cireza
Member
This is actually the best thing that could happen to Nintendo consumers.
When Nintendo will fully understand that if their hardware is garbage, it is going to be emulated year-one, they will take appropriate measures and
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Fails of 2022: the Nintendo Switch really showed its age
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When Nintendo will fully understand that if their hardware is garbage, it is going to be emulated year-one, they will take appropriate measures and
Woopah
Member
We're a long long way from that scenario. Switch is in its 5th year and software sales are still rising.
We can't know that information since it is not public. The list on Wikipedia is far far from complete.
First party games are definitely the main drivers of the Switch, but Nintendo gets a cut of every third party game on their platform. They'll want to keep to keep improving third party support.
I would be surprised too. Given that the OLED is selling for $350. I think the next model is $400 minimum.
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ClanOfNone
Member
Man, I can deal with the underpowered hardware they seem to love, but they've gotta improve the fucking battery life.
Oh and the terrible loading times which have only gotten more intolerable in light of newer storage solutions.
Oh and the terrible loading times which have only gotten more intolerable in light of newer storage solutions.
Sleepwalker
Member
Mustve taken you 3 years to post this on your windows 95 pc with 24kpbs internet.Grainy, stuttery graphics.I've no doubt these would be the same people that drooled over the swimming textures of the PS1.
Sleepwalker
Member
Theyll invest in denuvo for their roms lol
Gambit2483
Member
But hardware sales have been steadily decreasing year over year. I'm referring to the drop in hardware sales that happens when you try to stay in the game too long and lose momentum/steam, when your game releases fail to impress or dry up, e.g. like what happened to the Wii.
Switch hardware is really pushing its limits at this point. The software is struggling. Very soon wverything will either be cloud version or old ass meh ports or ugly struggling current gen games. Nintendo does not want that scenario.
Stamps1646
Member
It's 10 year old hardware, it's been showing it's age the day it released.
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is still one of the worst performing games I played on the Switch and was my first game in 2017.
I had a smoother experience with the Wii U version.
I would love to see a Switch U/II/Pro/X in 2023. I love my Switch, it's been one of my favorite console's, I just want improved frame rates and visuals.
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is still one of the worst performing games I played on the Switch and was my first game in 2017.
I had a smoother experience with the Wii U version.
I would love to see a Switch U/II/Pro/X in 2023. I love my Switch, it's been one of my favorite console's, I just want improved frame rates and visuals.
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daveonezero
Banned
Do you have data and criteria to back this up? What is "most" and "badly"?
Most console games run poorly when compared to a PC resolution and frame rate.
Do Stardew Valley and Hollow Knight run poorly on the Switch?
Kataploom
Gold Member
Zelda BOTW
Mario Odyssey
Xenoblade 2
Bayonetta 2
Metroid Dread
Mario Kart 8
Smash
Zelda SSHD
Dark Souls
Mario Party Superstar
Those are the games I have on Switch... I play on TV let's say Xenoblade fall under 30 fps and bellow 720p way too often... that's it. The rest are around or directly 1080p with very stable framerate, some even basically fixed 60fps... If anything, Nintendo players are the most used to having stellar performance on Nintendo games
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Nintendo doesn't care they're still raking it in.
I bet we don't see a successor until 2016.
I bet we don't see a successor until 2016.
remember_spinal
Banned
I’m not buying any other games for my switch so happy for people that are content with the performance.
PonyStation4
Member
I consider full resolution and 30fps to be the minimum. Most big Switch games don't hit that, including Nintendo's games like BOTW, Metroid Dread, 3 Houses, Pokemon, Paper Mario, Links Awakening
Which PC hardware specifically and what's the price point for it?
Why bring up 2 2D indie games that also run fine on hardware much weaker than the Switch? Such as the Vita. It's like saying the PS5 hardware isn't a problem because it can run PS4 ports well
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Captain Toad
Banned
Not when you're three generations behind.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Knowing Nintendo they’ll make sure we get 1-2 years of barren, depressing release schedules before launching a new system.
Switch's hardware sales decline rate is much better than PS4 in the same timeframe.
If the Switch get a successor after the same time PS4 got one then the next Nintendo console would launch in March 2024.
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Deerock71
Member
SLOW down there. KBPS? I'm 56 baud here!
AndrewRyan
Member
After buying several low performing turkeys in a row you have to spend your time researching every game's performance before buying. It's especially hard on Switch cause their customers are perfectly satisfied with crap cause for many of them it's all they know.
I honestly feel bad for them. Someone should start a hotline for abused Nintendo fans to call in those terrifying moments when their framerate drops to 12 and they feel deep down that something isn't right but just don't know where to turn.
I honestly feel bad for them. Someone should start a hotline for abused Nintendo fans to call in those terrifying moments when their framerate drops to 12 and they feel deep down that something isn't right but just don't know where to turn.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I just bought Breath of the Wild and I'm about a couple hours in and I can say that the Switch has not failed me.
Every game I've gotten so far has been great. My only exception would be Animal Crossing but that's just because it's not my kind of game and not because it's a bad game.
Every game I've gotten so far has been great. My only exception would be Animal Crossing but that's just because it's not my kind of game and not because it's a bad game.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I would say if you're getting a Switch, stick to a lot of exclusives and you won't be disappointed. This is a Japanese role playing gamers dream and part why I like it.
Although many of the games I have are ports and they seem to be working just fine.
Although many of the games I have are ports and they seem to be working just fine.
Topher
Identifies as young
"After five years, it’s time for a more powerful Switch that can erase some of these past and future issues with a faster chipset capable of displaying games in 4K. "
Why would you want a handheld to display games in 4K? And is it realistic to expect a hybrid to output 4K on a TV, not be a stuttering mess and cost under $500? I'm for a refresh of the hardware, but I think all of this has to be in line with what Switch ultimately is: an affordable handheld.
Why would you want a handheld to display games in 4K? And is it realistic to expect a hybrid to output 4K on a TV, not be a stuttering mess and cost under $500? I'm for a refresh of the hardware, but I think all of this has to be in line with what Switch ultimately is: an affordable handheld.
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Boy bawang
Member
Hybrid console consuming 15-ish Watts and based on 2015 hardware doesn't match the recent visual standards. Tell me something I don't know.
For what it is, the console was fine on release. It will probably get a successor within the next 2 years, which will also be fine on release; even a bit more than fine, now that we know some of the basic specs.
But it will never be what GAF seems to want, because it will still be a sub 20W hybrid machine sold at 400 bucks (+ or - 50) and because THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS DON'T MAGICALLY BEND TO THE WILL OF NERDS.
The sooner some will accept that, the healthier everyone relationship will be with Nintendo.
Switch 2 at the end of next year, or in 2024. I'm fine with the compromises, because portability is great, and so is seamless transition to a big screen.
For what it is, the console was fine on release. It will probably get a successor within the next 2 years, which will also be fine on release; even a bit more than fine, now that we know some of the basic specs.
But it will never be what GAF seems to want, because it will still be a sub 20W hybrid machine sold at 400 bucks (+ or - 50) and because THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS DON'T MAGICALLY BEND TO THE WILL OF NERDS.
The sooner some will accept that, the healthier everyone relationship will be with Nintendo.
Switch 2 at the end of next year, or in 2024. I'm fine with the compromises, because portability is great, and so is seamless transition to a big screen.
Woopah
Member
I definitely agree that there will be a point where it's too late, but we're not there yet. Its normal for hardware sales to decline in the 2nd half of its life and we're past the point where the Switch can face a Wii-like scenario.
The Switch's sales curve is more like that of the PS4 than the Wii. If Nintendo launch something in 2023 or 2024 they'll be fine ( my personal prediction is that the new model launches alongside Zelda next year).
Now that they are only focusing on 1 or 2 systems they should be able to avoid that situation
Me. I have launch year Switch and base PS4 and I'm going to be happy with them for at least 2 years I reckon. Framerate and resolution are simply not things that impact my enjoyment of games in any meaningful way
The graphics on the Switch are good enough. They were just about good enough back in late Gen 7/early Gen 8 which is where the Switch lands graphically.
Sure, the PS5 might be 500 times as powerful as the Switch, but the games haven't really evolved to be 500 times better or do anything radically different.
The Switch's graphics are good enough. Barely good enough, but good enough. All of these systems the last decade or so have been very capable.
Sure, the PS5 might be 500 times as powerful as the Switch, but the games haven't really evolved to be 500 times better or do anything radically different.
bender
What time is it?
And that's a good thing for a lot of reasons.
Jubenhimer
Member
I mean they're not entirely wrong. The Switch is pushing seven years old at this point, and it's getting a bit long in the tooth. So developers, first and third party naturally want a more powerful system. Then again, Nintendo isn't just going to rush out a new generation when the Switch is still selling this well. I think Mid-2024 is when we'll see Switch 2 at this point, considering Nintendo's still got plenty of big games coming out next year like Fire Emblem, Zelda, Pikmin, Metroid Prime 4, etc.
Deerock71
Member
That was three Switches ago!
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Deleted member 1159
Unconfirmed Member
I am. I never use it in portable mode anymore so the joycons don’t drift and it chugs along just fine.
I gotta admit, Steam Deck has really made me kinda forget about it, though. Friend’s kid challenged me to Mario Kart last night so I did actually turn it on to show him what’s up.
Sleepwalker
Member
I have one but homebrewed the shit out of it and still dont use it lmao.
The wife has an OLED and uses it all the time though, currently going through the new mario rabbids and enjoying herself.
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Gambit2483
Member
Apparently it's good enough for some people...in 2023.
Brigandier
Member
The switch should have had a docking system that had extra hardware inside it to boost performance, Sold as a separate.
That is possible right?, Strange they never invested in this as switch on the big screen makes my eyes bleed.
That is possible right?, Strange they never invested in this as switch on the big screen makes my eyes bleed.
Tams
Member
And you'd be a fucking tool to try and port, say, COD to it.
Didn't change that it still works as a console.
Tams
Member
Only really recently, at least without wasting a load (more than 50%) of the external hardware's potential. And yes, even that was with Thunderbolt 3.
Only USB 4 and whatever they are calling Thunderbolt finally have enough bandwidth, and that was only specified this year.
Brigandier
Member
Thanks for explaining.
Maybe Switch 2 in 2024 with an optional 4k capable dock!!!
I know I'm thinking with my heart not my brain
Tams
Member
That's what I want, but it ain't going to happen.Thanks for explaining.
Maybe Switch 2 in 2024 with an optional 4k capable dock!!!
I know I'm thinking with my heart not my brain
A tech standard that has only just started shipping (in expensive devices) on a Nintendo console?! Not a chance!
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remember_spinal
Banned
Seems like the people who care about framerate and performance are starting to show in sales as all their more ‘hardcore’ games haven’t seen the same explosive sales as their more casual fair and evergreens. Games like Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Mario Party etc. continue to sell like crazy while stufff like Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Bayonetta 3, Metroid Dread, while performing better haven’t been much better than the games before.
The demo those big action oriented games are marketed to aren’t showing up for them because the hardware sucks. Games that people like to play on their TV’s.
All the more ‘mature’ games aimed at ‘core’ gamers are pretty much destined to sell 1-2.5 million copies, while ‘Luigi’s Left Shoe’ will do like 8 million. If Nintendo wants to expand their own market they need to update their hardware to accommodate 3rd party developers.
The demo those big action oriented games are marketed to aren’t showing up for them because the hardware sucks. Games that people like to play on their TV’s.
All the more ‘mature’ games aimed at ‘core’ gamers are pretty much destined to sell 1-2.5 million copies, while ‘Luigi’s Left Shoe’ will do like 8 million. If Nintendo wants to expand their own market they need to update their hardware to accommodate 3rd party developers.
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Brigandier
Member
Just imagine Xenoblade on a nice piece of kit!!!!
You're right though more powerful hardware from Nintendo would help the sales dramatically of games like Xeno and Bayonetta and multiplatform games would actually be a thing.
Grechy34
Member
Anything that isn't native is a negative from me unfortunately.
supernova8
Banned
I'd be happy to have BOTW level visuals (not even an upgrade) but running at 720p 60fps. Anything beyond that would be welcome but I just want them to do 720p60 at a bare minimum for all games. No more 30fps bollocks (or worse, yeah Pokemon SV).
I'm only willing to let 30fps slide on the full power next-gen consoles where we (hopefully) will see games push the visual envelope. Nintendo with its potato-powered bollocks, however, doesn't get the same pass from me.
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Gotta love how naive people are.
Nintendo could make a 8k/120fps version of something like Bayonetta or Metroid and release it on all consoles plus PC, and it still wouldn't sell more than a couple of million because these are niche games with very limited audience. Performance has very little, if anything, to do with their sales.
People who aren't buying it now because lolnintendoswitchwhatever would just find a new excuse why they aren't buying it while playing some casual fare.
Nintendo could make a 8k/120fps version of something like Bayonetta or Metroid and release it on all consoles plus PC, and it still wouldn't sell more than a couple of million because these are niche games with very limited audience. Performance has very little, if anything, to do with their sales.
People who aren't buying it now because lolnintendoswitchwhatever would just find a new excuse why they aren't buying it while playing some casual fare.
gothmog
Gold Member
If my kids are any indication the Switch is doing just fine. The only thing they even remotely complain about is Fortnite on the Switch because they get better experiences on the PS5 and PC. They will be getting more Switch games than anything else this Christmas.
This is one of those what fanboys want and what the market wants are two completely separate things. I imagine the earliest we hear about a new Switch is Fall 2023.
This is one of those what fanboys want and what the market wants are two completely separate things. I imagine the earliest we hear about a new Switch is Fall 2023.
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remember_spinal
Banned
As someone that owns over 30 games on their switch and is 100% not buying anymore, im happy to say this doesn’t apply to me. I would gladly buy more nintendo games if i didn’t have to suffer through bad performance and shitty resolutions that were common on ps3
I was all in on monster hunter stories 2 until i played the demo. None of the 3rd party games look good enough to run that poorly on switch, even metroid with its long ass loading screens.
Those games would be 4k/120fps on current gen consoles
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gradient
Resident Cheap Arse
Still on my launch system.
Library keeps getting bigger and is currently one of the most diverse and rich I've ever seen. I have more games to choose from than I could ever possibly play and more great games on the horizon that I am looking forward to playing.
Hardware is going fine and I still get to enjoy playing games without having to spend hundreds on a new bit of kit.
I can see why it's still selling strong. It still offers a great gaming experience while the whole cutting edge hardware and 4k 60-120 fps faff remains the domain of the console war obsessed forum dwellers and niche "enthusiasts" whose perspective sits far removed from the main market. People just want a gaming system that is affordable and accessible and has a good library of games.
Library keeps getting bigger and is currently one of the most diverse and rich I've ever seen. I have more games to choose from than I could ever possibly play and more great games on the horizon that I am looking forward to playing.
Hardware is going fine and I still get to enjoy playing games without having to spend hundreds on a new bit of kit.
I can see why it's still selling strong. It still offers a great gaming experience while the whole cutting edge hardware and 4k 60-120 fps faff remains the domain of the console war obsessed forum dwellers and niche "enthusiasts" whose perspective sits far removed from the main market. People just want a gaming system that is affordable and accessible and has a good library of games.
Tams
Member
*they'd only get it if were on sale at a third of the RRP too.
I get that people like taking advantage of deals, but considering how much work and investment goes into many games, many of them aren't supporting the pastime. If everyone did that, so many games studios would go under.