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Ultimately you're the only one that can judge for yourself what articles you feel are credible. A good tactic is to read a few opinions from different perspectives, think about their arguments for yourself and see which sounds better?

Not really necessary, its pretty easy to see what side everybody's on in today's media!

I take it you're not a Musk fan? Not trying to throw shade at you, just that I find it a bit weird to personalize any of this. I mean Elon vs Twitter isn't a battle between good and evil!

Sorry but I don't find a singular named billionaire to be more threatening than a nameless corporate boardroom! Seem about the same to me!

 

[Ownage]

Eh, what investment firms, et al, are household names?

Lehman Bros

 

[Punished Miku]

Not really necessary, its pretty easy to see what side everybody's on in today's media!

I take it you're not a Musk fan? Not trying to throw shade at you, just that I find it a bit weird to personalize any of this. I mean Elon vs Twitter isn't a battle between good and evil!

Sorry but I don't find a singular named billionaire to be more threatening than a nameless corporate boardroom! Seem about the same to me!

I like some stuff he does and hate other stuff he does.

 

[BadBurger]

Little baby's feelings hurt because I didn't agree with their daddy and their echo chamber awwww

Easiest ignore ever - dude provided me an example of a company that went bankrupt like fourteen years ago.

 

[BeardGawd]

Guys as I've stated before his way out of this is the financing.

Look at the contract for yourself. Read their termination letter.

They mention several reasons MAEs was one avenue. But if Twitter cannot provide the "reasonably requested" data that the banks require for him to get financing. He gets to walk away. That is his ace in the hole here that noone is mentioning.

A lot of legal pundents said Depp would lose. Depending on their affliation you can't just take everything they say as what's accurate.

The banks will absolutely be on Musk's side. And I would bet he has already spoken with them before terminating the deal.

His Tweet about securing financing was contingent on the numbers being accurate.

Worst case is he may have to pay the $1 Billion. But he's a stock owner so they can't argue he was trying to act in bad faith because that would hurt his stocks too. The longer this gets dragged out in court Twitter runs the risk of not even getting the breakup fee if it's decided in his favor. Twitter will possibly settle for less.

To follow up on this read the link:

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1418091/000110465922078413/tm2220599d1_ex99-p.htm

Second paragraph states:
"This information is fundamental to Twitter’s business and financial performance and is necessary to consummate the transactions contemplated by the Merger Agreement because it is needed to ensure Twitter’s satisfaction of the conditions to closing, to facilitate Mr. Musk’s financing and financial planning for the transaction, and to engage in transition planning for the business"

They also address the due dilligence that people keep saying he waved:

"Despite public speculation on this point, Mr. Musk did not waive his right to review Twitter’s data and information simply because he chose not to seek this data and information before entering into the Merger Agreement. In fact, he negotiated access and information rights within the Merger Agreement precisely so that he could review data and information that is important to Twitter’s business before financing and completing the transaction."

Read things for yourself people.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Are they supposed to be bad because they're Arab?

It's called, follow the money.

 

[Doczu]

Not sure what you mean? I'm going to be happy regardless of outcome.

Either Twitter stays out of his claws or he is forced to vastly overpay for a service riddled with bots.

I'm laughing either way.

Most likely twitter will stay out of his control, but outing it as a bot ridden service will take it's toll on the share price and it might finally start imploding.
God, please make it true

 

[sonicwebster]

Why are people wanting twitter to "collapse", I like twitter it is great for sharing breaking news, and for me shopping. What is the problem with twitter?

 

[Doczu]

Why are people wanting twitter to "collapse", I like twitter it is great for sharing breaking news, and for me shopping. What is the problem with twitter?

Sure /neomember/, no problem with Twitter at all.

 

[Craig of War]

The guy wanted to flex and affect social media somehow, and then released he was out of his depth, he took on too much.

Yeah all the flexing but when it time to finally pony up he back pedale
That why never trust a Billionaire who spend all day on twitter flexing that a red flag in itself

 

[bender]

Musk is a charlatan and this was the obvious outcome.

 

[akimbo009]

Most likely twitter will stay out of his control, but outing it as a bot ridden service will take it's toll on the share price and it might finally start imploding.
God, please make it true

I want your dellusion in drug form.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Most likely twitter will stay out of his control, but outing it as a bot ridden service will take it's toll on the share price and it might finally start imploding.
God, please make it true

It won't, but its a nice thought I guess.

 

[yazenov]

Why are people wanting twitter to "collapse", I like twitter it is great for sharing breaking news, and for me shopping. What is the problem with twitter?

Because they are censoring/ shadow banning or outright banning people who have a different opinion from theirs. Its basically an Echo chamber now.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Because they are censoring/ shadow banning or outright banning people who have a different opinion from theirs. Its basically an Echo chamber now.

That completely ignores the reality of there being a SHITLOAD of people on Twitter who regularly go against the Left who are active every day without issue. Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Lauren Boebert, Majorie Greene, etc etc. All decidedly far right and continue to post everyday without issue. Same goes for their followers. Just go through the comments for any left leaning news.


The moderation is horrible don't get me wrong, but pretending that literally anyone with an "different opinion" gets banned is just nonsense.

 

[M1chl]

Those who are saying that there is a cancel culture on Twitter, hasn't really spend much time there, insane shit is flying there without single issue. I know that I've joined in a time of war, but damn. It very far from the liberal utopia, people made it out to be.

 

[strange headache]

That completely ignores the reality of there being a SHITLOAD of people on Twitter who regularly go against the Left who are active every day without issue. Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Lauren Boebert, Majorie Greene, etc etc. All decidedly far right and continue to post everyday without issue. Same goes for their followers. Just go through the comments for any left leaning news.


The moderation is horrible don't get me wrong, but pretending that literally anyone with an "different opinion" gets banned is just nonsense.

It Isn’t Your Imagination: Twitter Treats Conservatives More Harshly Than Liberals

Harassment and the advocacy of violence are serious issues, and there is nothing morally objectionable about social media companies.

quillette.com

https://psyarxiv.com/ay9q5

The researchers identified 9,000 politically engaged Twitter users in October 2020, half Democratic and half Republican. They tracked the sample for seven months after the November 2020 election. During that period, Twitter suspended 7.7 percent of the Democrats. In contrast, the platform suspended 35.6 percent of the Republicans — a more-than-fourfold difference.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

It Isn’t Your Imagination: Twitter Treats Conservatives More Harshly Than Liberals

Harassment and the advocacy of violence are serious issues, and there is nothing morally objectionable about social media companies.

quillette.com

https://psyarxiv.com/ay9q5

This assumes that quality of content is the same between the 2 groups. If hate groups tend to flock more to one side than the other, then you're going to have a disproportionate amount of undesirable content from one side than from the other. I think we too easily ignore this fact, and it's really essential for understanding why more people get banned.

 

[strange headache]

This assumes that quality of content is the same between the 2 groups.

Why shouldn't it be?
It is naïve to think that "hate-speech" and "disinformation" labels are not used to also silence the opposition.

Peterson's ban pretty much exemplifies this.

 

[Kraz]

Why are people wanting twitter to "collapse", I like twitter it is great for sharing breaking news, and for me shopping. What is the problem with twitter?

Persecution complex? They think because they're out to get others that everyone else is out to get them? Envy, perhaps. They don't want other people to have things?

 

[It's all in the wrist]

Why are people wanting twitter to "collapse", I like twitter it is great for sharing breaking news, and for me shopping. What is the problem with twitter?

People that just want to watch stuff burn are not too bright. Twitter is amazing. The problem isn't with Twitter, it's with people.

 

[Meicyn]

People that just want to watch stuff burn are not too bright. Twitter is amazing. The problem isn't with Twitter, it's with people.

Yep, you can control what you see just like reddit. Great resources if you separate the wheat from chaff.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Not many people (except for trolls that don't have anything else to do, and genuine anarchists) want to see "things burn."

Most social media seems to bring out the absolutely worst aspects of human behavior. And Twitter is among the worst of social media.

Thinking about it a bit more, Twitter might be the worst. Other places (4chan, Reddit, etc) have a bad reputation due to a large portion of the userbase acting like complete garbage. But Twitter is a combination of the garbage userbase AND the garbage administration/leadership.

 

[Smiggs]

This assumes that quality of content is the same between the 2 groups. If hate groups tend to flock more to one side than the other, then you're going to have a disproportionate amount of undesirable content from one side than from the other. I think we too easily ignore this fact, and it's really essential for understanding why more people get banned.

This is such a fantastic point, and yet it will never really gain any traction. You can go on Twitter right now, find a popular right leaning individual, and click on one of their tweets. Go ahead and scroll down, and you will find nothing but other tweets from people that have very similar opinions. You can do the same thing with left leaning people, too. The thought that Twitter bans just one side is beyond ridiculous, because their is a major presence of both ends of the ideological spectrum on there.

But as you noted, one side tends to have more 'conspiratorial' content, to put it nicely. Not saying crazy shit is exclusive to one side, because it is absolutely not. Crazies exist on both ends (no need to name that other place where the nutjobs like to congregate).

 

[DeepEnigma]

But as you noted, one side tends to have more 'conspiratorial' content, to put it nicely.

 

[BeardGawd]

This is such a fantastic point, and yet it will never really gain any traction. You can go on Twitter right now, find a popular right leaning individual, and click on one of their tweets. Go ahead and scroll down, and you will find nothing but other tweets from people that have very similar opinions. You can do the same thing with left leaning people, too. The thought that Twitter bans just one side is beyond ridiculous, because their is a major presence of both ends of the ideological spectrum on there.

But as you noted, one side tends to have more 'conspiratorial' content, to put it nicely. Not saying crazy shit is exclusive to one side, because it is absolutely not. Crazies exist on both ends (no need to name that other place where the nutjobs like to congregate).

Dude. Saying gender is real can be labelled as hate speech. That's why this won't gain traction. What's labelled as hate speech in some cases is really just differing opinion.

You have Twitter employees on video admitting the bias.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

You have Twitter employees on video admitting the bias.

One and done.

But even with you laying it out so clearly, people will try to (at best) "both sides" this issue, or (at worst) outright lie about which side is the culprit in the ongoing Twitter shenanigans.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Also not surprising how clearly one can see, based on the

Spoiler: Spoiler

political

affiliation of people in this thread, who wants to see Elon fail, and who wants to see him succeed.

I'm not all that knowledgeable on the details of this situation and won't play "armchair lawyer." Several sources I've briefly read have said that both Elon and Twitter have legal cases for their actions, but ultimately, from what we know at the moment at least, Twitter may have the stronger case.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Also not surprising how clearly one can see, based on the

Spoiler: Spoiler

political

affiliation of people in this thread, who wants to see Elon fail, and who wants to see him succeed.

I'm not all that knowledgeable on the details of this situation and won't play "armchair lawyer." Several sources I've briefly read have said that both Elon and Twitter have legal cases for their actions, but ultimately, from what we know at the moment at least, Twitter may have the stronger case.

Even those legal talking points will carry personal bias. Don't count out Skadden (Musk's representation) ... they are a force to be reckoned with and well-connected players.

When the Going Gets Tough, Skadden's Litigators Get Going | The American Lawyer

Skadden's litigators thrive when the stakes are high and the odds are long.

www.law.com

 

[Smiggs]

Dude. Saying gender is real can be labelled as hate speech. That's why this won't gain traction. What's labelled as hate speech in some cases is really just differing opinion.

You have Twitter employees on video admitting the bias.

As I said, crazy people exist on both ends. I am not defending Twitter, I'm just simply saying this notion that conservatives are banned outright isn't accurate. You can find tons of tweets liberals would consider "hate speech" all over Twitter, right now.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

people will try to (at best) "both sides" this issue

Only a couple of posts later...

As I said, crazy people exist on both ends.

... Move over, Nostradamus. My predictive abilities are better than yours. So I will now declare myself "The Visionary Sage of NeoGAF"

(I'm clearly joking/semi-trolling about the sage stuff. But come on, how can any reasonable person really "both sides" this? It's clear where the pressure and the censorship is coming from. This is NOT a "both sides" issue...)

 

[sonicwebster]

Since people are banned based on they post not just because they're conservative. Doesn't you want to have like a jillion dollars. I thought it was not about the money for him with buying twitter, why is he stopping now?

 

[Ionian]

Never thought him that smart but funny for the memes.

But that is a fucked up video to post. I'm not trans but that is so fucking tone deaf. He speaks absolute shit, it's like he went went out of his way to sound intellectual about something he's obviously biased upon.

Shameful shit considering what some people need to go through if truly trans. Just unneeded and gross.

Let people be people you fucking arsehole.

And this from (what I assume) is an ex- professor. How did your meat only diet for you and your daughter work? Only one coma? (yours)

I don't tend to comment on shit like this but come the fuck on.

Let people be whoever they feel they are. Doesn't affect you at all despite your tenuous platform after you got got called out.

I used to have listen to him as he is a great orator, now ... I'm on the side that people can choose and it was a scummy video.

Did he lose his job over his previous gaffes?

 

[Woggleman]

Elon Musk is too much of a troll and too erratic to be in charge of twitter. With or without him it is a cauldron of hate and discontent from both sides but he doesn't seem serious about this and one of the biggest social media platforms should be run by somebody who i

 

[Mistake]

Since people are banned based on they post not just because they're conservative. Doesn't you want to have like a jillion dollars. I thought it was not about the money for him with buying twitter, why is he stopping now?

He says it’s not about money, but no one who runs a business actually believes that. He’s probably renegotiating the deal. Twitter is obviously lying about their bots though

 

[BeardGawd]

Since people are banned based on they post not just because they're conservative. Doesn't you want to have like a jillion dollars. I thought it was not about the money for him with buying twitter, why is he stopping now?

It's not about the money for him.

But for the Banks giving him loans it's absolutely about the money.

 

[EverydayBeast]

A lot of people are so obsessed with twitter.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The anti-Musk, pro-Twitter derps are hilarious,

“Yeah, go Twitter, sue Musk and force him to… buy… what we… uhm… hm… don’t want him to buy?” “Shit.”

 

[Ionian]

Elon Musk is too much of a troll and too erratic to be in charge of twitter. With or without him it is a cauldron of hate and discontent from both sides but he doesn't seem serious about this and one of the biggest social media platforms should be run by somebody who i

Have you paid any attention to him?

Pump and dump. Him and his buddies made their millions already.

He'll be back to trolling in no time. Maybe after a small smack but that's it.

 

[01011001]

The anti-Musk, pro-Twitter derps are hilarious,

“Yeah, go Twitter, sue Musk and force him to… buy… what we… uhm… hm… don’t want him to buy?” “Shit.”

well I don't care who is saying that, that is what Twitter should do and what I hope happens. he completely scammed people here and should be forced to buy at this point or face serious legal consequences

 

[Grildon Tundy]

A lot of people are so obsessed with twitter.

Ya think?

 

[Ionian]

well I don't care who is saying that, that is what Twitter should do and what I hope happens. he completely scammed people here and should be forced to buy at this point or face serious legal consequences

Oh he scammed people alright.

Did it legally thus far.

How much you reckon he made off the initial share bump, to what he loses?

He wins.

 

[BeardGawd]

Have you paid any attention to him?

Pump and dump. Him and his buddies made their millions already.

He'll be back to trolling in no time. Maybe after a small smack but that's it.

He already sold his stock?

 

[Aggelos]

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Ionian]

He already sold his stock?

Some no doubt but not all. Be a a case of flipping them if he had to, discreetly.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

The anti-Musk, pro-Twitter derps are hilarious,

“Yeah, go Twitter, sue Musk and force him to… buy… what we… uhm… hm… don’t want him to buy?” “Shit.”

It's hilarious to see people, whose "side" was historically against big "evil" corporations, now take the side of... Disney, Facebook, Twitter, etc

 

[Lady Jane]

It really is interesting how far Twitter is going to hide the bot count. It must be bad, like it would get investors to back out bad.

 

[DragoonKain]

He's shit talking, for his sake he better be right about the bot thing lol

 

[Ionian]

He already sold his stock?

So proves my point entirely.


EDIT: If he sold any to begin with but of course he did.