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Eurovision Song Contest 2017 |OT| Slovenia: "On My Way - to the lowest score"
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Belgium with that performance in the top 5 would be tragic. So would Greece being above Armenia.
#voteforGreece
AnathemicOne
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Is English such an attractive factor in Eurovision? Listening to France/Alma's Requiem without the English lyrics and it sounds so much better.
ClosingADoor
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Well, most of the songs would be gibberish otherwise. And trust me, you don't want to hear Dutch people sing.
AnathemicOne
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I've only an elementary understanding of French and Italian and no knowledge of Portugese yet I love all the songs being showcased in their native languages. Might just be a personal preference of mine as a native-English speaker as I do enjoy the intricacies of how other languages work especially so in lyrical music.
I grew up with Rudi Carrell on German TV.
Trust me, there's nothing I want more than hearing Dutch people sing.
SecretMoblin
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A lot of artists use ESC as a springboard for launching an international career/brand, and it's tougher to do that if you're singing in a language only a few million (or thousand) people can understand. It's a good thing that strong songs tend to be rewarded regardless though, like Jamala winning with a Crimean Tatar chorus or the first-ever song in Belarusian qualifying to the finals.
Vrede and Hemel en aarde are classics though -- Edsilia should have won that year despite it probably one of the top 5 contests in history!
Vrede and Hemel en aarde are classics though -- Edsilia should have won that year despite it probably one of the top 5 contests in history!
I mostly agree though
UK will exit anything with the letters EU in it now?
Belgium's performance is really bad, but there are a lot of poor performances this year and at least she has a black dress instead of the standard white, and that might make it more memorable.
I find greece better than armenia, but maybe that's one of those sogs I don't get why people love it more than the other.
RocknRola
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For those interested, here is a site which allows you to pick a language and have an instant translation of the lyrics from Salvador's song 
http://amarpelos2.com/
http://amarpelos2.com/
Stallion Dan
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UK probably be last.
Red Arremer
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Ahahaha no way will the UK be last. No way will the UK even be in the second half of the scoreboard. The song and performance are fantastic, and if I may remind you of Jade Ewans, she placed 5th with a similar kind of ballad.
The UK has an easy shot at Top 10, it might even crack Top 5 with a bit of luck.
Nobody likes the UK. Russia at least had friends.
Red Arremer
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Yup, Eurovision is nothing but bloc voting, which is why all the former Yugoslav countries qualified, all the Nordic countries qualified, and all the Baltic countries qualified, and which is why countries like Portugal, Austria or the Netherlands never qualify for the finals, and there hasn't been a single Western European winner in the last decade.
...wait, hold on a minute.
What a joke. They should leave the earth.
England's done decently when they've sent a decent song
You can't bloc vote in the semi finals as you can't vote on the other semi. You also list countries that do bloc vote as exceptions to bloc voting.
I know. I'm joking.
Red Arremer
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Semis have half the participants (ish) of the finals, so bloc-voting, if anything, should be even more pronounced.
The semi that had 3 Nordics participate had 2 of them disqualify. The semi that had 3 Yugoslav countries participate had 2 of them disqualify (and frankly I am surprised about the one that did qualify, I fully expected Serbia to be in), and the one with the other 2 Yugoslav countries had both of them disqualify too.
Portugal, Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Israel, etc. made the finals without any neighbour blocs (and before you bring up Germany and Switzerland voting in the semi Austria was in: Historically, the German countries never voted for each other very much - Germany even gave 0 points to Austria when it won!).
The United Kingdom's shitty performance since the turn of the century is solely to blame on the UK itself. And when it did send a solid entry, it always placed well.
Or are you saying rubbish like Electro Velvet, Scooch or Engelbert Humperdinck's exhumed corpse deserved anything more than bottom 5?
The only unfair bad placing that the UK got since 2000 was Andy Abraham in 2008 getting last place, because that song was the shit.
Green Yoshi
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We can become last the third time in a row. The song has potential. That's what you call a perfect night. At least we won't rank worse than Russia this year. ;-)
France gets way more unfair bad placing tbh. They not infrequently send songs in that bring the fun, and then take home almost no points.
Red Arremer
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Well I wasn't commenting on France's performance, just the UK's.
France at least tries every now and then to do well, unlike the BBC, so I agree.
One of my all time favourites is still Patricia Kaas.
AnathemicOne
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Italy better win damnit. Still salty about 2015.
SecretMoblin
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Juries will ensure he's bottom 5.
I feel bad for Mirela but despite how crazy eurofans are for her, I don't think she would have done super great in the final.... Bring back Beth!
chromatic9
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I'm expecting a lot of resentment and maybe some boos. I doubt a top 10 very much but we'll see.
I do like the French song, think it's a contender to win but it does have English parts which aren't relevant anymore and could go against it, maybe they should re-record it to be all French or change the English parts to a relevant European language like German.
I don't expect this crowd to boo the UK for leaving the EU.
Red Arremer
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chromatic9
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For one obvious reason and the reaction to it from some fellow Europeans. Also I did say maybe some boos, could be none or a small amount. I don't a see a top 5 or 10.
Red Arremer
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You really think Brexit is going to be the about equivalent with going to war with other countries and annexing their territory?
If anything, we should thank the UK for paying the price of showcasing right wing bullshit and anti-EU sentiment for us.
ultratruman
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Daz Sampson wants a word with you after class.
UtterlyPerplexed
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Molly in 2014 had a disappointing result. The song (which I think she actually wrote as opposed to using a pre-made song) was lauded at first and only limped home at 17th place out of 26 finalists. It wasn't bad by UK standards, but that's how low the bar still is. I think I distinctly remember her performance being dead last that night and it simply lacked much presence or energy because by then, I think everyone in Europe had long already decided on Conchita, The Common Linnets or Sanna as their winner.
lmao at that poll too. I'm sure you can dredge up a good number of people here who would gladly try to canvass world organisations to officially recognise the British Isles as their own continent.
lmao at that poll too. I'm sure you can dredge up a good number of people here who would gladly try to canvass world organisations to officially recognise the British Isles as their own continent.
Stallion Dan
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You're ignoring the political side of the voting.
Red Arremer
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You're ignoring the fact that when the UK sends a good song they get decent results.
I know it's really en vogue for especially Brits to complain about bloc and diaspora voting, but again: Are you saying rubbish like Electro Velvet, Scooch or Engelbert Humperdinck's exhumed corpse deserved anything more than bottom 5?
The UK's terrible performance is only the fault of the UK themselves.
You're ignoring the utter trash the UK usually sends.
For those interested, here is a site which allows you to pick a language and have an instant translation of the lyrics from Salvador's song
http://amarpelos2.com/
That's pretty cool.
Red Arremer
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Daz Sampson was a unique act, but frankly, it wasn't exactly a genre that was going to appeal to Eurovision viewers. And to be honest, I think rapper dude being surrounded by school girls was really... creepy.
As for Molly: The song was okay but the presentation was really lackluster and forgettable. The fact the act was so forgettable even though it came last in the running order just speaks volumes, imo. I think middle of the field was all that was on the cards, and 17 falls pretty much neatly into the central range.
Lucie Jones is going to do much better than Molly.
UtterlyPerplexed
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The cycle will continue.
Every time the UK sends in an entry that isn't actually bad, the following year's entry will be irredeemable trash.
Every time the UK sends in an entry that isn't actually bad, the following year's entry will be irredeemable trash.
Red Arremer
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I have no doubts about that. Lucie Jones is gonna place decently, but the Brits are still gonna go "Ugh, all that political voting, clearly all the Brazilian diaspora was voting for Portugal, utter bullshit, Lucie deserved at least every single 12 points from every country, even the UK", and then send another Electro Velvet and be surprised that nobody except Malta gives them points.
I don't get why so many users think that brexit will have a huge impact in people's votes, the UK didn't suddenly become Russia and there's no villain country role in Eurovision that must be filled because Russia is not here this year.
What? Have you seen Spain's entry?
We all do, it's really bad. However I wouldn't say he won due to voter fraud, it was a tie, the major problem there was that the rules to break the tie were just nonsensical. Also the way he behaved after winning was just shitty.
She wouldn't have won or probably be in top10, but her song was a lot better than what Spain ended up sending to the contest.
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