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Eurovision Song Contest 2017 |OT| Slovenia: "On My Way - to the lowest score"

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Is there anyway as an American to watch any of the semi finals? I just want to watch the people who lost right now but I keep getting the issue that the youtube video is blocked in my country.

Will the finals be like this? I would like to watch that live.

Here are the links to semifinals 1 (link, you will need to scrub past the long intro video) and 2 (link) through SVT, the Swedish broadcaster. There's not a ton of Swedish, there are no commercials, and the quality is good.

For the final, the EBU may require all broadcasters to geoblock due to Logo having exclusive airing rights. SVT might not be geoblocked. Logo's stream is free I think, but their commentary is awful and makes the experience considerably worse. Other than that a VPN might be necessary :/
 

addik

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My top 5 include France, Italy, Portugal, Moldova, and Belarus, but I suspect Belarus will not make it in Top 5 (or even the Top 10) since I'm sire Bulgaria will make it in tbe Top 5. I love France's entry, but still not sure if it will crack the Top 5. But, I suspect it has enough support to make it in Top 10 at least.
 

Kabouter

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My favourites just include Moldova really. They're so far ahead of everyone else for me, the rest might as well not even be in the competition. At the same time, they probably shouldn't win, because it'd mean Moldova would have to organise it. I don't wish that on them.
 

Tregard

Soothsayer
Looks like after another non-qualification, San Marino may withdraw from the contest again.
I imagine the Czech Republic is also considering dropping out. :/
And there's also the current potential of Israel getting kicked out of the EBU due to their broadcaster getting changed up.

Seems like 2018 is gonna be an interesting year.

I do feel like the EBU is gearing themselves up for a "Globovision", perhaps for the 65th Eurovision in 2020, where they'll have like, 10 guest countries and 3 semi-finals (Canada, USA, Japan, South Korea, India, South Africa, Brazil, China, Malaysia and Chile?). Jon Ola Sand has spoken of the competition widening for some time, and having guest nations. With countries dropping out, and other countries from further away wanting to get in, it seems like a larger one-off event would be a good way to test this out.
 

Apzu

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Imagine how awesome it would be if the top 5 were only of countries singing in their own language, like Portugal, Italy, Hungary, France and UK, because I can't blame them for singing in english if they speak english. Too bad it won't happen, but I can still hope that Portugal and Italy will be there.

I do feel like the EBU is gearing themselves up for a "Globovision", perhaps for the 65th Eurovision in 2020, where they'll have like, 10 guest countries and 3 semi-finals (Canada, USA, Japan, South Korea, India, South Africa, Brazil, China, Malaysia and Chile?). Jon Ola Sand has spoken of the competition widening for some time, and having guest nations. With countries dropping out, and other countries from further away wanting to get in, it seems like a larger one-off event would be a good way to test this out.
As much as I would love to have Brazil as a contestant I doubt we'll ever be invited. As I said in a rant some pages ago, no national broadcaster airs the contest and no big media outlet even covers it. Most people here wouldn't even know it exists. I only know there's an eurovision contest because I started reading european newspapers online some years ago, thank you El Pais.

I have to say though, I find it amazing that a country like australia, which has such a difference in time zone to europe, is so into the contest. Here in Brazil I can watch it at 4pm, I don't know if I would ever watch it live at 4 am.
 

Tregard

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No, but they would most likely go all in and send someone actually well known and that alone will be an advantage in an sea of unknown artists. Just look at last years reactions to Justin Timberlake.

I imagine they'd send someone like OK Go, honestly. Canada could send the Barenaked Ladies.
 
The running order for the finals is known, I will add it to the OP when I have the time.

I do feel like the EBU is gearing themselves up for a "Globovision", perhaps for the 65th Eurovision in 2020, where they'll have like, 10 guest countries and 3 semi-finals (Canada, USA, Japan, South Korea, India, South Africa, Brazil, China, Malaysia and Chile?). Jon Ola Sand has spoken of the competition widening for some time, and having guest nations. With countries dropping out, and other countries from further away wanting to get in, it seems like a larger one-off event would be a good way to test this out.

Well there have been Asiavisions that have taken place since 2012 (though not exactly the same format).

That said, as I mentioned before in this thread, a few things to consider:
In 2015, there were delegations from several countries that visited the contest in Vienna (Morocco, Tunisia, Kazakhstan and Kosovo).
Morocco and Tunisia are EBU members, and have a standing invitation every year. There's also the fact that there have been a few Arabic countries that lifted the ban on broadcasting Israeli content, which is why Lebanon, who attempted to participate in 2005, is considered a potential future candidate too.
If Israel's broadcaster gets kicked out of the EBU for failing to meet content requirements, I can see several of the Arabic nations deciding to participate (again), with that trio in particular.

Kazakhstan is an associate EBU member, and while the current Eurovision ruleset does not include all the details about eligible participants, before the overhaul of eurovision.tv, the ruleset specifically mentioned that associate EBU members are allowed to participate if the ESC council decides for it on a case by case base (hence Australia's continued participation as well).
Kosovo has been wanting to join EBU for a while, and EBU also has stated that they are in favour of the Kosovar broadcaster to become a member of the EBU, though there's still debate going on given Kosovo's political situation.
And of course, after the successful participation of Australia in 2015, there also have been talks between China and EBU, which likely also included a potential participation of China in Eurovision.

Also, EBU has been attempting to court Luxembourg back into the contest for years now, and recently there was a change in management at RTL, the new head is apparently pro-ESC.

Finally, there's the matter of potential repercussions for Russia and Ukraine coming from EBU for that obvious political provocation in regards to the Russian selection. It seems like EBU is siding with Russia over Ukraine in the issue, which means there could be a disqualification for Ukraine next year on the cards.

It's going to be a turbulent year for the song contest, especially if EBU is trying to bring in more countries.
 

Apzu

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I don't understand this EBU siding with Russia thing, it's an ukranian law. The only reason I see for them to side with Russia is that the russian budget for the EBU is probably bigger.

Or maybe the EBU is starting to think they should be more like FIFA and demand that hosting countries put their laws aside so they can be hosts. I mean FIFA made many demands for the brazilian and south african World Cup. For instance, in Brazil we had to change some laws related to selling beverages in stadiums, which are forbidden, to appease FIFA and the sponsors. Perhaps that's what the EBU wants to do. If only Ukraine could learn to ignore its own laws for the greater good...
 
I don't understand this EBU siding with Russia thing, it's an ukranian law. The only reason I see for them to side with Russia is that the russian budget for the EBU is probably bigger.

Or maybe the EBU is starting to think they should be more like FIFA and demand that hosting countries put their laws aside so they can be hosts. I mean FIFA made many demands for the brazilian and south african World Cup. For instance, in Brazil we had to change some laws related to selling beverages in stadiums, which are forbidden, to appease FIFA and the sponsors. Perhaps that's what the EBU wants to do. If only Ukraine could learn to ignore its own laws for the greater good...

I don't think it's the EBU wanting to have countries change their laws. This particular case was gonna be messy regardless of what the outcome was going to be, and when it comes to a travel ban that was going to get lifted next year anyway, I think a pardon just for the duration of the event wouldn't have been comparable to changing local law. After all, EBU didn't ask Ukraine to change the law, and once the Ukrainian government definitely declined making an exception, they tried finding different solutions like a satellite broadcast of the Russian entry, but Russia refused that.

All parties involved were going to look bad.
 

oti

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I don't understand this EBU siding with Russia thing, it's an ukranian law. The only reason I see for them to side with Russia is that the russian budget for the EBU is probably bigger.

Or maybe the EBU is starting to think they should be more like FIFA and demand that hosting countries put their laws aside so they can be hosts. I mean FIFA made many demands for the brazilian and south african World Cup. For instance, in Brazil we had to change some laws related to selling beverages in stadiums, which are forbidden, to appease FIFA and the sponsors. Perhaps that's what the EBU wants to do. If only Ukraine could learn to ignore its own laws for the greater good...

Nuh. The EBU respects Ukrainian law but they do have rules. If they weren't to follow their own rules, why would anyone care about them? Both will be punished and that's ok.

What I find interesting is how much flak Ukraine is getting for following their own law. I get that Eurovision is fun and it shouldn't be political but that's just not realistic. Ukraine's decision makes sense and seeing others critisizing them for it is astounding.
 
I don't think there will be any repercussions tbh.

Ukraine and Russia are both important parts of the contest and the EBU clearly wants both back -- it will make empty threats just to show it's paying attention. Remember when Iveta Mukuchyan waved the Nagorno-Karabakh flag during the vote reveal last year? EBU threatened Armenia but never followed through. They intentionally avoided doing anything to Azerbaijan before, during, or after the Baku contest despite very clear EBU rules about press freedom and human rights among member entities.

If Russia were to say "gosh, we're so sorry we didn't broadcast the show last year, but we have an artist and delegation ready to go for ESC Roma
/Lisbon
and we'll be good we promise!" EBU would bend over in a heartbeat. Same for Ukraine. They won't turn them away after they had to be sidelined due to war two years ago and won last year.


I also agree that the fact Julia and her team decided to perform in Crimea on V-Day during the first Semifinal suggests they knew what they were doing all along.
 
I'm actually feeling anxious for tomorrow. I love our song (it was the first time since 2008 that I voted in our national selection) and Portugal has never been one of the favorites to win. It feels weird (and great) to see so many people enjoying our song.

Go Salvador! Bring it home!
 
He did well. Unlike Isaiah he did hit his high notes, too!

One of the best. It's the one I'm rooting for now thanks to that.

Thanks. I hope we manage to get 2 or 3rd place this time. Won't say no to #1 either but Italy's song is too strong.

I bow to our new Bulgarian K-Pop Overlord.

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Netprints

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Here are the links to semifinals 1 (link, you will need to scrub past the long intro video) and 2 (link) through SVT, the Swedish broadcaster. There's not a ton of Swedish, there are no commercials, and the quality is good.

For the final, the EBU may require all broadcasters to geoblock due to Logo having exclusive airing rights. SVT might not be geoblocked. Logo's stream is free I think, but their commentary is awful and makes the experience considerably worse. Other than that a VPN might be necessary :/

Thanks for the info. If I have to I will get a vpn again.
 
Thanks. I hope we manage to get 2 or 3rd place this time. Won't say no to #1 either but Italy's song is too strong.



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I dunno about Italy. I like the song, but having seen the first semi-final performance... I think it lost much of its impact. The removal of the second verse (now it has two choruses in a row), the sheer chaos of the performance, the weird choir... It was much better in the national final. For some weird reason, I think it will be like last year's France performance - good, but not matching the hype.
 
Updated the OP with the final's running order.

My thoughts:
Yikes is this frontloaded. The 2 main favourites are in the first half and both stuck together at the 9th and 11th starting number, Portugal follows another ballad and is right before Azerbaijan's uptempo entry, while Italy has better cards to stand out being between 2 slower songs. Armenia which also belongs to the upper eschelon of the bookies' odds also is right at the start.

Bulgaria, Sweden and Belgium, all of which have good odds (but aren't the highest favourites) are bunched up in the last 5 performances, which is going to help them out a lot.

This running order is pretty bad especially compared to the semis'.

That bad, huh? I haven't seen the semi performance but I'll take your word for it. Was going strictly by the previous videos.

He's exaggerating imo. The staging is not as wow as it was at Sanremo but it's still very good and memorable.
 
I dunno about Italy. I like the song, but having seen the first semi-final performance... I think it lost much of its impact. The removal of the second verse (now it has two choruses in a row), the sheer chaos of the performance, the weird choir... It was much better in the national final. For some weird reason, I think it will be like last year's France performance - good, but not matching the hype.

That bad, huh? I haven't seen the semi performance but I'll take your word for it. Was going strictly by the previous videos.
 
Coming in second to last in the running order, even while surrounded by other top 5-10 favourites, I think Bulgaria has a very very solid shot at Top 3 at least.
And there's of course also the Russian diaspora that'll vote for him too. Certainly a factor to consider.
 

Tregard

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Because I think there is.

Coming in second to last in the running order, even while surrounded by other top 5-10 favourites, I think Bulgaria has a very very solid shot at Top 3 at least.

Yeah, also he's following Belgium and Sweden, both of whom had rather disappointing live performances, whereas he had a rock solid performance.

I was thinking Italy/Portugal/Bulgaria, now I'm thinking Italy/Bulgaria/Portugal
 
Considering the only countries from the entire Balkan peninsula in the final are Greece, Romania, Croatia, and Bulgaria, plus the massive Russian population in Estonia/Latvia and the fact that typical Russian douze points allies like Belarus and Armenia need to throw their points at something else, etc. etc. etc... he could do very very well.


I certainly prefer Salvador but a Sofia ESC would be fantastic for the contest, the region, and Bulgaria, plus Kristian is great. I might actually use some PTO to travel, I've always wanted to go to Bulgaria...


also some stats since 1998 with televoting in the contest
 
Hey PortugalGAF, what's the mood in Portugal right now? Being the favourite sure must feel weird.

It feels weird as hell. I don't usually follow the Eurovision contest, but I know people who do and talk about it every year. It really managed to gather an incredible momentum in the country right now. And usually we tend to make a big deal out of our foreign affairs, when things get blown out of proportion (for example, a portuguese star is mentioned in an article in some 2nd tier foreign magazine and stuff is reported here like the second coming of christ), but now it really feels like it isn't just us, and people around europe are really into the song. It wasn't love at first sight, but it really grows on you to the point that I'm now very much in love with the song and consider it to be a wonderful representation of our country.

We actually have a big saturday coming up: Salvador may win the eurovision contest, the pope is visiting the Fatima sanctuary and Benfica has the chance to become football champion for the 4th time in a row.
 

RocknRola

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Hey PortugalGAF, what's the mood in Portugal right now? Being the favourite sure must feel weird.

"We're gonna lose anyway, just you watch!....still, just in case have the wine/champagne/beer ready!"


It feels weird as hell. I don't usually follow the Eurovision contest, but I know people who do and talk about it every year. It really managed to gather an incredible momentum in the country right now. And usually we tend to make a big deal out of our foreign affairs, when things get blown out of proportion (for example, a portuguese star is mentioned in an article in some 2nd tier foreign magazine and stuff is reported here like the second coming of christ), but now it really feels like it isn't just us, and people around europe are really into the song. It wasn't love at first sight, but it really grows on you to the point that I'm now very much in love with the song and consider it to be a wonderful representation of our country.

We actually have a big saturday coming up: Salvador may win the eurovision contest, the pope is visiting the Fatima sanctuary and Benfica has the chance to become football champion for the 4th time in a row.

One of these does not belong in the "we" category. >.>
 

jts

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Hey PortugalGAF, what's the mood in Portugal right now? Being the favourite sure must feel weird.
It is definitely weird. I don't feel we are the favourites, but one of the front runners, sure, and it's still weird. I had given up watching the Eurovision years ago and just resumed 2-3 years ago (because of Finland).

But it's moving to see people touched by a song in portuguese, to say the least.
 

Apzu

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The Final order is quite something, at least when we reach half the contest we'll have lots of time to go to the bathroom, drink some water and just stand up. Bulgaria is really in a nice spot, they will probably be in top5, but I don't think Portugal is in a bad spot, it comes after another ballad but it's much slower than anything else in the contest, people will notice how different the song is to everything else because it's from the 50s.


I don't think it's the EBU wanting to have countries change their laws. This particular case was gonna be messy regardless of what the outcome was going to be, and when it comes to a travel ban that was going to get lifted next year anyway, I think a pardon just for the duration of the event wouldn't have been comparable to changing local law. After all, EBU didn't ask Ukraine to change the law, and once the Ukrainian government definitely declined making an exception, they tried finding different solutions like a satellite broadcast of the Russian entry, but Russia refused that.

All parties involved were going to look bad.

Nuh. The EBU respects Ukrainian law but they do have rules. If they weren't to follow their own rules, why would anyone care about them? Both will be punished and that's ok.

What I find interesting is how much flak Ukraine is getting for following their own law. I get that Eurovision is fun and it shouldn't be political but that's just not realistic. Ukraine's decision makes sense and seeing others critisizing them for it is astounding.
I still don't see what ukraine did wrong, Russia did that just out of spite. And it's not something new, russia complained about Verka serduchka's song back in 2007 saying they were singing "Russia goodbye" instead of Lasha Tumbai, they complained about Jamala's song last year, it was obvious they would try to do something silly to make Ukraine look bad this year.


Edit: Odds talk
It seems that in some places Portugal is now having better odds than Italy at winning.
 
I still don't see what ukraine did wrong, Russia did that just out of spite. And it's not something new, russia complained about Verka serduchka's song back in 2007 saying they were singing "Russia goodbye" instead of Lasha Tumbai, they complained about Jamala's song last year, it was obvious they would try to do something silly to make Ukraine look bad this year.

They didn't do anything wrong. I'm not defending Russia or EBU siding with them (at first I was upset at the situation, but the more I looked into it the clearer it was Russia was just trying to be provocative).

The EBU has done their best to remain neutral though has criticized Ukraine for making that decision. I'm just saying that there might be some potential repercussions on the cards for both Ukraine and Russia in response to this exchange of political blows on the back of the contest.
 
Edit: Odds talk
It seems that in some places Portugal is now having better odds than Italy at winning.

Continuing:
Yep, as of a few hours ago most places have Portugal ahead -- and it's continuing to move in that direction, too. Italy is no longer under 1 with anyone and Portugal continues to narrow. Either it's hype, or the SF1 results are out there somewhere and people are moving their money knowing Salvador had huge numbers (which happened a few years ago with Conchita/Aram MP3).

Regardless, I hope it's not a runaway victory for anyone -- the contest is always better with unknown variables. Though I didn't hate the songs, the results part of the program was boring for Lordi/Lena/Alex Rybak/Loreen/Emmelie de Forest/Måns. The changes help a lot but if a favorite is already way out in front with the juries before televote results are read, it wouldn't really be exciting. Also glad several of the frontrunners have spoken so highly of each other this year, the last thing the contest needs is bad blood.

 

Apzu

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Continuing:
Yep, as of a few hours ago most places have Portugal ahead -- and it's continuing to move in that direction, too. Italy is no longer under 1 with anyone and Portugal continues to narrow. Either it's hype, or the SF1 results are out there somewhere and people are moving their money knowing Salvador had huge numbers (which happened a few years ago with Conchita/Aram MP3).

Regardless, I hope it's not a runaway victory for anyone -- the contest is always better with unknown variables. Though I didn't hate the songs, the results part of the program was boring for Lordi/Lena/Alex Rybak/Loreen/Emmelie de Forest/Måns. The changes help a lot but if a favorite is already way out in front with the juries before televote results are read, it wouldn't really be exciting. Also glad several of the frontrunners have spoken so highly of each other this year, the last thing the contest needs is bad blood.
Yeah it's definetely better not having a favorite song, it will make the results more thrilling. And if they do it like last year it will probably be even better.

I still haven't made up my mind about which songs will be in the top10 and in which order, but I think those 3 will be in the top5 if not top3.

Edit: So I watched them all briefly again and I think it will go something like this:
1. Portugal, 2. Italy, 3. Bulgaria, 4. Belgium, 5. France
6. Hungary, 7. Romania, 8. Greece, 9. UK, 10. Armenia

and since I had to watch them all again to guess the top10 here are all the other ones:
11. Moldova, 12. Azerbaijan, 13. Poland, 14. Sweden, 15. Belarus, 16. Australia,,17. Israel, 18. Germany, 19. Norway, 20. Netherlands, 21. Ukraine, 22. Denmark, 23. Croatia, 24. Cyprus, 25. Austria, 26. Spain

I know it probably won't be like this, but if we are in the right timeline, then it will be.
 
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