Even if that happens, there's the issue of Nintendo's typical audience to worry about. Most of the core gaming audience that buys games like Witcher 3, Fallout 4, or GTA5 have already gone elsewhere, leaving third parties with little reason to support Nintendo. Those with money to burn (Ubisoft, for example) may dip their toe in the NX Platform pool for a bit, but don't expect the likes of Bethesda or Rockstar to give Nintendo a shot unless Nintendo proves that they can maintain the attention of core gamers.
Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NXs software output
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Oh shit, I had no idea 10k was banned, I wasn't paying attention to the NX threads the last couple of days.
dampflokfreund
Banned
WiiUs first party content was really disappointing to me, so this is great news
Leatherface
Member
I would rather they didn't rush 1st party games and worked on actually having a good portfolio of 2nd and 3rd party titles to fill it in the ranks. Sort of like a regular console. The only saving grace of the Wii U was the first party efforts were, more often then not, stellar. Do you really think pumping out more 1st party games is the answer? I don't.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
That's not a goal.
that's what worrying me, yeah.
but then, what if Nintendo is just trying to make a huge library to attract more audience and with that, the Third Party? I mean, the Wii U had it at the begging and then it died pretty quickly
omg! this is true... I remember the rumors of it being finalized, then that means they pushed it for NX
If they consolidate their console & handheld output, rushing out software wouldn't be that much of an issue. And with the 3DS starting to wind down (most of the games coming out this year are either based on pre-existing engines, late localizations, or were made outside of Nintendo), this move wouldn't surprise me.
Damn, I need to get my eyes checked. I didn't even see that!
I still can't see it.
Where is it?
Also, I don't understand why everyone here feels that first- and third-party games are mutually exclusive.
More stuff I've heard about NX:
- Nintendo is working on sequels and new IPs
- They are working on software with Amiibo support
- There will be games that will only see a digital release
- Nintendo is cooperating with external studios to create titles incorporating Nintendo IPs
Take this with a grain of salt, this is just what I heard. If it turns out right, you will all see that I am an insider and that my source has proven to be right.
- Nintendo is working on sequels and new IPs
- They are working on software with Amiibo support
- There will be games that will only see a digital release
- Nintendo is cooperating with external studios to create titles incorporating Nintendo IPs
Take this with a grain of salt, this is just what I heard. If it turns out right, you will all see that I am an insider and that my source has proven to be right.
Same here. I believe his ban is over in June, so he should be back.
Just wondering, who started the "please understand" thing? Which company said that?
Noted. Though after the 10k incident, you can understand if we're a bit weary to believe any rumor here on GAF.
That was Iwata. RIP.
ReyVGM
Member
The wheels are in motion, Babu, the wheels are in motion.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Well, my guess is quite a few of these would be "second party" titles. Nintendo already works with a bunch of external studios, like Platinum, Headstrong, Next Level Games, etc.
AcademicSaucer
Member
This would be amazing, I already have my PC for multiplats, I want somethign different from my consoles.
Leatherface
Member
So you are basically banking on them having one console to focus on? That would help for sure. We shall see.
That's cool. Nintendo has always said that games sell hardware, and while that is obviously true, step 1 is getting the hardware right. If the NX isn't interesting, exciting, or capable enough a device to attract people's attention, I think all the great 1st party games in the world won't help. Even the WiiU has great 1st party games with great attach rates, but if no one's buying the console it doesn't matter much.
ReyVGM
Member
Yeah, that's what I expect. More games like Federation Force and Triforce Heroes.
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Deleted member 465307
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Four years from now when you log into NeoGAF and see this thread title:
"What went wrong with the [system name]?"
which you click on. You read the OP, and it says: "Things were looking so bright! We heard that the "NX" was going to have amazing software output," followed by a link back to this very thread.
Kidding. I'm actually optimistic about Nintendo's future.
From other thread:
So basically, in the first year of NX, it's going to get more games than Wii U's entire library as of November 2016? (i'm guessing the Wii U will get 5-10 more retail games this year)
Now this I gotta see...
lol, Next statement needed to be....:
It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for NX. Nintendo has nothing left, nothing they can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created.
Rogers said:
So basically, in the first year of NX, it's going to get more games than Wii U's entire library as of November 2016? (i'm guessing the Wii U will get 5-10 more retail games this year)
Now this I gotta see...
I wonder if that includes decent 3rd party support. I mean, to achieve that number it kind of has to right?
rogers said:
lol, Next statement needed to be....:
It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for NX. Nintendo has nothing left, nothing they can reveal tomorrow would fix the hole now created.
Not exactly. I'm of the belief that a good chunk of Nintendo's output will be shared across the next console & the next handheld. I'm not expecting there to be just a single Nintendo device, be it just a home console, handheld, or the mythical hybrid device that some of GAF has a hard-on for. Iwata ruled out a hybrid before he died, most of the talk from Nintendo (& Trev) indicates that the Wii U successor will be out the door first, & Nintendo's handheld market is currently their most successful market. What I believe, based on Nintendo unifying their console & handheld teams as well as Iwata wanting the console & handheld to be "like brothers", is that a good chunk of Nintendo's games will be shared across both the NX Console & NX Handheld (though not all of them, some being console-only due to power & whatnot).
reelbigtink
Member
I was already on board but this is great to hear.
And bump 3rd parties, if Nintendo can output good software frequently who cares
And bump 3rd parties, if Nintendo can output good software frequently who cares
I still say that the shared library idea doesn't make any real sense or offer any benefit over just going with a hybrid or even handheld-only. They just end up with one piece of hardware being useless. The shared library kills any chance of third-party support and reduces the attach rate, so what's the point? I don't see it.
They don't need third parties if they have consistent first party output. Their Wii/U strategy wasn't wrong; it just had horrible implementation. It could work for the NX, but they seriously need to deliver.
From some pretty solid rumors, I don't think this is the case. We've heard from Dr. Serkan Toto and others that Bandai Namco is preparing multiple titles for NX, and Square Enix themselves confirmed Dragon Quest XI early on. Also, given the popularity of handhelds in Japan, if the NX includes both home and portable variants, it pretty much guarantees support from Japanese developers.
With western devs, we've seen Nintendo put in a pretty concerted effort recently to attract indie titles, and that's worked out quite well. There was also the rumor released by Destructoid regarding Beyond Good & Evil 2, so if that's the case, we know Ubisoft is on board, at least.
Also, if what Emily Rogers says is true, that "the entire process of how Nintendo develops and produces software has gone through radical changes.", then I'd imagine this would benefit 3rd parties as much as it benefits Nintendo.
Too good to be true. Like really, really good. So much that I don't believe it since this is Nintendo wich we're talking about. Gotta have a lil light of hope and optimism this time and hope this turns out to be true. Wii U was a disaster in every single aspect and looks like Nintendo is finally learning of those mistakes to make a big turn around.
It wouldn't necessarily be 100% shared. Some games may be console-only as a result of the game being too ambitious for the handheld to, well, handle. It's just that given Nintendo's unification of their console & handheld divisions, as well as Iwata wanting more unification between their console & handheld devices, some form of cooperation between the Wii U & 3DS successors is going to happen. The main goal with such a shared library would be to minimize software droughts, which plagued both the Wii U & the 3DS.
Father_Brain
Banned
That's far from proven, but they at least have a better chance of pulling that off than of winning back the AAA third parties.
On the topic about improving their software output. With a proper hardware and software ecosystem it won't be a problem to increase their output. Nintendo recently restructured so that their software and hardware teams are working together now.
We also have statements from Iwata citing Apple and Android for shared architecture across systems.
It's not hard to imagine such a scenario where they have more games on their system when Nintendo's output is 20-40 games across two systems.
We also have statements from Iwata citing Apple and Android for shared architecture across systems.
It's not hard to imagine such a scenario where they have more games on their system when Nintendo's output is 20-40 games across two systems.
Mediking
Member
The new Dragon Quest game from Square Enix is coming to NX.... heh.
I completely forgot that Serkan Toto said Bandai Namco was preparing multiple NX titles.
Curious to see what those titles are.
Exactly. Nintendo's software output combined is actually rather amazing, it's just that their focus is split between supporting two separate platforms. Together (or mostly together) would result in Nintendo rapid-firing first party games like a Heavy Splatling with unlimited ink.
I always said that this would be key to them getting their groove back in the console space.
But this all hinges on the quality of output as well, if that suffers due to them rushing development just to put out stuff faster, then it won't do them any good.
ALso there will have to be lots of nmew ip or old ones being revived, just putting out more Marios Zeldas Pokemons etc won't do either.
But this all hinges on the quality of output as well, if that suffers due to them rushing development just to put out stuff faster, then it won't do them any good.
ALso there will have to be lots of nmew ip or old ones being revived, just putting out more Marios Zeldas Pokemons etc won't do either.
They already provided dev kits to 3rd party devs as far as I'm aware. So I don't see this happening.
It's more like preventing droughts in case 3rd parties jumped ship again or to just make a better selling point in their system.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Third parties aren't coming back to Nintendo hardware, so here's hoping they've got a hell of a software lineup for the first few years of the console.