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FakeGAF 7: The Dark Thirst Rises

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zeemumu

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WhereAreMahDragonz said:
Spoilers:
http://www.autostraddle.com/all-65-...al-characters-on-tv-and-how-they-died-312315/

I mean it's at like 13 or something this year alone (the list hasn't been updated in a while)



They asked me to house sit
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The combination of you and talking about dead characters reminded me of this

The prequel spin-off Fear the Walking Dead played this very straight, to the point where it drew heavy criticism. The first scene of the series shows an already-dead black man being eaten by a walker. After that, the first episode introduces three black, male character; all three of them are dead by the end of the second episode.
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zeemumu

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WhereAreMahDragonz said:
Ya TWD and it's whole universe is notorious for this bullshit

Fuck that
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T-Dog wasn't the first to die but he knew it was coming the whole time. There's also
Tyreese and Noah.

Then there's that one nurse who got into a lesbian relationship and died immediately. I think that gay couple's still alive, though.


Then there's The 100 and
Wells...stabbed to death by a small child.

Then there's Arrow that fulfills both the "gay character must die" and "toughest action girl must die" trope by murdering
Black Canary.

I mixed around 3 different tropes together in naming those.
 
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Clydefrog

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trab pu kcip said:
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Hnnngh

You Know Nothing said:
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More like: monsterkill.wav
 
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Jobbs

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I was tweeting about this earlier but I recently saw BvS again (my gf wanted to see it) and I like it so much more than the Avengers. I recently listened to people on one of my podcasts rant against this movie for like ten minutes straight and I just don't get it. What is so bad about it?

It has a consistent tone. Avengers is all over the place. It's ten tones in one movie and just a bunch if noise.
 
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RobotNinjaHornets

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Jobbs said:
I was tweeting about this earlier but I recently saw BvS again (my gf wanted to see it) and I like it so much more than the Avengers. I recently listened to people on one of my podcasts rant against this movie for like ten minutes straight and I just don't get it. What is so bad about it?

It has a consistent tone. Avengers is all over the place. It's ten tones in one movie and just a bunch if noise.
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...

...I can't
 
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SystemBug

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Jobbs said:
I was tweeting about this earlier but I recently saw BvS again (my gf wanted to see it) and I like it so much more than the Avengers. I recently listened to people on one of my podcasts rant against this movie for like ten minutes straight and I just don't get it. What is so bad about it?

It has a consistent tone. Avengers is all over the place. It's ten tones in one movie and just a bunch if noise.
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It didn't have quips 24/7
 
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zeemumu

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Jobbs said:
I was tweeting about this earlier but I recently saw BvS again (my gf wanted to see it) and I like it so much more than the Avengers. I recently listened to people on one of my podcasts rant against this movie for like ten minutes straight and I just don't get it. What is so bad about it?

It has a consistent tone. Avengers is all over the place. It's ten tones in one movie and just a bunch if noise.
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It's cluttered and attempts to tell several stories while setting up several more in a single film, and ends up not doing any of them very well as a result.

They give you a Lex Luthor who may as well be an entirely different character and whose long term motivations make little to no sense. I enjoyed watching him act, but that wasn't Lex Luthor. At all. Making him a Jr. was a failsafe to people getting mad at that, but it didn't work.

Lois Lane is 100% useless as she has her own sidestory where she struggles to believe that someone framed Superman for murder by gunning down villagers with bullets. BULLETS.

Wonder Woman doesn't have enough to do

They used the
death of Superman
plot too early so its emotional payload was wasted because it's the 2nd movie so neither the characters nor the audience has really had enough time to care.


Regardless of what you think about the Avengers movie, it put the time in to develop those heroes. We were given a reason to care. I even cared about Coulson
this was pre-AoS
. BvS could have worked if they weren't trying to jam so much into a single film.
 
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WhereAreMahDragonz

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zeemumu said:
T-Dog wasn't the first to die but he knew it was coming the whole time. There's also
Tyreese and Noah.

Then there's that one nurse who got into a lesbian relationship and died immediately. I think that gay couple's still alive, though.


Then there's The 100 and
Wells...stabbed to death by a small child.

Then there's Arrow that fulfills both the "gay character must die" and "toughest action girl must die" trope by murdering
Black Canary.

I mixed around 3 different tropes together in naming those.
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Basically if you're not white and male and straight you're doomed
 
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Jobbs

Banned
zeemumu said:
It's cluttered and attempts to tell several stories while setting up several more in a single film, and ends up not doing any of them very well as a result.

They give you a Lex Luthor who may as well be an entirely different character and whose long term motivations make little to no sense. I enjoyed watching him act, but that wasn't Lex Luthor. At all. Making him a Jr. was a failsafe to people getting mad at that, but it didn't work.

Lois Lane is 100% useless as she has her own sidestory where she struggles to believe that someone framed Superman for murder by gunning down villagers with bullets. BULLETS.

Wonder Woman doesn't have enough to do

They used the
death of Superman
plot too early so its emotional payload was wasted because it's the 2nd movie so neither the characters nor the audience has really had enough time to care.


Regardless of what you think about the Avengers movie, it put the time in to develop those heroes. We were given a reason to care. I even cared about Coulson
this was pre-AoS
. BvS could have worked if they weren't trying to jam so much into a single film.
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I thought Civil War was a twisted mess too, though, far more so -- And I didn't buy the characters' movitvations and the entire plotline felt stupid and pointless. It wasn't even sure how to end, and the ending was based on people not being rational -- someone who is usually very rational being not at all rational just so we can have a fight. When you make characters do things that don't seem believable just so cool shit happens on screen (like civil wars) it hurts my ability to suspend my disbelief.

Know what else does? Serious people, emotions, grieving mothers, guilty consciences, juxtaposed against ridiculous action scenes with ant man growing into a giant and spiderman being a snowspeeder and everyone quipping endlessly, all while doing things in service of the plot that make no logical sense.

Civil War is a mess to such an extent that I am constantly baffled by the praise it receives.

BvS isn't perfect but for every thing Civil War gets right BvS gets three things right. You talk about it being "Grim Dark" -- Yeah, sure, but it's grimdark in a way that works for a comic movie. It feels a bit "silly grim dark", with things like boss workout montages. My biggest complaint with the movie was the green filter, and the biggest strain in my believability is why Superman would be so in love with Lois Lane, who is a bit homely and never does or says anything particularly interesting. Two things most people never mention.

It also has the best on screen Batman we've ever had (Affleck) and the best action scene in any comic book movie to date (Batfleck vs. the room of thugs later in the movie).
 
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Misha

Banned
Jobbs said:
I was tweeting about this earlier but I recently saw BvS again (my gf wanted to see it) and I like it so much more than the Avengers. I recently listened to people on one of my podcasts rant against this movie for like ten minutes straight and I just don't get it. What is so bad about it?

It has a consistent tone. Avengers is all over the place. It's ten tones in one movie and just a bunch if noise.
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Woah I agree with you.

The main issue I have with BvS is they didn't do a good job tying the dream sequence to the rest of the movie. I'm hoping the directors suet will fix that though
 
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Jobbs

Banned
trab pu kcip said:
because he's always on my side and doesn't think I'm gross!
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who thinks you're gross???

Misha said:
Woah I agree with you.

The main issue I have with BvS is they didn't do a good job tying the dream sequence to the rest of the movie. I'm hoping the directors suet will fix that though
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yay!

the dream dream flash stuff was pretty dumb and I chuckled at it, but all the silly stuff that was in BvS works way better for me than the silly stuff in The Avengers because BvS is maintaining a consistent tone. It's taking itself seriously, while not being asked to be taken seriously. Meanwhile, the Avengers does neither. I think the prior works better for a comic book movie.
 
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RobotNinjaHornets

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Jobbs said:
I thought Civil War was a twisted mess too, though, far more so -- And I didn't buy the characters' movitvations and the entire plotline felt stupid and pointless. It wasn't even sure how to end, and the ending was based on people not being rational -- someone who is usually very rational being not at all rational just so we can have a fight. When you make characters do things that don't seem believable just so cool shit happens on screen (like civil wars) it hurts my ability to suspend my disbelief.

Know what else does? Serious people, emotions, grieving mothers, guilty consciences, juxtaposed against ridiculous action scenes with ant man growing into a giant and spiderman being a snowspeeder and everyone quipping endlessly, all while doing things in service of the plot that make no logical sense.

Civil War is a mess to such an extent that I am constantly baffled by the praise it receives.

BvS isn't perfect but for every thing Civil War gets right BvS gets three things right. You talk about it being "Grim Dark" -- Yeah, sure, but it's grimdark in a way that works for a comic movie. It feels a bit "silly grim dark", with things like boss workout montages. My biggest complaint with the movie was the green filter, and the biggest strain in my believability is why Superman would be so in love with Lois Lane, who is a bit homely and never does or says anything particularly interesting. Two things most people never mention.

It also has the best on screen Batman we've ever had (Affleck) and the best action scene in any comic book movie to date (Batfleck vs. the room of thugs later in the movie).
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Jobbs said:
oh so I might have to fight him now? damn I didn't want to get blood on my zep shirt.. can it wait
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Like I said

Inferior emoboy

This is what you get trab
 
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Misha

Banned
my ceiling fan needs cleaned but I dont feel like it
Jobbs said:
yay!

the dream dream flash stuff was pretty dumb and I chuckled at it, but all the silly stuff that was in BvS works way better for me than the silly stuff in The Avengers because BvS is maintaining a consistent tone. It's taking itself seriously, while not being asked to be taken seriously. Meanwhile, the Avengers does neither. I think the prior works better for a comic book movie.
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Agree. Though Gotham does everything better
 
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RobotNinjaHornets

Banned
Professor Beef said:
I may not agree with Jobbs, RNH, but at least come up with an argument instead of posting reaction gifs.
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It's 1AM and I am tired

I thought someone else would pick up the slack >_>

*goes to bed*

EDIT: And going back to something I said a while ago, what would arguing actually achieve? I mean, I might think his opinion is weird and bad, but arguing it isn't going to change anything. He's free to like BvS more than Avengers and Civil War, just as I'm free to think he's crazy for doing so. *shrug*
 
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Timu

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Jobbs said:
I thought Civil War was a twisted mess too, though, far more so -- And I didn't buy the characters' movitvations and the entire plotline felt stupid and pointless. It wasn't even sure how to end, and the ending was based on people not being rational -- someone who is usually very rational being not at all rational just so we can have a fight. When you make characters do things that don't seem believable just so cool shit happens on screen (like civil wars) it hurts my ability to suspend my disbelief.

Know what else does? Serious people, emotions, grieving mothers, guilty consciences, juxtaposed against ridiculous action scenes with ant man growing into a giant and spiderman being a snowspeeder and everyone quipping endlessly, all while doing things in service of the plot that make no logical sense.

Civil War is a mess to such an extent that I am constantly baffled by the praise it receives.

BvS isn't perfect but for every thing Civil War gets right BvS gets three things right. You talk about it being "Grim Dark" -- Yeah, sure, but it's grimdark in a way that works for a comic movie. It feels a bit "silly grim dark", with things like boss workout montages. My biggest complaint with the movie was the green filter, and the biggest strain in my believability is why Superman would be so in love with Lois Lane, who is a bit homely and never does or says anything particularly interesting. Two things most people never mention.

It also has the best on screen Batman we've ever had (Affleck) and the best action scene in any comic book movie to date (Batfleck vs. the room of thugs later in the movie).
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You like BvS over Civil War? BvS had a shit ton of issues!!!
 
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zeemumu

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Jobbs said:
I thought Civil War was a twisted mess too, though, far more so -- And I didn't buy the characters' movitvations and the entire plotline felt stupid and pointless. It wasn't even sure how to end, and the ending was based on people not being rational -- someone who is usually very rational being not at all rational just so we can have a fight. When you make characters do things that don't seem believable just so cool shit happens on screen (like civil wars) it hurts my ability to suspend my disbelief.

Know what else does? Serious people, emotions, grieving mothers, guilty consciences, juxtaposed against ridiculous action scenes with ant man growing into a giant and spiderman being a snowspeeder and everyone quipping endlessly, all while doing things in service of the plot that make no logical sense.

Civil War is a mess to such an extent that I am constantly baffled by the praise it receives.

BvS isn't perfect but for every thing Civil War gets right BvS gets three things right. You talk about it being "Grim Dark" -- Yeah, sure, but it's grimdark in a way that works for a comic movie. It feels a bit "silly grim dark", with things like boss workout montages. My biggest complaint with the movie was the green filter, and the biggest strain in my believability is why Superman would be so in love with Lois Lane, who is a bit homely and never does or says anything particularly interesting. Two things most people never mention.

It also has the best on screen Batman we've ever had (Affleck) and the best action scene in any comic book movie to date (Batfleck vs. the room of thugs later in the movie).
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I think you not caring about the character's motivations was less about them not making sense and more about you not caring about Bucky. Cap was dead-set on proving Bucky's innocence because Bucky is literally the last living connection to his past life. He also swore to never give up on Bucky and has known him longer than he's known any of the Avengers.

Tony's been having an obsession with making the world safe from his monsters since Iron Man 1, going so far as to build a new monster to protect the world from space monsters, which backfired immediately. That deep-seated fear combined with the collateral damage caused by the Avengers is pretty much his driving force behind taking the political side that he does. He also feels betrayed by Cap because despite their constant butting heads, he considered him a close friend, and Cap's choosing Bucky over him, which makes sense considering his past history with both characters. The rest of the characters just pick sides based off of what they thought was right.

And even though the ending was somewhat weak, at least they didn't walk it back immediately like BvS did. BvS does have good moments (Batfleck is awesome) but it is still incredibly flawed.
 
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Professor Beef

Banned
RobotNinjaHornets said:
It's 1AM and I am tired

I thought someone else would pick up the slack >_>

*goes to bed*

EDIT: And going back to something I said a while ago, what would arguing actually achieve? I mean, I might think his opinion is weird and bad, but arguing it isn't going to change anything. He's free to like BvS more than Avengers and Civil War, just as I'm free to think he's crazy for doing so. *shrug*
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Because, and this isn't calling you out specifically so don't get it twisted, people going "omg how dare you" and other stuff in lieu of actually providing a counterpoint is a gigantic pet peeve of mine. People never bother to try to pick my brain during my days as The Worst™ because they were so shocked that I would DARE think that "_____ is not that great" or whatever. It's completely lazy and shows a lack of thought or acceptance.
 
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zeemumu

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Misha said:
At least it had a villain that came up with a real plan
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He had no plan. He had ideas with no end goals. The Civil War villain had no intention of escaping that situation alive and wasn't the main focus because it was a civil war, and he only served to amplify that conflict.
 
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Bko

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How many people did I stalk and add on Facebook yesterday? I shouldn't drink that early. And then all the drama with Jobbs taking trab over me, I'll just cry again 😢
 
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