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[Red Arremer]

OK, so I got the expansion and I'm struggling with one thing. How the hell do I start a war in support of rebels?

I can't find the criteria anywhere on the net.

The rebels must reach a certain percentage of their Unrest progress before you can DoW in support. I think it was 40 or 50%.

Spoiler

At least that's what I remember hearing, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't have AoW yet so I can't confirm.

 

[Mgoblue201]

So many likeminded people in that poll.

It's not paranoia if everyone is really out to get you.

 

[KingSnake]

OK, so I got the expansion and I'm struggling with one thing. How the hell do I start a war in support of rebels?

I can't find the criteria anywhere on the net.

Once you support them with money you get a casus belli for it.

 

[fanboi]

Updated OP with relevant info.

So tonight guys, T minus 11 hours.

 

[bjaelke]

bjaelke

 

[fanboi]

I fixed you...!

 

[Fitz]

Rule talk:

1. Minor quibble, but I think this rule is redundant now, there's no option to allow the war leader to negotiation for you or not any more.
2. I agree with rule 2 in that having a top limit of 80/90% should be the same as fulfilling the war goal, a percentage which we should decide on exactly if people agree, so that there's 0 in-game confusion.
4. 1600 is long enough for the sunset clause I think.
8. I still think PvP wars should have the same pause rules as any other, once at the start and end only.

Rest look good.

 

[Kabouter]

Rule talk:

1. Minor quibble, but I think this rule is redundant now, there's no option to allow the war leader to negotiation for you or not any more.
2. I agree with rule 2 in that having a top limit of 80/90% should be the same as fulfilling the war goal, a percentage which we should decide on exactly if people agree, so that there's 0 in-game confusion.
4. 1600 is long enough for the sunset clause I think.
8. I still think PvP wars should have the same pause rules as any other, once at the start and end only.

Rest look good.

I agree, I've edited the rules.

Also, since my two practice games as Malacca have resulted in literally being annexed by Ayutthaya, does anyone have a subject ready for me to play? :+

 

[Fitz]

I suppose I'll have a colonial nation or 6 at some point, you really want to play a subject again though?

 

[fanboi]

I agree, I've edited the rules.

Also, since my two practice games as Malacca have resulted in literally being annexed by Ayutthaya, does anyone have a subject ready for me to play? :+

See... bloody anarchist 'I edited the OP'

DOWN WITH ANARCHY

 

[Kabouter]

I suppose I'll have a colonial nation or 6 at some point, you really want to play a subject again though?

I need to host, and Paradox won't let me use observe mode, so if I get annexed, I don't have any other choice since regular nation switching ain't allowed.

 

[John Dunbar]

I'm a peasant who has been playing Europa Universalis III all this time, but I'm thinking about finally giving IV a try, and now notice the game is on sale on Steam. So I was wondering should I buy the Collection, for 23 euros, or the Extreme edition, for 11? Obviously the collection seems to have a lot more material, so I will probably go with that, but the Extreme edition seems to have some stuff not listed with the collection, like the Star and Crescent pack.

edit: it would seem i was mistaken the collection indeed does contain Star and Crescent. I guess I will go with that then. I have no idea what any of these DLCs are, though, but more the merrier.

 

[Haly]

A lot of the "packs" are just visual/acoustic upgrades. The things you really want are:

EUIV
Conquest of Paradise
Wealth of Nations
Res Publica
Art of War

 

[John Dunbar]

Thanks, I gathered as much from reading the Wiki. The collection had all of those except Art of War, which is understandable since that was just released, so I bought that one.

 

[fanboi]

So, everyone, PM and inform all players that we start tonight so they dont miss it (I am thinking of the more inactive thread players, ZZmitch, Valhelm etc).

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Thanks, I gathered as much from reading the Wiki. The collection had all of those except Art of War, which is understandable since that was just released, so I bought that one.

Sword and Crescent is also highly advised if you plan to play an Islamic nations. If you want to play Byzantine, Purple Phoenix is a good addition but non-essential. Basically, if you look at the DLC listed on the first page that we are playing with, that's the stuff you want.

 

[Toma]

When was todays start time?

 

[bjaelke]

Same time as F1

 

[Uzzy]

So this is starting in an hour and a half?

 

[John Dunbar]

Sword and Crescent is also highly advised if you plan to play an Islamic nations. If you want to play Byzantine, Purple Phoenix is a good addition but non-essential. Basically, if you look at the DLC listed on the first page that we are playing with, that's the stuff you want.

Thanks. The collection included both Star and Crescent and Purple Phoenix, so I guess I'm just missing Art of War now.

 

[Toma]

So this is starting in an hour and a half?

2 1/2 I think.

 

[Fitz]

Yep, starting at 20:00 GMT.

 

[Mgoblue201]

There are a few new multiplayer glitches; hopefully we don't experience any of those.

 

[Kabouter]

There are a few new multiplayer glitches; hopefully we don't experience any of those.

Yeah, I played for a few hours with a friend this afternoon, I figure in 2-3 hours we got at least six desyncs. So there is that.

Edit:
Maybe we should use the beta hotfix?
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?811958-1.8-BETA-Hotfix-Checksum-f62e

This is a beta hotfix for 1.8.0 that primarily addresses Multiplayer stability and performance loss from compressed saves.

To use this hotfix, go into your steam library, right click Europa Universalis IV, click the 'BETAS' tab and select the 1.8.0-hotfix-beta option from the drop down box. If you can't see this beta option, try restarting Steam.

This is a BETA, so you use it at your own risk!

Changelog:
- Fixed a multiplayer crash caused by host and players differing in whether Art of War was enabled.
- Patriots will no longer spawn in nations that would be friendly to them.
- Marches can no longer pick rivals or be rivaled.
- Compressed autosaves is now turned off by default.
- Modding: fixed bug where supported_version wasn't saved when uploading a mod to the steam workshop.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

All the other EU4 MP communities I know say using the latest beta patch is close to compulsory for a stable session, so I'd strongly advise it as I trust them on that one. can't just rely on the host to do it, though, everyone needs to update.

 

[Kabouter]

All the other EU4 MP communities I know say using the latest beta patch is close to compulsory for a stable session, so I'd strongly advise it as I trust them on that one. can't just rely on the host to do it, though, everyone needs to update.

Well that settles it, beta patch it is for tonight.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Well that settles it, beta patch it is for tonight.

You'll probably have to nag everyone into doing it, though.

 

[bjaelke]

It's only a measly 12 MB hotfix

 

[Deleted member 231381]

It's only a measly 12 MB hotfix

Someone will forget, they'll try doing it, the Law of Paradox will mean that everything crashes as a result, hotjoining will be broken, and attempting to use backspace will put you in a personal union under France.

 

[Kabouter]

Someone will forget, they'll try doing it, the Law of Paradox will mean that everything crashes as a result, hotjoining will be broken, and attempting to use backspace will put you in a personal union under France.

Hotjoining won't be enabled because there's no way Paradox has fixed hotjoining. I think the odds of Jesus returning in the next few years are greater than Paradox fixing hotjoining within the same period.

 

[Toma]

You'll probably have to nag everyone into doing it, though.

Is it the 1.8 hotfix beta?

 

[Haly]

Paradox getting their network infrastructure working is probably one of the signs of the Apocalypse and the coming of the Rapture.

 

[Uzzy]

Right, I've downloaded the hotfix. But because I'm a complete idiot and messed up the times in my head (I thought the game was starting at 22:00 GMT), I might not be able to make today's session. I'm hoping I can, but it's unclear atm.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Is it the 1.8 hotfix beta?

yup.

Regardless, good luck all! I shall watch the Eastern European clusterfuck with great interest. I'd enjoy it if people maybe posted AARs, it's always fun to see what people got up to.

 

[Morfeo]

I think the odds of Jesus returning in the next few years are greater than Paradox fixing hotjoining within the same period.

I'm with you on this.

 

[Toma]

Hotjoining won't be enabled because there's no way Paradox has fixed hotjoining. I think the odds of Jesus returning in the next few years are greater than Paradox fixing hotjoining within the same period.

I'm with you on this.

I'll blame all of you if Jesus actually returns. Our seas will be filled with red wine if that guy sleepwalks into the ocean.

 

[KingSnake]

Unfortunately it seems that I won't make it in time for the game. I will probably join later.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

downloading hotfix 1.8

I could need a hotfix myself, actually. Soooo hung over from a colleague's birthday party yesterday.

 

[Morfeo]

downloading hotfix 1.8

I could need a hotfix myself, actually. Soooo hung over from a colleague's birthday party yesterday.

Classic Roboleon

 

[Kabouter]

Server ID 90092622530370569

 

[Fitz]

That feeling when you forget allies can be called in mid war now

 

[freakzilla149]

Attacking human player while watching F1, getting owned.

 

[Valhelm]

I'm so sorry about missing this game. I was at a University Debate tournament without wifi and a very weak 2G connection. I should have checked this thread before flying, so I could have confirmed that I wouldn't be able to make it.

 

[Haly]

Bavaria AAR
11/11/1444 - 01/11/1457

Summary:

Rocky start, cause I missed the first few years and the AI made some really stupid alliances/marriages.

War with Wurzburg, Ulm and Trier. The new co-belligerent system is really confusing but will probably work out in my favor in the long run.

Vassals Gained: Wurzburg (Wurzburg, Bamberg)

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I like how Fitz has already conquered Portugal.

 

[CloudWolf]

Attacking human player while watching F1, getting owned.

But according to my game Morocco was the agressor. How does that work?

 

[Toma]

Starting as Novgorod, noticing that every single country in europe has a -1000 modifier against you because you are Novgorod.

 

[freakzilla149]

But according to my game Morocco was the agressor. How does that work?

I saw that aswell, not sure what's going on.

 

[Morfeo]

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I like how Fitz has already conquered Portugal.

That rating doesnt make itself!

Anyways, i had a decent session as the mameluks, although I fear the ottoman war is coming closer. But its nice to be back!

 

[Fitz]

I like how Fitz has already conquered Portugal.

The credit goes to Stefan over in Aragon for that turnaround. I was ready to bow out thanks to my spectacular fuck-up, but he came to my rescue like a knight in shining brown armour.

edit: To clarify what happened. I declared war for my core as Portugal's only ally was a busy England, mid war Portugal managed to ally, then a few months later call Castile into the war. I got a stack of pretender rebels spawn that I only just beat, whilst that was happening I wasn't able to intercept troops from landing, end for me. Until Castile white peaced, and Stefan came sailing in.

 

[Uzzy]

I'm really tempted to just call gg here. That's never happened before in any of my test games, but then again I've never vassalised the Papal States before.