been started. How many puns can be made?
Dr. Claus
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DeepEnigma
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IntentionalPun
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The Twitter "left vs right" thing is so funny because nobody likes Twitter or thinks it's a platform for "them" as far as politics go.
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InfiniteCombo
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DeepEnigma
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IntentionalPun
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I don't get what's so confusing.. I just think it's funny how both sides seem to hate Twitter.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Yeah I've seen a bunch of different takes on "both sides," but that is the weirdest one yet.
People in this very thread have provided receipts that the Twitter shenanigans aren't "both sides" at all. One side of the spectrum gets disproportionately banned and shut down more than the other.
IntentionalPun
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Literally nothing to do with what I said.
However you feel about how the moderation leans, the left still thinks of Twitter as a shithole.
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It doesn't seem like a binary "side" thing so much as there are a few personalities that get banned. Doesn't sound like the entire side of a political spectrum umbrella is being banned.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Now that's a gumby take.
Says the placard.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Says the vessel.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Says you.
You speak for the entire left? Are you their grand representative?
EDIT: it's also not how I "feel" about the moderation. I have no feelings about it. Empirical data says that the moderation is heavily in one direction.
I'm not sure they are all personalities; those are just the ones we hear about.
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Konnor
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It's as if one side is so unhinged and spoiled that no matter how much social media pander to them they'll always ask for more censorship and pandering
IntentionalPun
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Hey at least you can read!
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