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[ZeroX03]

Fallon doesn't have the writers or the chops for "more political."

This annoys me, there's actually been some pretty great writers go through Fallon. They're all writing to his voice, that's the issue.

 

[oneils]

much better

he's much more comfortable in the position, and the writing is great

Colbert was pretty rough the first few months

Thanks, maybe I'll check it out.

 

[SeanC]

This annoys me, there's actually been some pretty great writers go through Fallon. They're all writing to his voice, that's the issue.

Let me rephrase, he doesn't have the "writing." He has a specific style of delivery and his writers can't readjust that to something else at this point or change up the tone.

Plus a lot of the writers are stuck doing Fallon's same bits over and over again.

 

[Meowster]

Colbert deserves this. Fallon just comes off as fake and awkward in everything he does. He was a terrible host at the Golden Globes this year (which was even more noticeable because Kimmel nailed it at the Oscars).

 

[SolicitorPirate]

As a liberal person, I see more and more liberals motivated by pure hate and fear, hyper-sensitivity and in-fighting.

Get rid of the in fighting and I'm happy with that.

 

[norinrad]

I never liked the guy. He's not even funny. Bring back Leno.

 

[Jombie]

Contrasting Fallon's socio-political commentary to Colbert's would be like comparing Arbor Mist to a nice, aged pinot noir.

 

[rekameohs]

I'm still salty about Conan tbh

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Thank you for taking the time to respond. Opening up a dialogue about these topics is how we grow as people, as opposed to many of the juvenile tactics utilized throughout this thread in order to silence those who they disagree with.

Fallon didn't challenge Trump because that's not his role. Thats something Colbert would do, and that's why people watch his show and why it's winning in ratings. It's a reflection of what people want. Fallon was never political, so it's unreasonable to expect him to suddenly become political during that interview. It's about adhering to the tone and theme of his show because thats business, that's television; you give people who you think they want. At one point, Fallon's show was what people wanted. In today's America, this is no longer the case. That's not Jimmy's fault, and I don't think he will successfully compete with Colbert politically because he's not built for that. He's an SNL comedian. Expecting Fallon to challenge Trump on political topics when he has no prior history of doing so was the mistake of the viewers and those who opposed the interview afterwards, not Jimmy.

I can meet you halfway concerning your second point. Not everyone has the time to do their own extensive political research, you're right, but we also live in a time where people are bombarded with many different types of media. If Fallon was all they watched, then sure, but that is highly unlikely in a time where everyone has a supercomputer in their pocket providing an endless stream of news and information. Fallon is but one small piece in that much larger pile.

Trump's ideas are dangerous, certainly. That cannot be denied. But what makes them dangerous? What do sexism and racism have in common? Hate, anger, blame etc. I agree that we must hold people accountable, but Jimmy Fallon? Really? The American people are wasting their energy attacking Jimmy Fallon? I have never seen a community that reacts so strongly to things they disagree with and subsequently do NOTHING in order to change it. This community has a lot of misguided and misused passion. Passion is good, but using it to direct needless anger and hate towards Fallon is doing absolutely nothing for the country or its people, and truthfully, you're using the same tools as Trump in order to "recruit" those who agree with you. Hate is the vessel that Trump used to win because it works; hate is inherent in all of us and can easily be exploited. Youre no better than his supporters, or him, by just spreading more hate and anger. You fuel the fire from which this entire disaster unravelled in the first place. I wish people would stop needlessly insulting and wishing failure upon those who they disagree with or don't like. How is that, fundamentally, different than Trump? Let us suppose that Fallon was not just a man, but a group of people, and you treated them the same way (with hatred and insults), how do you expect them to react? Are they not justified in retaliating for what they feel is a personal attack against them? Can you not see the vicious cycle this creates? It's sad. Thread after thread on this forum just devolves into incessant vitriol and nothing good ever comes of it. Youre all just fuelling eachothers fires and breeding more hate, eventually turning you into the same group of people that you so passionately dislike and disagree with. How do you think it starts? Only way to beat them is to be better than them. Being pricks and bullies are not as bad as sexism and racism, no, but youre still an asshole. Two different sides of the same coin.

Lemme guess, someone in your family or circle of friends voted for Trump and now you take it personally when his supporters are rightfully recognized as dumb

You could be making lives better as you've proclaimed to be your true calling but instead you're defending the honor of Jimmy Fallon


Ed: wait, you're not even American? Lmao what a maroon

 

[PopeReal]

"Main stream media that normalizes hate and fear isn't the problem, you guys are the problem."

Sounds legit.

 

[Vorheez]

Get rid of the in fighting and I'm happy with that.

What? How? Did you not read my post?

 

[Mechazawa]

Fallon talking politics. Can't wait for that trainwreck.

 

[Vorheez]

Lemme guess, someone in your family or circle of friends voted for Trump and now you take it personally when his supporters are rightfully recognized as dumb

You could be making lives better as you've proclaimed to be your true calling but instead you're defending the honor of Jimmy Fallon

I'm a counsellor at my local community college and am finishing a Masters in psychology. There is truth in what I'm saying, but you dont care to hear it because it doesn't fit your narrative about how things work. You are too narrow minded in thinking that I'm simply defending Fallon, when I'm actually arguing for something far more important and bigger than Fallon. This thread is just a good example of what I'm talking about, and frankly, I'm sick of reading all of the hateful garbage you guys post and then pretend like you're better than other people.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I'm a counsellor at my local community college and am finishing a Masters in psychology. There is truth in what I'm saying, but you dont care to hear it because it doesn't fit your narrative about how things work. You are too narrow minded in thinking that I'm defending Fallon, when I'm actually arguing for something far more important and bigger than Fallon. This thread is just a good example of what I'm talking about, and frankly, I'm sick of reading all of the hateful garbage you guys post and then pretend like you're better than other people.

hmm

You guys hate on this guy way too much. He is nice to trump in person, seems like something he would do for a lot of people even if he doesn't agree with them. I get that you guys want him to hate on trump and pull down his pants and rub his ass on trumps head but I dont think jimmy wants to treat anyone badly and thats all

I don't hate Fallon, he's inconsequential. Actually I think he could use that bit of self-deprecating humor to regain some goodwill.

I don't really want to seem him do anything because it's not like I'd watch ::yeshrug::

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I'm a counsellor at my local community college and am finishing a Masters in psychology. There is truth in what I'm saying, but you dont care to hear it because it doesn't fit your narrative about how things work. You are too narrow minded in thinking that I'm simply defending Fallon, when I'm actually arguing for something far more important and bigger than Fallon. This thread is just a good example of what I'm talking about, and frankly, I'm sick of reading all of the hateful garbage you guys post and then pretend like you're better than other people.

People don't give a shit about psychology. And if your classes taught you anything it's that they only believe as they have seen. Every time I bring it up on only see wat here on gaf.

But also we k kw all of it doesn't matter to a point. The true base line of psychology is understanding just how much is it all is actually subjective

 

[Jack The Nipper]

hmm



I don't hate Fallon, he's inconsequential. Actually I think he could use that bit of self-deprecating humor to regain some goodwill.

I don't really want to seem him do anything because it's not like I'd watch ::yeshrug::

I don't watch the show but I do watch the football games and stuff on yt a bit. Some of them id definitely play. If some folks say the same about any host or even trump if say the same. You can disagree with what people are without doing what they do to show it. Being like them in one's dislike seems backwards and weak

 

[SolicitorPirate]

What? How? Did you not read my post?

I did.

I've believed for some time that liberals are too idealistic and lack a killing instinct. That's all fine and good when the opposing party is similarly idealistic, and everyone treats each other as a friend who wants the best for the country but simply disagrees on how to get there. If that was ever a reality in politics, it certainly hasn't been for many years.

The GOP blatantly plays dirty, and has now castrated itself before a horrifically unqualified President. They serve an electorate fundamentally disengaged from reality to a degree that is not just harmful to the US, but to the world.

The stakes are too high to play nice and assume the other guy will to. Especially when he hasn't reciprocated in years. My greatest hope is that liberals learn and internalize the value of pragmatism, if not outright cruelty. When the GOP stumbles and falls, I don't want liberals to be idiots offering a helping hand. I want them to curbstomp them into the dirt.

 

[Rumblebones]

Fallon's insincerity is off putting. Perhaps if he wore shock collar to zap him every time he gave a fake laugh he'd improve as a host and interviewer.

 

[miller.skippins]

i prefer the Stephen Colbert from The Colbert report than the current Colbert..

Also, i prefer Conan..

 

[Vorheez]

hmm



I don't hate Fallon, he's inconsequential. Actually I think he could use that bit of self-deprecating humor to regain some goodwill.

I don't really want to seem him do anything because it's not like I'd watch ::yeshrug::

I wont deny that I have my own narrative here, all people do, but when my narrative maintains that "hate gets you no where," how can anyone oppose that? And would you not agree that if we had two people: one was hateful, the other wasn't, that one would be "better" than the other? Not better in the sense that his/her life is more valued, but better with regards to what they contribute to the world? I'm not saying im better than anyone here right now because I have a lot of personal growth to experience and I've made mistakes, but I certainly aspire to be better than the hateful, ignorant, and deplorable people that plague the world by doing more harm than good. I won't be like them and i won't participate in their disparaging of other people, because as I've said before, that just places someone a few steps away from being a racist or sexist who disparages others based on sex and race. You've just found something "safer" (with regards to what is socially/politically appropriate) to disparage someone for. It's all coming from the same place though.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

I wont deny that I have my own narrative here, all people do, but when my narrative maintains that "hate gets you no where," how can anyone oppose that? And would you not agree that if we had two people: one was hateful, the other wasn't, that one would be "better" than the other? Not better in the sense that his/her life is more valued, but better with regards to what they contribute to the world? I'm not saying im better than anyone here right now because I have a lot of personal growth to experience and I've made mistakes, but I certainly aspire to be better than the hateful, ignorant, and deplorable people that plague the world by doing more harm than good. I won't be like them and i won't participate in their disparaging of other people, because as I've said before, that just places someone a few steps away from being a racist or sexist who disparages others based on sex and race. You've just found something "safer" (with regards to what is socially/politically appropriate) to disparage someone for. It's all coming from the same place though.

I think you should go back and read the posts you wrote in response to people in this thread.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

Even trump is thinking "this fucking idiot…".

 

[SolidChamp]

This thread is missing the meme images from another thread of Fallon cracking up before the joke is even told/finished.

Disappointed.

 

[DJKhaled]

Let it die, Fallon, and go away.

You know, you don't have to watch it.

I get the fallon hate for the Trump thing but besides that I don't get it. Yeah his show is sugar coated and inoffensive but sometimes that's nice to fall asleep to rather than politics. Both styles of show have a place on TV.

 

[The Kree]

White supremacists take over the government and proceed to throw the entire country into the bushes.

"Hate gets you nowhere."

 

[krazen]

White supremacists take over the government and proceed to throw the entire country into the bushes.

"Hate gets you nowhere."

Im confused.

Like, lets take a few steps back. We had 8 years of where any progressive ideas were seen as anti-american, socialist, EVIL (death panels!) and where any resistance was met with a snide, "All lives matter" and "Occupy Wallstreet is a bunch of people who just want handouts".

Then suddenly making the logical assumption that people who voted for someone who made xenophobia the main part of his platform are fucked up...

WOAH WOAH WOAH BRO. STOP THAT HATE

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

White supremacists take over the government and proceed to throw the entire country into the bushes.

"Hate gets you nowhere."

What they mean is "hating white supremacists gets you nowhere."

Hating as a white supremacist gets you the White House!

 

[Caja 117]

Colbert has a Wilcard.....Jhon Stewart, you have him radomly apperaring every once and a while is something no other show will be able to surpass.

 

[smurfx]

Not only this, but it has the risk of driving away viewers who like him at least in part because he doesn't delve much into politics in the first place. And if the increased emphasis on political jokes and satire doesn't make up for those that turn away, then obviously he's even worse off.

he draws from the same pool as ellen does. people tune into their show for lighthearted humor and not politics. colbert might be picking up a lot of the daily show old viewers and new viewers thanks to trumps rise.

 

[Vorheez]

I did.

I've believed for some time that liberals are too idealistic and lack a killing instinct. That's all fine and good when the opposing party is similarly idealistic, and everyone treats each other as a friend who wants the best for the country but simply disagrees on how to get there. If that was ever a reality in politics, it certainly hasn't been for many years.

The GOP blatantly plays dirty, and has now castrated itself before a horrifically unqualified President. They serve an electorate fundamentally disengaged from reality to a degree that is not just harmful to the US, but to the world.

The stakes are too high to play nice and assume the other guy will to. Especially when he hasn't reciprocated in years. My greatest hope is that liberals learn and internalize the value of pragmatism, if not outright cruelty. When the GOP stumbles and falls, I don't want liberals to be idiots offering a helping hand. I want them to curbstomp them into the dirt.

I certainly understand the concern about playing nice with a group of people who are cut throat by nature, that's a losing battle from the onset, but I think this is a difference in perspective about what exactly we are combating here. Like that saying, "are we in it to win the battle, or to win the war", I view it as a war of ideology, and a war about how to best live one's life. The GOP adhere to a very individualistic philosophy; everyone is out for themselves and they'll step over anyone to get there. Sure, they aren't above helping others, but only if that serves to help them in the future somehow. It's a selfish and self-serving philosophy which creates a "me first" attitude that helps contribute to the problems of racism and sexism. People begin to see others as means to reaching their own ends, rather than people who have ends of their own. People become tools and objects for others success. I consider this ideology poisonous, obviously, and it can spread to the foundation of a country like the roots of a tree. Cutting the tree down may help to reduce some of the hate, the kind of hate that's visible, but as soon as someone fertalizes those roots and gives them life again (bare with me through this analogy haha), a new tree will rise to reveal that the hateful thinking and attitudes never left. It was always there. You need to change the roots of the country, it's foundation, in order to see any meaningful long lasting changes. This is where my belief that refusing to reciprocate their hate allows us to stand seperate from and above them in order to set an example of how things should be. We need to uproot the country and lay our own roots of love, positivity, and compassion. Hate just breeds more hate.

I hope that made some sense, it's difficult articulating that idea.

 

[Vorheez]

I think you should go back and read the posts you wrote in response to people in this thread.

When you decide to oppose the majority with your own beliefs, you need to come out strong or your voice won't be heard. Asking politely for others to consider your opinions in a climate like this is impossible. People will take advantage of and expose your weakness (or just ignore you). Coming off strong got attention and reactions, which then opened up a dialogue, and that's all I care about. I may not have changed anybody's mind today, but getting people thinking is sometimes all that's important.

Maybe i didn't even do that, but whatever. I tried.

 

[Fat4all]

Nintendo promos lol

 

[pixelation]

Those gifs should be considered NSFL. Makes me want to puke every time.

Agreed, looks like Easy D's scalp is about to roll back.

 

[pixelation]

I'm a counsellor at my local community college and am finishing a Masters in psychology. There is truth in what I'm saying, but you dont care to hear it because it doesn't fit your narrative about how things work. You are too narrow minded in thinking that I'm simply defending Fallon, when I'm actually arguing for something far more important and bigger than Fallon. This thread is just a good example of what I'm talking about, and frankly, I'm sick of reading all of the hateful garbage you guys post and then pretend like you're better than other people.

I bet you can tell what a thread is about before you click it open so... why click it if the subject rubs you the wrong way?.

Edit: Shit... DP.

 

[King Tubby]

I disliked Fallon before any of the Trump fellating, which by the way should have surprised nobody. He's always been bland and insincere and OH SO EXCITED ABOUT EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. Gosh, you're just my favorite person in the whole wide world and you're so funny and aren't we so friendly and happy?

I miss Letterman's barely disguised contempt. Conan's self-effacing absurd wackiness was a lot more effective before he went to TBS (although he still has his moments).

 

[Slayven]

When corny Fallon is your base for making a difference, you got problems.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Wow, feels like I am watching Fallon!

 

[Vorheez]

I bet you can tell what a thread is about before you click it open so... why click it if the subject rubs you the wrong way?.

Edit: Shit... DP.

I dunno, what else am I gonna do when I'm bored? Haha but seriously, it's far more prevalent across a wide range of different topics thank you think. It's an attitude here.

 

[HiResDes]

When you decide to oppose the majority with your own beliefs, you need to come out strong or your voice won't be heard. Asking politely for others to consider your opinions in a climate like this is impossible. People will take advantage of and expose your weakness (or just ignore you). Coming off strong got attention and reactions, which then opened up a dialogue, and that's all I care about. I may not have changed anybody's mind today, but getting people thinking is sometimes all that's important.

Maybe i didn't even do that, but whatever. I tried.

Consider your perspective and mindset in here, as it almost directly parallels with the collective state of progressive ideology in the western world. Your reasoning for coming out strong is the same as many liberal citizens opposing the sweeping threat of alt right nationalism in their respective countries.

 

[massoluk]

I remember watching Fallon the first time and surprised by his seemingly disgenuine laughs and his lame jokes. And my standard was quite low considering I was able to tolerate Jay Leno.

Well I did enjoy some of his celebrity photobomb segments.

 

[Got]

stahp!!!! he doesn't deserve thisSSSSSSS!!!!!

 

[fester]

There is truth in what I'm saying..You are too narrow minded ...something far more important and bigger .

I'm sick of reading all of the hateful garbage you guys post and then pretend like you're better than other people.

When you're done telling everyone else about their small minds and inability to understand your lofty, grandiose points, maybe you'll get around to explaining exactly who is thinking they are better than everyone else.

P.S. Fuck Fallon

 

[Tangled Up in Blue]

"Come on, guys, Nazis are just lovable scamps trying to have a little fun."

"I mean, just look at these mischievous little rascals."

Spoiler

Choke on your own vomit, Fallon, you spineless little weasel

 

[Fat4all]

P.S. Fuck Fallon

YOU SMALL MINDED GARBAGE

 

[Got]

"Come on, guys, Nazis are just lovable scamps trying to have a little fun."

"I mean, just look at these mischievous little rascals."

Spoiler

Choke on your own vomit, Fallon, you spineless little weasel

jackthenipper would've hugged Hitler to try and fix him, lol

 

[Vorheez]

Consider your perspective and mindset in here, as it almost directly parallels with the collective state of progressive ideology in the western world. Your reasoning for coming out strong is the same as many liberal citizens opposing the sweeping threat of alt right nationalism in their respective countries.

This is true, and I'm not discouraging people from being passionate and "aggressive" about their beliefs. It's incredibly important that people stand their ground and make their voices heard, especially in today's world, but how you decide to make your voice heard is equally important. People have every right to oppose Jimmy Fallon's decision to have Trump on his show (using this example to stay on topic), and I encourage them to stand up for that belief, but when you resort to insults and wishing failure on other people because of a disagreement then youre doing more harm than good.

If we examine the example, what is it about having Trump on Fallon's show that people disagree with? I don't want to make assumptions about others beliefs, but I'm willing to guess that it's because it appeared as if Jimmy was supporting a man who has disgusting beliefs and poses a real threat to the people of this country. People felt that Jimmy, as an American, had a responsibility to the people of the country not to support someone like that. This is fair. But what about Trump's beliefs are disgusting? The hateful rhetoric he spews. If it was all love, people would think Trump was great, but it's the hate he spreads that's the problem (obviously). Now, opposing that is great, but when you oppose it with more hate then you're not helping anything. Hating on Fallon and insulting him because he "supported" a man that hates/insults others is the problem here. It's borderline hypocritical.

 

[Vorheez]

When you're done telling everyone else about their small minds and inability to understand your lofty, grandiose points, maybe you'll get around to explaining exactly who is thinking they are better than everyone else.

P.S. Fuck Fallon

How about actually contributing something

 

[Fat4all]

Hating on Fallon and insulting him because he "supported" a man that hates/insults others is the problem here. It's borderline hypocritical.

If he had never done the Trump interview, I still would hate Fallon.

The Trump interview is just an accoutrement to me.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

It hurts him the late late show does better with it's "we have no writers let's just have celebs just sing" and other nonsense

 

[Vorheez]

If he had never done the Trump interview, I still would hate Fallon.

The Trump interview is just an accoutrement to me.

Good for you man.

I don't know why you continue to seek my attention/approval over these last few pages, but here you go