Eurogamer: Microsoft defends NUads (Kinect enabled ads on Xbox dashboard)

Eurogamer, "Microsoft: give NUads a chance"

Eurogamer asked Xbox senior product manager David Dennis why Microsoft decided to go public with the initiative and risk the wrath of its core audience, rather than just show it to marketing partners behind closed doors.

“I think that was a message that was delivered at an advertising event for the very purposes you mentioned – to educate them about some of the innovations we're doing so they can start thinking about it,” Dennis explained.

“Kinect is such a ground-breaking technology in so many different ways that we're looking at ways we can integrate Kinect into an advertising model like that. But obviously we want to hear from people and see their reaction.”


He then suggested that gamers might be more accepting of the concept when Microsoft has had the opportunity to talk about its plans in more detail.

“We want to bring programmes like the advertising that's in the dash right now in a way that makes sense, and ensure the ads are relevant and are delivered in a way that's appropriate.

“That's really what the announcement was about. There will be more details which will hopefully get people more comfortable with it over time.”

“We watch the feedback closely,” he continued, when asked if Microsoft understood why the announcement got such a hostile welcome from gamers.

“I think the advertising we do on the platform right now, I think we've done it in a smart way and that it's consistent.


“We've gradually rolled out different advertising programmes and options for people over time. While initially people tend to react to them [negatively], they do get comfortable with them and understand that they're typically very brand-appropriate and content-appropriate for the types of folks who are on the other side of the TV screen.

“We've had advertising all the way back on the 360, including in-game advertising, so I think, just as we've innovated and updated the Xbox experience with Kinect, we're looking at ways we can continue to innovate and do unique things that we think are done in ways in which people are comfortable with.”
So what do you guys think? Are you happy with the amount and nature of the advertising on Xbox Live already, and are you excited about seeing more? Do you trust Microsoft to implement this in a non-intrusive way?

Also, obligatory:
Haunted said:
(Past threads: MS files trademark; Kinect ads coming soon? The New York Times: "Xbox Will Introduce Interactive Ads to Games" (Kinect))
 
I agree with Microsoft. I would love for them to read my data to specifically target me with their advertising. It makes me feel important.
 
I personally think 3D advertising will be the next best thing.

Imagine each commercial having some cool 3D effects. I would watch them all.
 
Seagoon said:
Why are there ads on the only gaming "service" that you have to pay for? Microsoft must be creaming it.

Microsoft said:
We've gradually rolled out different advertising programmes and options for people over time. While initially people tend to react to them [negatively], they do get comfortable with them and understand that they're typically very brand-appropriate and content-appropriate for the types of folks who are on the other side of the TV screen.
your answer's right there.
 
Seagoon said:
Why are there ads on the only gaming "service" that you have to pay for? Microsoft must be creaming it.

That's the only thing I don't understand about Xbox Live. People who pay for the service shouldn't be bombarded with ads.
 
i wouldn't care how many ads they had if they let me change the startup panel to the games and not spotlight and raised the friends limit, but that seems to be beyond their capabilities.
 
Opiate said:
Do you get cable TV?

I was thinking more along the lines of comparing it to Netflix or something. Not cable TV. That's like comparing Xbox Live to your internet service provider.
 
I think this stuff is as onerous as commercials before movies in the theater, which I also continue to rage (ineffectually) against.
 
n0n44m said:
all pay-channels over here are without commercials ... that's why you pay for them :p


you pay for cable channels too. do you think they're any different than HBO? they charge the cable company and the cable company charges you. cable companies package the channels together so that they can make money and YOU can't save money on a la carte picking channels you watch.

HBO channels gets packaged together because they're way more expensive because they don't have advertising to make up for their costs.
 
davepoobond said:
you pay for cable channels too. do you think they're any different than HBO? they charge the cable company and the cable company charges you. cable companies package the channels together so that they can make money and YOU can't save money on a la carte picking channels you watch.
Can you play multiplayer games on Xbox Live without a Gold subscription?
 
I don't see the problems with this. Started getting my Wired magazine subscription on the iPad and the way they have played up the touch screen features and let you interact with the ads is kind of neat. I imagine Kinect will do the same.
 
water_wendi said:
Cable TV is just the gateway. i would consider subscription channels like HBO closer to Xbox Live.

I'm sure Time Warner appreciates your position.

For the record, there was a time when cable stations first started getting ads. Then people apparently stopped complaining, and now, apparently, we have people who defend it.

It's very possible that XBL will be the same. Give it 10 years, and few still playing will remember it ever didn't have ads. Furthermore, XBL will be viewed as the "gateway" to Call of Duty 14 and Halo 7 and Gears of War 6, rather than a "subscription channel" as you view it now.
 
water_wendi said:
Can you play multiplayer games on Xbox Live without a Gold subscription?

Can you watch Comedy Central without cable/satellite?

ive got nothing now. Enjoy the ads i guess.

You seem to be under the impression that I approve of these ads: I don't, particularly. I also don't approve of ads on cable television, though.

The example shows what is likely to happen. Based your posts in this and other threads, you are clearly staunchly anti-monopolist. When even someone like you defends ads on cable tv (even modestly defending them, as you did), you can imagine what the future of XBL ads will be; ten years form now, no one will remember. No one will care. Even supposedly anti-corporatists may view it as acceptable or defend limply as you have done for cable TV.

It doesn't matter if it's just, or right, or if it shows what consumer zombies we are. My point is that it's real.
 
Gravijah said:
Well, technically you can play at least one. ;p
Well, one single game, eh? That disproves my point. You do not need a subscription to play multiplayer games.

ive got nothing now. Enjoy the ads i guess.
 
It appears to me that Microsoft is spending more time trying to innovate in advertising with Kinect than they are trying to innovate in gaming.
 
So serious question to people who see any kinds of ads as evil.

Do you watch trailers for video games?

What do you think those are? They're commercials. They just happen to be ads for something you're interesting in purchasing.
 
water_wendi said:
Well, one single game, eh? That disproves my point. You do not need a subscription to play multiplayer games.

ive got nothing now. Enjoy the ads i guess.

I was teasing. I don't even pay for XBL nor do I have my 360 hooked up to the internet.
 
The Crimson Kid said:
It appears to me that Microsoft is spending more time trying to innovate in advertising with Kinect than they are trying to innovate in gaming.
I'd say it's about 50/50 at this point.
 
The Crimson Kid said:
It appears to me that Microsoft is spending more time trying to innovate in advertising with Kinect than they are trying to innovate in gaming.

Yes, the same people making the games are working on this.
 
StudioTan said:
So serious question to people who see any kinds of ads as evil.

Do you watch trailers for video games?

What do you think those are? They're commercials. They just happen to be ads for something you're interesting in purchasing.

Trailers for games on a gaming platform are one thing. An ad for Mountain Dew is a whole different story.

Ad defense force?
 
StudioTan said:
So serious question to people who see any kinds of ads as evil.

Do you watch trailers for video games?

What do you think those are? They're commercials. They just happen to be ads for something you're interesting in purchasing.
I equate them to trailers in a movie theater. Technically you're right but these kind of ads make more sense and seems less intrusive and offensive. The stuff on the dashboard I really hate is ads for cars, food, stuff like that that has nothing to do with video games.
 
I just ignore that shit. I pay to watch cable/satellite TV and other than the premium movie channels, I still get ads. Heck, I pay my ISP for internet access and almost every site I visit and almost every media/video source I click on has ads. *shrug*
 
Microsoft.Taints.Everything.

It buys things in order to bring them under its authoritative control.
The company's ability to gain authority through authorship/creation of useful things is actually more limited than you might suspect.
This goes back back to the Microsoft's earliest history if anyone has ever read about it.
Microsoft is however very skilled at putting systems in place to eastablish consistent monetary streams for itself.
[It should definitely be paid XBox live account or ads not both]

It is a masterfully manipulative business. When you, as a customer, gets locked into Microsoft, lie in the bed you made.
And no, I no longer run Windows except in a Virtual Machine when it is absolutely necessary because of someone else's lack of foresight.
(Hint to web designers: don't require Windows specific technologies to view websites.
It entirely counters the interoperability goals of the internet. Use equaivalent open standards).

/End soapbox.

Enjoy your ads. :)
 
I pay for Xbox Live.

Why the fuck am I getting advertisements in the first place?
 
Have they shown any shots of how it will work in the Dashboard yet? I am guessing this is all planned for the new Dash this Autumn right?
 
IoCaster said:
I just ignore that shit. I pay to watch cable/satellite TV and other than the premium movie channels, I still get ads. Heck, I pay my ISP for internet access and almost every site I visit and almost every media/video source I click on has ads. *shrug*

Your ISP has no control over websites displaying ads to you. Microsoft have full control of their walled garden XBL subscribers pay to access.
 
Seagoon said:
Trailers for games on a gaming platform are one thing. An ad for Mountain Dew is a whole different story.

Ad defense force?

No, I'm not defending out of context ads. I agree I don't want to see ads for Mountain Dew, but then, I don't drink Mountain Dew, it's revolting. I'm saying the very concept of advertising is not evil.

No one likes the "Housewife discovers easy way to whiten your teeth!" ads, however I've seen ads on websites that are obviously based on my browsing history because they will be for specific things like new sounds for for the sampler I use. Do I want to know about a new collection of Abbey Road drum sounds for Kontakt? Yes I do.

Having said that I don't even notice the ads on the dashboard and I'll likely never interact with them.
 
I for one can't wait to tweet ads to all my friends.

They have been asking me none stop when this will start so they can receive them.

And obviously this could only be done with Kinect.

Can't wait!
 
davepoobond said:
you pay for cable channels too. do you think they're any different than HBO? they charge the cable company and the cable company charges you. cable companies package the channels together so that they can make money and YOU can't save money on a la carte picking channels you watch.

HBO channels gets packaged together because they're way more expensive because they don't have advertising to make up for their costs.

I don't know what the deal is on the other side of the ocean, but over here you either pay for cable, satellite or terrestrial (get the box and a smart-card) and then you get public TV channels + a bunch of commercial channels, so it's just like you pay for your internet access. There is no way to watch TV here without a subscription at some provider.

Pay TV = the extra dedicated movie and sports channels that have the latest movies and live football coverage etc, only commercial breaks are in between programs ( and there's like 2 minutes of commercials per hour, which is only a fraction compared to the non-Pay TV channels)
 
Neuromancer said:
I equate them to trailers in a movie theater. Technically you're right but these kind of ads make more sense and seems less intrusive and offensive. The stuff on the dashboard I really hate is ads for cars, food, stuff like that that has nothing to do with video games.

I agree there.
 
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