Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NX’s software output

I'm reading the OP, and this is what I see:



Where are you reading "easier to develop for"? While I hope that's true, how do we know this isn't just the new leadership telling everyone in the company "We need a new 3D Mario every year. We need a new Zelda every two years." etc

We know the handheld teams and console teams came together... last year? Two years ago? I always figured that was a move for the next platform in order to produce games quicker.

Assuming the thing is cross compatible with the handheld, this isn't as bad as it sounds. Instead of 3D Land in 2011 and 3D World in 2013, we get two 3D Marios for NX. At least that's how I'm hoping it'll go.

The philosophy of needing a zelda game every 2 years gave us majora's mask, so i'm ok with that.

But, it's as you say in the end, I think the assumption is that instead of staggering releases on console > handheld > console, etc, it's just ALL CONSOLE with a good portion of it also going to handheld.

I'd love if they just sat down and kept using the Zelda U engine to crank out a new zelda game every 2-3 years for a bit while also giving us top-down ALBW spin-offs every other year.
 
Gotta love the kinds of response that anything Nintendo related bring out. Especially if it's something potentially positive.

Positive Nintendo rumor: "yeah right, I don't believe her"

Negative Nintendo rumor: "Well, of course. It's definitely true because Nintendo gonna' Nintendo"

Confirmation bias is fascinating.
 
Sorry to be a downer, but isn't this the exact same scenario that played out prior to the Wii U launch?

Folks on Twitter (and Gametrailers) indicating great software support for Wii U and stating that the machine is as powerful as current gen machines if not more powerful, and is very easy to port games to.

Now we're getting rumors of great software support for NX with equal or may be slightly superior performance of current gen machines.

And upgraded machines from MS and Sony are on the way.

When it comes to Nintendo; If it's too good to be true...you know the rest.
 
I feel like this was a given TBH

Yup. Pikmin 4 is the only one that we know of. Hell that Paper Mario disaster of a game may get moved over ala Super Paper Mario.
Positive Nintendo rumor: "yeah right, I don't believe her"

Negative Nintendo rumor: "Well, of course. It's definitely true because Nintendo gonna' Nintendo"

Confirmation bias is fascinating.

And mostly exclusive to Nintendo lol.
 
Well that makes sense if the NX is an actual hybrid console/portable and that it both replaces WiiU and the DS branch at the same time.

It would be easier for Nintendo to produce more titles since their output is centralised.
 
Well that makes sense if the NX is an actual hybrid console/portable and that it both replaces WiiU and the DS branch at the same time.

It would be easier for Nintendo to produce more titles since their output is centralised.
Iwata already shot down the possibility of a single-device hybrid.
 
And Excite Truck!

The thing I don't understand with Nintendo is why they rarely seem to re-use/adapt game engines that they have already created.

There's really no reason Nintendo couldn't have taken the Mario Kart engine and adapted it to knock out sequels to a bunch of racing games fairly quickly.

The F-Zero levels in Mario Kart 8 really showed how easy it would have been to get a true F-Zero sequel up and running.
 
Well that makes sense if the NX is an actual hybrid console/portable and that it both replaces WiiU and the DS branch at the same time.

It would be easier for Nintendo to produce more titles since their output is centralised.

Storm of 'it's not a hybrid! Are you saying Iwata was a liar' comments heading your way.
edit: I see I was too late
I agree though, they can put out a '3rd pillar' (more seriously this time) concept first, and if it doesn't work (or even if if does) they can follow it up with more traditional platforms that inherit the same library.
 
Always possible. Hard to say, but there are a variety of things that could have happened. I don't think one or two minor bits of misinformation or things changing are enough to discredit her. I believe both her and liam have legitimate sources within nintendo (or a nintendo partner) who likely work at or with NOE. Who knows where that source is getting the info from, either.

I didn't say that it completely discredits her, but I was pointing out that she's not as dead-on accurate some paint her.

She said that too. But based on the long lack of any release information, the late US release, the information that NoA was in talks with a third party to bring it over from multiple, reliable sources who also got the new Paper Mario right, it's more likely that it was indeed the case that NoA did not intend to publish the game at some point.

I notice a lot with "insiders," they tend to build off each others information, even when it's faulty. Another case in point was when Liam came out about this alleged emergency meeting about Star Fox Zero that could potentially see it being canceled. The Direct afterward basically killed the idea since there was no way a project in such dire straits would not be shown and dated before this alleged meeting. But around that time several other people with alleged insider information chimed in that they had heard something similar and all that.
 
Nintendo's software is always good that not the issue.........until Nintendo decides to go head to head with Sony\MS on the technology front I'm not paying money for outdated or under powered CPU\GPU.
 
Well that makes sense if the NX is an actual hybrid console/portable and that it both replaces WiiU and the DS branch at the same time.

It would be easier for Nintendo to produce more titles since their output is centralised.

Iwata shot this down years ago, no rumors point to a hybrid, or even a portable at this point.

Storm of 'it's not a hybrid! Are you saying Iwata was a liar' comments heading your way.
edit: I see I was too late
I agree though, they can put out a '3rd pillar' (more seriously this time) concept first, and if it doesn't work (or even if if does) they can follow it up with more traditional platforms that inherit the same library.

Sorry, saying "but they always say that" doesn't change the fact that that was what was said.... It doesn't somehow invalidate what Iwata said, or gel with any current rumors.
 
The thing I don't understand with Nintendo is why they don't seem to re-use/adapt game engines that they have already created.

There's really no reason Nintendo couldn't have taken the Mario Kart engine and adapted it to knock out sequels to a bunch of racing games fairly quickly.

The F-Zero levels in Mario Kart 8 really showed how easy it would have been to get a true F-Zero sequel up and running.

Yeah, they have a hard time just straight-up reusing engines. They *DO* reuse engines, but they put a lot of work on the engine itself in between titles. WW and TP both use the same game engine, iirc, but you'd never know just by looking at them since they're so vastly different looking. I really wish they'd do the OoT > MM thing more often and just put a twist on an old game engine.

As you say, MK8 is a perfect engine that could be reused for f-zero, MK9, and possibly even another racing game altogether.

I notice a lot with "insiders," they tend to build off each others information, even when it's faulty. Another case in point was when Liam came out about this alleged emergency meeting about Star Fox Zero that could potentially see it being canceled. The Direct afterward basically killed the idea since there was no way a project in such dire straits would not be shown and dated before this alleged meeting. But around that time several other people will alleged insider information chimed in that they had heard something similar and all that.

Liam still stands by his source saying it was legitimate and that we just didn't see any of the consequences of those internal discussions (despite the clear contradiction in that meeting happening after the direct).
 
I notice a lot with "insiders," they tend to build off each others information, even when it's faulty. Another case in point was when Liam came out about this alleged emergency meeting about Star Fox Zero that could potentially see it being canceled. The Direct afterward basically killed the idea since there was no way a project in such dire straits would not be shown and dated before this alleged meeting. But around that time several other people will alleged insider information chimed in that they had heard something similar and all that.

He said NOE wanted the game delayed. They don't decide release dates really. NCL does. A lot of people misunderstood what he said.

I don't like the guy tbh but he never said the game may be canceled.
 
Positive Nintendo rumor: "yeah right, I don't believe her"

Negative Nintendo rumor: "Well, of course. It's definitely true because Nintendo gonna' Nintendo"

Confirmation bias is fascinating.

To be fair there's no reason to believe they will do anything right, based on their track records
 
I actually quite liked the Wii U software output. More so than the Wii. So if the NX is even better than that I will be pretty happy.
 
Iwata already shot down the possibility of a single-device hybrid.
I don't get why it's so difficult for understand what's [probably] going on. A single 'platform' that games are developed for and multiple devices that can access those games, like the iPhone/iPad and iOS. I mean, Iwata himself said the devices would be like brothers and had been referencing a setup like this for a long time.

We're probably going to get a decently powerful home console and a handheld (and maybe more in the future?) that have access to same software platform and 90% of the games on the platform can be accessed on either device, with some titles being exclusive to one or the other.
 
More software (and quality software also, not just fluff) would go a long way to making sure that the NX is far more successful than the WiiiU. I hope Emily is right and I hope that Nintendo has more success with the NX than with the WiiU. It's as simple as that.
 
I wonder if part of the restructuring and reorganizing how they make games has something to do with streamlining their development tools. And I don't mean just for Nintendo's internal teams- haven't we seen a rumor that Nintendo is actually providing good developer support and documentation this time around (or was that just a hope)?

What could be really neat is if Nintendo did something like release a version of one of their proprietary engines for third party devs/indies to use directly, or even release it to the public like UE4 or Unity, with certain rules that allow anyone to make games exclusively for Nintendo consoles, although the games would likely need approval by Nintendo.

Doesn't sound terribly Nintendo-like but who knows what they've been changing these past few years.
 
It dangerously sounds like they're gonna ignore third parties again.

If true.

I'm okay with that. I buy nintendo systems for nintendo games. I think a lot of people still on the nintendo train are in the same boat, and it shows in the sales figures.

Would it help them capture a wider audience, maybe? I feel those people are already picking up playstations and xboxes though. Nintendo are coming in at a strange place in this cycle.
 
To be fair there's no reason to believe they will do anything right, based on their track records

I mean, we know for a fact nintendo has been restructuring these last two years, so that, at least, gives SOME credence to the hopes and dreams that they'll get their act together this time. If it weren't for their recent restructure, i'd fully agree with you.

When you see someone or something actively make big changes to themselves to help improve their future, it makes you hopeful, at least, that they'll make a better effort next time. If nintendo had changed NOTHING between wii U launch and now, you'd be 100% correct.
 
The philosophy of needing a zelda game every 2 years gave us majora's mask, so i'm ok with that.

But, it's as you say in the end, I think the assumption is that instead of staggering releases on console > handheld > console, etc, it's just ALL CONSOLE with a good portion of it also going to handheld.

I'd love if they just sat down and kept using the Zelda U engine to crank out a new zelda game every 2-3 years for a bit while also giving us top-down ALBW spin-offs every other year.

I've been saying this since... Majora's Mask. The greatest game of all time.

They worked so hard on that Wind Waker engine and art assets... only to discard it after one game. It's a damn shame. They should have made Wind Waker 2 for the GC two years later, saved TP for the Wii, then drop TP 2 two years later, etc. It would suck if Zelda U's engine is used for one game, then we're forced to wait 5 years for the next 3D Zelda.

When I think of Nintendo releasing an awesome, groundbreaking title and a direct sequel, I think of OOT -> MM and Galaxy 1 -> Galaxy 2. All incredible games, all with sequels released soon after, all sequels that share assets with the game that came before it, all sequels that improved upon the original. Why don't they do this more? Must we wait five years between entries in the 3D Zelda franchise?

I'm hoping we see this kind of stuff when Nintendo says they are "creating and releasing first party software at a faster rate". While it's nice to see entirely new gameplay and art assets for nearly every sequel they make, MM and Galaxy 2 prove that Nintendo's endless fountain of innovative IDEAS are what make these games great, not necessarily starting from scratch on the entire engine/art for every game. Save those huge jumps for the next console.
 
Positive Nintendo rumor: "yeah right, I don't believe her"

Negative Nintendo rumor: "Well, of course. It's definitely true because Nintendo gonna' Nintendo"

Confirmation bias is fascinating.

Too true and it's always the usual suspects along with some new juniors that want to look cool and part of the "real gamer" crowd. Nintendo? Pssshh.... Lol! Keep that Fisher Price shit in the garbage, etc, etc...
 
I've been saying this since... Majora's Mask. The greatest game of all time.

They worked so hard on that Wind Waker engine and art assets... only to discard it after one game. It's a damn shame. They should have made Wind Waker 2 for the GC two years later, saved TP for the Wii, then drop TP 2 two years later, etc. It would suck if Zelda U's engine is used for one game, then we're forced to wait 5 years for the next 3D Zelda.

When I think of Nintendo releasing an awesome, groundbreaking title and a direct sequel, I think of OOT -> MM and Galaxy 1 -> Galaxy 2. All incredible games, all with sequels released soon after, all sequels that share assets with the game that came before it, all sequels that improved upon the original. Why don't they do this more? Must we wait five years between entries in the 3D Zelda franchise?

I'm hoping we see this kind of stuff when Nintendo says they are "creating and releasing first party software at a faster rate". While it's nice to see entirely new gameplay and art assets for nearly every sequel they make, MM and Galaxy 2 prove that Nintendo's endless fountain of innovative IDEAS are what make these games great, not necessarily starting from scratch on the entire engine/art for every game. Save those huge jumps for the next console.

I mean, the TP engine is a heavily modified WW engine. But, it's as you say, I wish it had been a less modified direct sequel or similar-looking game instead. The mario galaxy 2 of wind-waker - all the cutting-room floor ideas brought to life again.

Here's hoping they get smarter this time. I mean, we got ALBW > Tri force heroes, using the same engine. Sure TFH isn't a 'real' zelda sequel, but it's a step in the right direction, I think.
 
To be fair there's no reason to believe they will do anything right, based on their track records

Mabye, but tossing aside all positive rumors while accepting the negative ones is still confirmation bias. The opposite is true as well.

The best attitude to have is to simply remain skeptical until we have the facts.
 
Sorry to be a downer, but isn't this the exact same scenario that played out prior to the Wii U launch?

Folks on Twitter (and Gametrailers) indicating great software support for Wii U and stating that the machine is as powerful as current gen machines if not more powerful, and is very easy to port games to.

Now we're getting rumors of great software support for NX with equal or may be slightly superior performance of current gen machines.

And upgraded machines from MS and Sony are on the way.

When it comes to Nintendo; If it's too good to be true...you know the rest.

That's fair, but I think it is different for two reasons:

1) Nintendo will have parity with current gen machines and not last gen consoles. If the market accepts iterative game consoles, that helps Nintendo, not hurts them.

2) Nintendo underestimated how hard HD development would be for Wii U games, and has now actively spent the last couple of years trying to make it easier. I think it is reasonable to assume they will be capable of producing software faster than they did in the Wii U era.
 
He said NOE wanted the game delayed. They don't decide release dates really. NCL does. A lot of people misunderstood what he said.

I don't like the guy tbh but he never said the game may be canceled.

Eh, I don't know about that. All I recall is him talking about an emergency meeting that was happening to decide the games fate, a meeting that allegedly would happen a day after a direct dating and showing the project. He can stand by it, but clearly it was misinformation one way or the other.
 
Instead of a new Zelda every 2 years, why not expansive DLC which could introduce additional quests, side stories and objectives? I'd be down with that and it would keep the core game fresh for an extended amount of time.
 
Instead of a new Zelda every 2 years, why not expansive DLC which could introduce additional quests, side stories and objectives? I'd be down with that and it would keep the core game fresh for an extended amount of time.

I'd be down on that once they made a Zelda game for scratch on the NX. That way they could really use the extra juice of the NX
 
I've been unconcerned about weak end-of-life Wii U / 3DS output because I'm hoping that Nintendo has a strong starting preposition the NX. The 3DS was on the market for months before software people cared about was out. The Wii U was slow and crashed constantly at first, which lead to the impression that Nintendo was betting their next five years on hardware that they had rushed out the door. I can deal with droughts now so long as the NX avoids those blatantly obvious pitfalls.
 
wat. here's a summary of the rumors I found:

- Pikmin 3 is guaranteed to be there and playable on the new home console.

We knew about Pikmin 3 forever, didn't take much to guess it was delayed to the next console.

- Nintendo wants to launch with a big first person shooter title.

That was Call of Duty, which did come out at launch (and is still the only CoD on Wii U)

Crazy prediction, a game of the most popular genre will be on the next console...

- Soul Calibur 5 is a launch title.

The Wii U got delayed past SC5's launch; Namco released Tekken instead at launch. Also, SC5 got blasted in reviews, so no wonder they didn't bother with a lateport.

- Rockstar is working on something for the system, but it might not be at E3.

This one didn't happen, but a lot of projects were cancelled once the Wii U sputtered out. It should be noted that Rockstar announced GTA3 and Vice City would be coming to the GameCube and cancelled those versions in the twilight hour, so they've come close to releasing stuff and killing it on Nintendo hardware before.

- Ubisoft is planning three launch titles.

This one would have held if Ubisoft hadn't delayed Rayman. Otherwise the U has AssCreed, ZombiU, and Rayman all in the launch window with Watch Dogs coming to it in it's first year. And we know for a fact Rayman was delayed + made multiplat at the last minute.

This sure is an extremely convoluted way of saying ,,she's mostly wrong".
 
We knew about Pikmin 3 forever, didn't take much to guess it was delayed to the next console.



Crazy prediction, a game of the most popular genre will be on the next console...



This sure is an extremely convoluted way of saying ,,she's mostly wrong".

People have a hard time grasping the concept that some plans don't pan out as originally intended. Especially if the rumor is 6-9+ months before launch. Stuff can change, games get canceled or delayed, it happens. The easiest thing for them to do is say 'lol that person lied' rather than imagine that, at the time of that rumor, those things were likely all planned.
 
I've been saying this since... Majora's Mask. The greatest game of all time.

They worked so hard on that Wind Waker engine and art assets... only to discard it after one game. It's a damn shame. They should have made Wind Waker 2 for the GC two years later, saved TP for the Wii, then drop TP 2 two years later, etc. It would suck if Zelda U's engine is used for one game, then we're forced to wait 5 years for the next 3D Zelda.

When I think of Nintendo releasing an awesome, groundbreaking title and a direct sequel, I think of OOT -> MM and Galaxy 1 -> Galaxy 2. All incredible games, all with sequels released soon after, all sequels that share assets with the game that came before it, all sequels that improved upon the original. Why don't they do this more? Must we wait five years between entries in the 3D Zelda franchise?

I'm hoping we see this kind of stuff when Nintendo says they are "creating and releasing first party software at a faster rate". While it's nice to see entirely new gameplay and art assets for nearly every sequel they make, MM and Galaxy 2 prove that Nintendo's endless fountain of innovative IDEAS are what make these games great, not necessarily starting from scratch on the entire engine/art for every game. Save those huge jumps for the next console.

Twilight Princess was built in the Wind Waker engine. The cel shading is used in the twilight realm.
 
People have a hard time grasping the concept that some plans don't pan out as originally intended. Especially if the rumor is 6-9+ months before launch. Stuff can change, games get canceled or delayed, it happens. The easiest thing for them to do is say 'lol that person lied' rather than imagine that, at the time of that rumor, those things were likely all planned.

Or people are way too gullible. Hence you get 200 pages on a 3D print of a fake controller. The stuff people have posted from this person in particular is the most basic and common sense stuff. And then it mostly didn't even turn out to be true, lol.
 
People have a hard time grasping the concept that some plans don't pan out as originally intended. Especially if the rumor is 6-9+ months before launch. Stuff can change, games get canceled or delayed, it happens. The easiest thing for them to do is say 'lol that person lied' rather than imagine that, at the time of that rumor, those things were likely all planned.

And I have had a hard time grasping that people can't grasp that lol.

Ah well.
 
I think she is right more often than wrong, at least lately. But, I feel are is right about the software ports for NX.

I personally feel four of the launch games from Nintendo are:
- Zelda U/NX
- Smash Bros port

- The rumored Luigi Mansion NX or Metroid Prime HD
-and-
- Diddy Kong Racing 2
 
Or people are way too gullible. Hence you get 200 pages on a 3D print of a fake controller. The stuff people have posted from this person in particular is the most basic and common sense shit. And then it mostly didn't even turn out to be true, lol.

Yeah, like exact dates for Nintendo Directs. Or Paper Mario announcement. Or unified wallets, or Miiverse on 3DS - all stuff predicted a mere month before their announcement.
 
I think she is right more often than wrong, at least lately. But, I feel are is right about the software ports for NX.

I personally feel four of the launch games from Nintendo are:
- Zelda U/NX
- Smash Bros port

- The rumored Luigi Mansion NX or Metroid Prime HD
-and-
- Diddy Kong Racing 2

She has been. She's even admitted that are pre-Wii U days were not great. But she's been pretty much on point since.
 
Positive Nintendo rumor: "yeah right, I don't believe her"

Negative Nintendo rumor: "Well, of course. It's definitely true because Nintendo gonna' Nintendo"

Confirmation bias is fascinating.

Nintendo doesn't exactly deserve the benefit of the doubt after the Wii U. Going into the Wii U launch, they did literally everything wrong. They're going to have to prove that they've learned from their mistakes and make substantial changes.

Twilight Princess was built in the Wind Waker engine. The cel shading is used in the twilight realm.

I mean, the TP engine is a heavily modified WW engine. But, it's as you say, I wish it had been a less modified direct sequel or similar-looking game instead. The mario galaxy 2 of wind-waker - all the cutting-room floor ideas brought to life again.

Here's hoping they get smarter this time. I mean, we got ALBW > Tri force heroes, using the same engine. Sure TFH isn't a 'real' zelda sequel, but it's a step in the right direction, I think.

Yeah, but obviously the assets for TP were all completely new. COD4 is running off a heavily modified Quake III engine :p
 
I'm of the opinion that "more software" isn't necessarily the one true answer to the problem Nintendo is facing, even if it means "more totally awesome software". In the case of the WiiU (and 3DS), it felt more like the release pacing was a huge factor. Take WiiU - a whole load of games in the beginning, then.... nothing.

So, whatever, if they think throwing three dozen games at the thing during the first few launch weeks and then -again- hope for third parties to fill the rest, then they can bite my ass. To be honest: If they manage to set up their dev studios so that they can handle lulls in the release schedule due to "unprecedented partnerships" with appropriate flexibility, then I have no problem at all even if they remain at their old pace/throughput. I just want to stay entertained throughout the year even if I only ever waddle into the "new releases" section at the local videogame store.
 
Nintendo doesn't exactly deserve the benefit of the doubt after the Wii U. Going into the Wii U launch, they did literally everything wrong. They're going to have to prove that they've learned from their mistakes and make substantial changes.

Oh, I agree. It's absolutely best to remain skeptical. You're talking to a guy who borderline hates the Wii U.

My point still stands though.
 
Sorry to be a downer, but isn't this the exact same scenario that played out prior to the Wii U launch?

Folks on Twitter (and Gametrailers) indicating great software support for Wii U and stating that the machine is as powerful as current gen machines if not more powerful, and is very easy to port games to.

No, because Nintendo had to split development resources between 3DS and Wii U for the Wii U launch (resulting in droughts for both platforms as the majority of development resources swung from one to the other and back again) and it wasn't easy to port software assets between the two platforms.

The very first thing we knew about NX is that it is eliminating those two problems.

Also, you're citing rumors about third-party software support, which indeed was better for Wii U at launch than for any other Nintendo platform, when it comes to support from major publishers with their major games. This article is about first-party software support.
 
Or people are way too gullible. Hence you get 200 pages on a 3D print of a fake controller. The stuff people have posted from this person in particular is the most basic and common sense stuff. And then it mostly didn't even turn out to be true, lol.

Sure, both types exist. Elaborate fakes and real info that doesn't pan out. It's nigh impossible to distinguish between the two. No one is saying to NOT be skeptical of ANY rumor. What i'm trying to say is that emily and liam have both had legitimate and valid information in the past, have a track record of being correct more than once, and shouldn't be immediately discredited when a small handful of what they say either doesn't pan out or ends up a bit different than what they originally said. Always be skeptical, but don't immediately dismiss what they're saying either.

Yes, what emily is saying in this particular thread is the next logical step to assume after nintendo's reorg in the last few years + wii u failure, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's guessing, either.


To put emphasis on it again: Always remain skeptical about any rumors you hear. Period. I'm sure even emily and liam would say as much.

Dismissing them because someone has been wrong or 'off' in the past, however, doesn't contribute at all to the conversation. It's a meaningless drive-by post.
 
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