sturgboski
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Well when you have a President and base that has given rise to hate of the other that has resulted in numerous deaths and assaults since the election, what do you expect?
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Well when you have a President and base that has given rise to hate of the other that has resulted in numerous deaths and assaults since the election, what do you expect?
FunkyMunkey
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he's an influential celebrity with a primetime spot who treated the dangerous and cancerous human tumor known as trump with kid gloves and behaved like a bro with him. no, many of us weren't expecting (or wanting) fallon to stand on his desk and piss on trump, but seeing him build trump up to be some sort of just-like-you person who means to do well is absolute dangerous bullshit. all while laughing like an overexcited toddler who heard his dad fart. feel free to retort or respond with whatever the fuck you want, but that gif of fallon tussling the hair of a smiling trump is all that needs to be posted back to you
I don't know what his ratings are, but her certainly deserves better ratings than this turd. He's on TBS
Ryouji Gunblade
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Sometimes I wonder if Fallon laughs in his sleep. Like, instead of snoring.
Colbert is the rightful winner.
Colbert is the rightful winner.
Jack The Nipper
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This hate has been happening long before trump. I went to middle school and high school after all.
This hate happens in tons of threads and has happened here long before trump as well.
I am a believer that even the worse of things is better dear with without hate though. Hate isn't really helping. Or does hurting Jimmy fix things?
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
He should double-down and focus on retaining his core audience who don't care about politics. Once Trump pivots then he can just sit back and build on the stable base he's nurtured as the droves of humanity whose political concerns have been quailed stamped back into his loving arms.
SkyMasterson
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Ninja Scooter
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Glad to see Colbert doing so well! Bravo!
As for Fallon? He's a decent enough dude, but he won't be living down that Trump interview for a while, and he certainly doesn't have the chops to do quality political comedy. Colbert and even Meyers run circles around him. He needs to adapt, but adapt in a way that suits his skill set. Trying to become a political comedian out of the blue will he disastrous for him. He needs to sit down think long and hard about how to leverage his natural inclinations and interests into an entertaining late night show. He has an audience, this is clear. Now maximize content for that audience, and don't try to pilfer from Colbert.
The world has changed, and not for the better. Doesn't mean light hearted people like Fallon aren't wanted or needed. He needs to be better, especially if he wants to keep his show. Stop being such a fucking seal.
As for Fallon? He's a decent enough dude, but he won't be living down that Trump interview for a while, and he certainly doesn't have the chops to do quality political comedy. Colbert and even Meyers run circles around him. He needs to adapt, but adapt in a way that suits his skill set. Trying to become a political comedian out of the blue will he disastrous for him. He needs to sit down think long and hard about how to leverage his natural inclinations and interests into an entertaining late night show. He has an audience, this is clear. Now maximize content for that audience, and don't try to pilfer from Colbert.
The world has changed, and not for the better. Doesn't mean light hearted people like Fallon aren't wanted or needed. He needs to be better, especially if he wants to keep his show. Stop being such a fucking seal.
Hahaha, some of you guys are so ignorant that you don't even realize that you're a part of the problem in your country. Your attitudes helped breed the environment that allowed Trump to take office. Keep on spewing hateful garbage and hiding on a forum to have your "beliefs" heard by anyone who will listen.
Fight that good fight! One late night host at a time!
Fight that good fight! One late night host at a time!
FunkyMunkey
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trump: "I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn't get there, and she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she's now got the big phony tits and everything. I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."
fallon:
has fallon called you back yet?
fallon:
has fallon called you back yet?
And let's not forget the OP Topic, which is why I'm annoyed and explains some of the venom right now (because some seem to not get that). All of a sudden he wants to be political? Give me a break. Between Oliver, Bee, Meyers and Colbert who wants to hear anything Fallon has to say or would even remotely take him seriously at this point?
Fallon has a schtick, he goes to it every time with the three impressions he has, some slightly ok singing and games his producers came up with (and sometimes a Timberlake appearance), he can't do a 180 because a) way too late at this point and b) he can't hack it.
I don't think anyone here legit "Hates" Jimmy, we're just expressing our distain for him and his take on late night that is pretty one-note and that rolls into hyperbole. People here can express their dislike of the guy and still have opinions views of other more important things, it's not all or nothing like Jimmy fucking Fallon is going to be the hill someone will die on.
Jack The Nipper
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Well, hillary told him to do it so should she get the same hate as Jimmy? Where is her backlash for her being not only ok with it but pushing for it?
That's silly as well. I mean if you guys want to yell for Jimmy go suck things and lose his show them that's fine. But the hate against people isn't going to stop there. Will just find someone else to be mean to.
People have feelings and it seems many don't care
Jack The Nipper
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And I do agree with this. The hate is fed to the children and is a much bigger problem than trump and Jimmy Fallon. The influence of being jerky is what causes bullying in school and fighting.
Living in china for six years has showed me how messed up people are in thinking they are better than others cause in china they don't talk about people in this manner. They drop things and don't care so it shows me that we don't always have to be angry, fight and care what people do or say so much.
We don't have to care these things so much, that's the issue. People can't stop themselves and it isn't our faults honestly it's ideas that are given to us but if we just see that we can make a bit of a change
I'm European so I can't watch the shows live, but I'm a loyal follower of the Colbert opening monologues on youtube. They're great and part of my routine that consists of the Seth Myers closer looks, John Oliver, bits of Trevor Noah and Samantha Bee. I'm glad yt exists so I can get my fill of this stuff.
Fallon on the other hand I don't care that much for.
Fallon on the other hand I don't care that much for.
I'm imagining some of the scenarios AM would run him through. Forcing him to justify his existence to a deific version of Conan Obrien... endless reshoots of the movie Taxi with guest star Queen Latifah... having to relive being the least memorable part of More Cowbell...
I care about the world, that doesn't make it a movie.
Fallon certainly didn't challenge Trump's beliefs. And yeah, Trump got elected, so the American population do take their cues from places they shouldn't.
And people are busy, leading hectic lives. People worry about how they are going to feed their families from day to day, so many do just inform themselves with the media they consume without digging deeper. So if a Presidential candidate promises to make America great again, while a lovable talk show host pats his head, that is going to have an affect on a subset of people.
Also, let me point out. I don't dislike Trump because I disagree with him. I dislike him because he's going to responsible for untold amounts if damage if he gets through what he wants to. Trump wasn't exactly hiding his policies as a Presidential candidate, he wasn't a TV star anymore either, but running for the most powerful office in the world.
And no one individual is responsible for him. But we should still hold the feet everyone who who was a part of that to the fire, which as you admitted, Fallon undoubtedly was.
CopperPuppy
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LOL. Dude, you need to settle down. Its OK for people to not like Jimmy Fallon or have negative opinions of his Trump interview. Going to bat for him so hard isn't necessary.
We Brits are sorry for dropping off Corden at your shores, America. But keep him, he fits the shallow entertainment business
We'll never forgive you for Piers.
Never.
I've no beef with Fallon. I think some of the mini games he puts in are fun, and his segments with the school musical instruments are great.
However, Fallon doesn't have the personality for a late night host. He absolutely has it for a game show though. He's pretty good at that. But most of his comedy comes from other people and not necessarily him. He is loved by celebrities well before his current time slot.
Colbert beating Fallon doesn't surprise me. Before Trump, Colbert was having a really hard time getting comfortable with the new show - it was awkward. He just wasn't comfortable to watch. Trump changed this though, and thanks to that Colbert has tons upon tons of material he is comfortable with.
So yeah, telling Fallon to eat shit is just stupid. He isn't a bad guy at all, but he really is out of place in the show he is in. Give him a game show and he'll do fantastic.
However, Fallon doesn't have the personality for a late night host. He absolutely has it for a game show though. He's pretty good at that. But most of his comedy comes from other people and not necessarily him. He is loved by celebrities well before his current time slot.
Colbert beating Fallon doesn't surprise me. Before Trump, Colbert was having a really hard time getting comfortable with the new show - it was awkward. He just wasn't comfortable to watch. Trump changed this though, and thanks to that Colbert has tons upon tons of material he is comfortable with.
So yeah, telling Fallon to eat shit is just stupid. He isn't a bad guy at all, but he really is out of place in the show he is in. Give him a game show and he'll do fantastic.
maximum360
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Ha. It just means he's the perfect replacement for Jay Leno. Either way, Colbert is so much better than Fallon. Congrats to Colbert.
Lol really? You're going to tell us that we are what's wrong with our country because we don't like Fallon? Have you ever even been to the USA, or have you spent a couple years here studying how all the deplorable who voted for Trump correlate very strongly with people who don't like Fallon?
You're off the deep end, friendo
Sato Koiji
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That pressure is gonna do wonders for his drinking habit.
SolicitorPirate
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The lesson I learned from 2016 is that hate is a powerful tool and motivator.
To be honest, my fear isn't that liberals are becoming hateful. My fear is that hate won't motivate their political actions.
We don't need hate to motivate liberals. Liberals are motivated by hope and love. That's where you got it wrong.
Great for Colbert, he's awesome.
Not a fan of Jimmy Fallon at all.
...wtf am I reading.
Not a fan of Jimmy Fallon at all.
...wtf am I reading.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. Opening up a dialogue about these topics is how we grow as people, as opposed to many of the juvenile tactics utilized throughout this thread in order to silence those who they disagree with.
Fallon didn't challenge Trump because that's not his role. Thats something Colbert would do, and that's why people watch his show and why it's winning in ratings. It's a reflection of what people want. Fallon was never political, so it's unreasonable to expect him to suddenly become political during that interview. It's about adhering to the tone and theme of his show because thats business, that's television; you give people who you think they want. At one point, Fallon's show was what people wanted. In today's America, this is no longer the case. That's not Jimmy's fault, and I don't think he will successfully compete with Colbert politically because he's not built for that. He's an SNL comedian. Expecting Fallon to challenge Trump on political topics when he has no prior history of doing so was the mistake of the viewers and those who opposed the interview afterwards, not Jimmy.
I can meet you halfway concerning your second point. Not everyone has the time to do their own extensive political research, you're right, but we also live in a time where people are bombarded with many different types of media. If Fallon was all they watched, then sure, but that is highly unlikely in a time where everyone has a supercomputer in their pocket providing an endless stream of news and information. Fallon is but one small piece in that much larger pile.
Trump's ideas are dangerous, certainly. That cannot be denied. But what makes them dangerous? What do sexism and racism have in common? Hate, anger, blame etc. I agree that we must hold people accountable, but Jimmy Fallon? Really? The American people are wasting their energy attacking Jimmy Fallon? I have never seen a community that reacts so strongly to things they disagree with and subsequently do NOTHING in order to change it. This community has a lot of misguided and misused passion. Passion is good, but using it to direct needless anger and hate towards Fallon is doing absolutely nothing for the country or its people, and truthfully, you're using the same tools as Trump in order to "recruit" those who agree with you. Hate is the vessel that Trump used to win because it works; hate is inherent in all of us and can easily be exploited. Youre no better than his supporters, or him, by just spreading more hate and anger. You fuel the fire from which this entire disaster unravelled in the first place. I wish people would stop needlessly insulting and wishing failure upon those who they disagree with or don't like. How is that, fundamentally, different than Trump? Let us suppose that Fallon was not just a man, but a group of people, and you treated them the same way (with hatred and insults), how do you expect them to react? Are they not justified in retaliating for what they feel is a personal attack against them? Can you not see the vicious cycle this creates? It's sad. Thread after thread on this forum just devolves into incessant vitriol and nothing good ever comes of it. Youre all just fuelling eachothers fires and breeding more hate, eventually turning you into the same group of people that you so passionately dislike and disagree with. How do you think it starts? Only way to beat them is to be better than them. Being pricks and bullies are not as bad as sexism and racism, no, but youre still an asshole. Two different sides of the same coin.
Mechanized
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How do you take over for Leno and not want to do political humor?
I'm not a Fallon hater but he got the Leno bump, Leno was popular (whether we like it or not) and he just got the spot (without a pre-show bullshit thing that Conan had). Whoever took that slot was always going to fare well.
Now that we've had a political existential crisis with Trump, naturally Colbert is where people are going to tune. And Fallon is not going to be able to channel that. At all.
Now that we've had a political existential crisis with Trump, naturally Colbert is where people are going to tune. And Fallon is not going to be able to channel that. At all.
SolicitorPirate
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Exactly. And that's why we keep doing dumb shit and losing winnable battles.
On gaming side sort of. The people who frequent Off topic regularly have limited their exposure to gaming outside E3.
fallon: *slams desk laughing*
Mechanized
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As a liberal person, I see more and more liberals motivated by pure hate and fear, hyper-sensitivity and in-fighting.
Yep.
PastorOfMuppets
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I'm gonna take it a bit easy on Jimmy here (like he did with Trump - hey-oh!). I think Fallon just suffers from being a comedian for a less politically charged time. Part of the reason why I think Leno was so popular with his safe, generic comedy was because it happened during the 90's. We beat Communism, the economy was rolling, the US was paying off the principal of its national debt and the hot political topic at the time was Clinton's dick.
Fallon would be perfect for that time period but right now his demographic wants to talk about Trump.
It's kind of like how Yakoff Smirnoff "In Soviet Russia...." jokes became tired after the Soviet Union fell.
Fallon would be perfect for that time period but right now his demographic wants to talk about Trump.
It's kind of like how Yakoff Smirnoff "In Soviet Russia...." jokes became tired after the Soviet Union fell.
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