Fallout 4 - PS4 screenshots (now feat. PNGs)

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I pray to the gods the last of us 2,mass effect 4(i cant remember that name for shit) gta vi,and any other big series with a godly following gets everything right because the amount of defense force,hyperbole,shitposts..from BOTH sides has been terrible
 
Banjo-Kazooie said:
Yep lmao. Been funny to see all the 180s
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What's funny? Are people supposed to stay adamant about something when provided evidence of an opposing view? In any case, it wasn't the only image people judged things off of.

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
I pray to the gods the last of us 2,mass effect 4(i cant remember that name for shit) gta vi,and any other big series with a godly following gets everything right because the amount of defense force,hyperbole,shitposts..from BOTH sides has been terrible
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Wait for that uncharted 4 thread.
 
CyberPunked said:
He's comparing the visuals, not the games. There is no argument that FO4 on PS4 looks more impressive than TLOU, U3 or GoW, because it doesn't.
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What I was touching on is the qualities that 'previous gen' has become as a catch-all term for.

The screenshots were to illustrate some better examples of the perception of previous gen, rather than the FO3/Skyrim/Oblivion level that it was being compared to. The scope and limitations of the games themselves weren't the point of comparison, it was merely meant as a general visual impression of what the previous gen is imagined as to many.

FO4 clearly looks far better than the examples but has some characteristics that remind people of previous gen games, which is why so many have used the term. As a term it has become a shortcut for several qualities, essentially, and usually isn't meant in the strict literal sense.

What the game shares with other standout games is excellent art direction that compensates for some of its shortcomings. Personally I consider the visuals a success from that perspective and will no doubt look even nicer on PC with tweaks. It's a good looking game though ultimately it's still running on a modified Skyrim engine. There's only so much to expect.

The problem with GAF graphics threads is they almost always disolve into binary arguments, tl;dr replies and whathaveyou. There are a spectrum of opinions one can have even about games you like as Durante pointed out.
 
Blackleg-sanji1 said:
I pray to the gods the last of us 2,mass effect 4(i cant remember that name for shit) gta vi,and any other big series with a godly following gets everything right because the amount of defense force,hyperbole,shitposts..from BOTH sides has been terrible
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I have found it highly amusing to be honest.
 
Trace said:
Simple: There aren't any. I can't think of anyone that is actually a Fallout fan that would not play a new Fallout game just because it looks worse than some other games.
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Conclusion: the people saying they won't be purchasing Fallout 4 because of the graphics were never going to purchase it anyway.

So what's the point of this discussion then?

I mean, at least there was a point to the big Witcher 3 downgrade debate. There actually was a downgrade. CDPR lied through their teeth by presenting us with ridiculous promotional material. Here, there's no downgrade. The game will be exactly as Bethesda presented it.

In fact, what we have on our hands here is an upgrade discussion, since Fallout 4 looks way better than Fallout 3.
 
RichiRamjag said:
What's funny? Are people supposed to stay adamant about something when providing evidence of an opposing view? In any case, it wasn't the only image people judged things off of.



Wait for that uncharted 4 thread.
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Eh the review thread maybe but we already know what the game looks like nd i doubt it gets downgraded
 
Jesus_Christ_Almighty said:
Conclusion: the people saying they won't be purchasing Fallout 4 because of the graphics were never going to purchase it anyway.

So what's the point of this discussion then?

I mean, at least there was a point to the big Witcher 3 downgrade debate. There actually was a downgrade. CDPR lied through their teeth by presenting us with ridiculous promotional material. Here, there's no downgrade. The game will be exactly as Bethesda presented it.

In fact, what we have on our hands here is an upgrade discussion, since Fallout 4 looks way better than Fallout 3.
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What's the point of half of the discussions we have on this forum? It's a forum, we talk about things. I don't get it. Because you're purchase something, you can't critique it?

tuxfool said:
If there is no point in it, why are you here?
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Exactly
 
Jesus_Christ_Almighty said:
Conclusion: the people saying they won't be purchasing Fallout 4 because of the graphics were never going to purchase it anyway.

So what's the point of this discussion then?

I mean, at least there was a point to the big Witcher 3 downgrade debate. There actually was a downgrade. CDPR lied through their teeth by presenting us with ridiculous promotional material. Here, there's no downgrade. The game will be exactly as Bethesda presented it.

In fact, what we have on our hands here is an upgrade discussion, since Fallout 4 looks way better than Fallout 3.
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I've actually been trying to get better at positive re-framing. Thanks for the insight, haha. Indeed, I guess there is a bright side.
 
Jesus_Christ_Almighty said:
Conclusion: the people saying they won't be purchasing Fallout 4 because of the graphics were never going to purchase it anyway.

So what's the point of this discussion then?

I mean, at least there was a point to the big Witcher 3 downgrade debate. There actually was a downgrade. CDPR lied through their teeth by presenting us with ridiculous promotional material. Here, there's no downgrade. The game will be exactly as Bethesda presented it.

In fact, what we have on our hands here is an upgrade discussion, since Fallout 4 looks way better than Fallout 3.
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1st bolded: to discuss how the game looks, the people jumping in here to say thy wont buy is a extreme minority and u guys kno that it happens with every game.

2nd bolded...its a sequel on new hardware i would hope its a upgrade i dont see why that needs maximum praise
 
The game looks good, definitely not the worst looking game i've seen on these consoles, but not the best either, which is really about what I expected. I'd say that, based on some of the PNGs, the game can even be downright pretty.

Personally, I always kind of thought the newer Fallout games looked better than the sum of their parts, if that makes sense. Sure, the textures were muddy, the animations could be rough, and the human character models were weird, but it just became so easy to forget those things while seeing the games in action.
 
benny_a said:
It is an apt point though.

Bethesda did not lie in their promotional material. This is not a given.
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There's as much of a point as there is when Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5's poor graphics are being highlighted in a thread and you (probably) aren't there to defend it.
 
tuxfool said:
Who said they did?
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The poster doesn't understand the huge uproar because unlike CD Projekt RED, Bethesda at no point deceived people into pre-ordering their game.

That point was just handwaved away as if that is not a massive difference. So this schoolyard "but who said they did" is not really some mega gotcha comeback.

Alienous said:
There's as much of a point as there is when Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5's poor graphics are being highlighted in a thread and you (probably) aren't there to defend it.
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So what? I'm not in a lot of threads.

It's a fact that I'm in less than half threads on NeoGAF.com
 
benny_a said:
It is an apt point though.

Bethesda did not lie in their promotional material. This is not a given.
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And I don't remember a large group of people saying they did. Most people had issues with the initial images. They voiced their concerns. Some went a bit far (on both sides) in their critique though. When updated pics came out, most of us were relieved and changed our opinions based on the newer evidence presented, which is a good thing imo. Some still don't like it (as is their right).

I don't see the problem here nor do I understand what Bethesda not lying has to do with people not being satisfied with the graphical upgrades of the game. It makes no difference, people were unhappy with what they saw, the voiced their opinions.
 
benny_a said:
The poster doesn't understand the huge uproar because unlike CD Projekt RED, Bethesda at no point deceived people into pre-ordering their game.

That point was just handwaved away as if that is not a massive difference. So this schoolyard "but who said they did" is not really some mega gotcha comeback.
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eh? He just said it was a discussion forum. We discuss things...

benny_a said:
So what? I'm not in a lot of threads.
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There was plenty of discussion (shitting, lots of memes) on the Tony Hawk stuff and the quality of the graphics there. Why shouldn't there be one for this?
 
Guys, you shouldn't worry about the graphics too much.
In a couple months everyone will be saying Fallout 2 was a better game anyway.
 
Wow, I already knew what was going to happen when in showed 70 pages for this thread. Are people really that upset? Game looks even better than I thought. What a shame that some people can only enjoy games with 2k+ textures and cry engine 3 particle effects or whatever
 
tuxfool said:
eh? He just said it was a discussion forum. We discuss things...
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And I don't stop you from discussing anything.

There is still a qualitative difference between being disappointed in the visuals and a mega corporation deceiving millions of customers for their monetary gains.

One is easier to understand what the fuss is about than the other.

tuxfool said:
There was plenty of discussion (shitting, lots of memes) on the Tony Hawk stuff and the quality of the graphics there. Why shouldn't there be one for this?
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Discuss away. Being baffled by this is a huge thing compared to another thing is not silencing your criticism or your ability to discuss what you want.
 
Hopefully this will be the first Fallout game I get to play. Being more of a Sony guy than Microsoft I didn't touch any of the Fallout games on PS3, hell I didn't touch any of Bethesda's games. Maybe on PS4 this game will run at a solid 30fps.
 
Hado said:
Wow, I already knew what was going to happen when in showed 70 pages for this thread. Are people really that upset? Game looks even better than I thought. What a shame that some people can only enjoy games with 2k+ textures and cry engine 3 particle effects or whatever
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Hado said:
Wow, I already knew what was going to happen when in showed 70 pages for this thread. Are people really that upset? Game looks even better than I thought. What a shame that some people can only enjoy games with 2k+ textures and cry engine 3 particle effects or whatever
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It is a discussion forum. Some people discuss, others harangue each other on both sides of the fence.
 
RichiRamjag said:
What's funny? Are people supposed to stay adamant about something when provided evidence of an opposing view? In any case, it wasn't the only image people judged things off of.
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They'll never get in the elite club reserved for people who thought FO4 looked great from the beginning

Lmao THOSE CHUMPS
 
Nizz said:
Hopefully this will be the first Fallout game I get to play. Being more of a Sony guy than Microsoft I didn't touch any of the Fallout games on PS3, hell I didn't touch any of Bethesda's games. Maybe on PS4 this game will run at a solid 30fps.
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https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/654400850316668930?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Pete Hines
‏@DCDeacon
@Mathew_J_Cooke solid 30 FPS. I play it all the time. I think you'll be pleased.
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The PS4 is essentially a PC with mountains easier development compared to the PS3. Those comparisons should not longer be applied anymore, it really is apples to oranges.
 
At any moment I feel like people are going to bust out the broken bottles and crowbars. It's much to soon to go to he mattresses. Clemenza hasn't even finished the spaghetti sauce yet.
 
FO4 is going to be a good game and the graphics are serviceable. Not much else I can say about it.

I'm not going to get hung up on the visuals.
 
Alienous said:
horrible low res table pic.
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So what? There's probably going to be a HD textures package some weeks later anyways. Either that or a mod.

People who buy these type of games on consoles nowadays should already know what they are going to get.

To me buying games like The Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 on PC is the only logical way to do.

I know some can't afford a gaming PC but what did people expect when purchasing a 400$ gaming machine? Yes there are better looking games...but of different size and content. Not every game that is released can look better than the current one's only because it came out later.

I don't even wanna talk about people who call Fallout 4 a "last-gen" game. smh


What really would be interesting is if it would have been possible to up-res the textures from the game and still get a good perfomance.
 
Looks like its upscaled, is this running sub 1080p? Also..what is with developers and having their games default brightness/gamma at such a horrible level that everything looks washed out?

If you combine that with upscaling, it just looks so bad.
 
Man i hope this isn't what i sound like in kingdom hearts threads. I kno i wear rose tinted glasses,put my fingers in my ears and go lalalala when it comes to that series. But that's neither her nor there nd alil off topic.

Fact is some people think it doesn't look to great others do. But i will say these the worst responses ive seen in this thread from both sides.

-its a bethsheda game what do u expect
-looks like a ps2 game
And this one kills me.."i feel sorry for people who only cares about graphics" that adds nothing to the discussion
 
Alienous said:
Go into a room and point a flashlight at things. That doesn't erase all shadows.

It doesn't look good, and the why of it doesn't change that, unless using a Pipboy Flashlight indoors is a unique circumstance.
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DeepEnigma said:
You are joking right?

Use a flashlight in any dark room, tell me objects do not cast any form of shadows?

Hell, go into a fully lit room, and tell me there are no shadows or "AO".

This is really reaching.
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Nice deflection but that's not what the complaints were. They concluded the game has no interior shadows when it's just a side effect of the cheap brightening halo from the pipboy light being turned on by the player who took the shots.

The flashlight making the interior look worse was absolutely not the angle of the discussion earlier in the thread.

The flashlight effect works poorly. It's fine to say so. But don't act like that's what was being discussed and claimed all along when people noticed the shadow issues. Get over the fact that many people feel differently about the visuals having seen the PNGs than they did with the first shots. They changed tune after jumping hard on the game using a limited perspective of the visuals and many have turned their tone around. No need to try and keep being the white knight for the validity of the initial negativity.
 
DOWN said:
okay but this is the same guy who tweeted he played the PS3 games a lot and said you can't tell the difference yet then PS3 was clearly worse than the other platforms
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Hey man, I am just the messenger.

To add however, judging what we know about the PS4, how easy it is to develop for compared to the PS3, how developers were getting PC games up and running with great performance unoptimized before it even launched, usually 95% of the time the better performing box than the competition, etc.

I think I am going to go with that.

DOWN said:
Nice deflection but that's not what the complaints were. They concluded the game has no interior shadows when it's just a side effect of the cheap brightening halo from the pipboy light being turned on by the player who took the shots.
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Not a deflection for me, because I really have not been keeping up with the thread since yesterday because it has been silly on both sides. My complaint, MINE, my own, is that there is a huge lack of AO, even if a slight soft effect... and that kind of break immersion a bit for me.
 
Solid Samus said:
Those games still look great thanks to their art styles, but they don't hold up nearly as well as you think they do, if you actually subject their IQ to any degree of scrutiny.

I'd make the argument that FO4 looks more impressive than those games on PS3 in several important ways, and it runs at 1080p with some solid AA to boot. It kind of blows my mind that you're arguing that 'there's no argument'.

Here's a small handful of Uncharted 3 shots on Digital Foundry for you.
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Not just IQ, it's astounding that people are saying this looks better than FO4.
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It's another example of people forgetting what last gen games actually looked like.

Dot50Cal said:
Looks like its upscaled, is this running sub 1080p? Also..what is with developers and having their games default brightness/gamma at such a horrible level that everything looks washed out?

If you combine that with upscaling, it just looks so bad.
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No, it's 1080p, those first images are just really poor. :/
 
Guys, look, it's really simple. If you think the graphics are bad, and you're buying it on a console, just play the game from third person. I know that's what I'm going to do.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Hey man, I am just the messenger.

To add however, judging what we know about the PS4, how easy it is to develop for compared to the PS3, how developers were getting PC games up and running with great performance unoptimized before it even launched, usually 95% of the time the better performing box than the competition, etc.

I think I am going to go with that.
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I think going with the PS4 being less of a shit show and Bethesda sending out all platform code for reviews (instead of hiding the PS3 version, even for Playstation-centric review sites) is the valid argument.

Pete Hines's word is worth nothing, as he is the enemy. ;-)
 
Crossing Eden said:
Not just IQ, it's astounding that people are saying this looks better than FO4.
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It's another example of people forgetting what last gen games actually looked like.
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oh you mean the one's that aren't open world at all and rather follow one simple line of story. Totally forgot about that.
 
Dot50Cal said:
Looks like its upscaled, is this running sub 1080p? Also..what is with developers and having their games default brightness/gamma at such a horrible level that everything looks washed out?

If you combine that with upscaling, it just looks so bad.
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I don't think there is upscaling going on judging by the shots Shinobi put up, just a combination of AA and low-resolution bloom in post-processing. I'm thinking they are using a combination of MSAA and FXAA on console this time instead of just one or the other like with Skyrim.
 
benny_a said:
I think going with the PS4 being less of a shit show and Bethesda sending out all platform code for reviews (instead of hiding the PS3 version, even for Playstation-centric review sites) is the valid argument.

Pete Hines's word is worth nothing, as he is the enemy. ;-)
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Very true, lol.
 
Wallach said:
I don't think there is upscaling going on judging by the shots Shinobi put up, just a combination of AA and low-resolution bloom in post-processing. I'm thinking they are using a combination of MSAA and FXAA on console this time instead of just one or the other like with Skyrim.
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Ahh you're right, something is up with the post processing. I just looked at all the shots in the OP. Seems to be especially heinous on the dog. Yikes
 
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