Fallout 4 - Reviews thread

The PS4 version has the most reviews so that's the one we'll use in our silly little Metacritic arguements that are bound to crop up sooner or later.

Actually looking at it the same thing happened to MGSV. The XBOX One version sits at the top with a 95, the PS4 version in the middle with a 93, and the PC version at the bottom with 91.

Huh. I wonder how many other games end up filling this pattern.
 
So what the heck is happening then?? Is it a YMMV type of situation? I trust Sterling a lot, but Pete on the other hand...

It's basically "I can't tell if a game drops to the 20's".

The game is not locked 30fps, don't let anyone here tell you otherwise.
 
Ahahahahaha... good one.

In any case, its no surprise that it got high scores. Its Bethesda. Their brand matters more to their consumers than the quality of their games.

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But seriously, why does it matter/affect you that other people are enjoying their games so much?
 
reviews need to be clearer on what platform it was played on, any outlet not pointing out those stuttering and 0 fps issues when reviewing the XB1 version should be ignored from here on out, its not something you can just gloss over

I mean, sure. But there have been plenty of games that can still be amazing, even if it has technical issues. Does that make it acceptable? Absolutely not. And I think Todd and Pete should answer to that.

Get a new fucking engine Todd!

That said, I can't wait to play this. All I can think about lately. Bring on the patches!
 
Cool, see you then. Thanks for stopping by.

I'll leave in my own time, thanks.

Just watched Gametrailers review. Man, this game looks ugly and bland and framerate drops are frequent.

It's a Bathesda game, what do you expect? It's more about the story - which is why Obsidian's New Vegas is the best new-era Fallout game.

Bathesda have never really quite nailed the tone of the earlier games.
 
I'm salty becaue I have a different opinion?

Suuure.



Fair enough, I guess.

No, an opinion would be "I don't like Bethesda games." Not: "Bethesda games are crap and anyone who buys them is brainwashed.", Which is what you're implying.

As I said, It's an interesting narrative.
 
Good reviews. For once press seems to not be full of hyperbole with a Bethesda game.

I think it has more to do with the fact that open world games aren't a new hotness anymore. There's not much milk left to squeeze from the open world teat without doing something really unique with some aspect of the game.

Bethesda games have never been particularly unique save for their setting (which typically goes woefully underused) and the fact that they popularized the open world format.

I wasn't really on the fence with this game, but the reviews have confirmed that I should just wait until my backlog clears up--it sounds like it's just more of Fallout 3 and I didn't really love FO3 all that much. A shame that the town-building aspects seem pretty tertiary.
 
So what the heck is happening then?? Is it a YMMV type of situation? I trust Sterling a lot, but Pete on the other hand...

I've put around 50 hours into the game, and there are key narrative locations that drop the framerate A LOT. Perhaps it has to do with the dynamic weather, which is why some people don't have issues and others do. In my time with it, it can get really bad in specific locales.
 
I'll leave in my own time, thanks.



It's a Bathesda game, what do you expect? It's more about the story - which is why Obsidian's New Vegas is the best new-era Fallout game.

Bathesda have never really quite nailed the tone of the earlier games.

So you´re gonna stick around to shit on a game you have no intention getting?

Cool.
 
I'm not sure what surprised me more.

The fact this game scored tons of 9s.

Or the fact that said review scores are also higher than the Xbox One framerate.
 
Not really. 7,5 translates to a yellow score on Meta - I´m not sure if that´s where they want to be.

This is why I think 5 point scale is perfect.

5 & 4 = Green
3 = Yellow
2 & 1 = Red
Not where who wants to be? Destructoid?

Obviously it is because they gave the game a 7.5. A good but not outstanding game that's enjoyable and worth investing time into

Do you think that as a writer is doing his review, he's thinking "this score will make my review a yellow on Metacritic, oh no" or rather that he had viable criticisms and felt the game was a 7.5?
 
No, an opinion would be "I don't like Bethesda games." Not: "Bethesda games are crap and anyone who buys them is brainwashed.", Which is what you're implying.

As I said, It's an interesting narrative.

If you say so. Well, in any case, I hope those who play Bethesda games enjoy Fallout 4.
 
It's nice to see that reviewers don't expect and thus dont judge Bethesda on graphics, performance, scripting, animation, movement, writing and combat quality
 
Yknow guys, its entirely possible to play a game and not notice when the frames drop 5 to 10 per second here and there. Stuttering is one thing, but the drops in that digital foundry video are fucking nothing. That deathclaw fight is the perfect example of my point. Watching the PS4 side, I wouldn't have known the framerate was dropping had they not put a nice counter in the upper corner.

Just learn to enjoy the game and if you don't trust reviewers (which I totally understand because I don't put any stock into them either) then just don't read them and don't be shocked when the big game of the year gets 9's across the board. That shit will never change. And if some drops from 30 to 20 fps every once in a great while is a big problem for you, then its time to remember that you're under no obligation to purchase anything.

Lighten up guys, its a fucking videogame and you're getting worked up over reviews from enthusiast press.
 
NICE!! I once thought i had enough time for witcher 3, yet im only 20% done LMAO.

If i had a lot of time, i'd pick this up.... Having kids man. I only have time for those short campaigns that are under 20 hours. Way easier to split it up between midnight sessions when everyone is alseep. hehe
 
Yknow guys, its entirely possible to play a game and not notice when the frames drop 5 to 10 per second here and there. Stuttering is one thing, but the drops in that digital foundry video are fucking nothing. That deathclaw fight is the perfect example of my point. Watching the PS4 side, I wouldn't have known the framerate was dropping had they not put a nice counter in the upper corner.

Just learn to enjoy the game and if you don't trust reviewers (which I totally understand because I don't put any stock into them either) then just don't read them and don't be shocked when the big game of the year gets 9's across the board. That shit will never change. And if some drops from 30 to 20 fps every once in a great while is a big problem for you, then its time to remember that you're under no obligation to purchase anything.

Lighten up guys, its a fucking videogame and you're getting worked up over reviews from enthusiast press.

Hang it on the wall and frame this right here^
 
Not where who wants to be? Destructoid?

Obviously it is because they gave the game a 7.5. A good but not outstanding game that's enjoyable and worth investing time into

Do you think that as a writer is doing his review, he's thinking "this score will make my review a yellow on Metacritic, oh no" or rather that he had viable criticisms and felt the game was a 7.5?

No no, I think the writer only cares about his review and his scale. Rightfully so.

I´m just saying that this scale does not translate well to Meta.

5 point scale is where it´s at!
 
I'm enjoying the fact the before this thread, everyone was predicting the excuses the Bethesda fanboys were gonna make for poor reviews.

And now this thread comes along and a large portion of it is bunch of people making excuses for the good reviews.

I'm interested to see how it turns out. I could never get into Fallout 3 or New Vegas but part of that was just because I really sucked at them.

That generally seems to be the case with Bethesda games.
 
Yknow guys, its entirely possible to play a game and not notice when the frames drop 5 to 10 per second here and there. Stuttering is one thing, but the drops in that digital foundry video are fucking nothing. That deathclaw fight is the perfect example of my point. Watching the PS4 side, I wouldn't have known the framerate was dropping had they not put a nice counter in the upper corner.

Just learn to enjoy the game and if you don't trust reviewers (which I totally understand because I don't put any stock into them either) then just don't read them and don't be shocked when the big game of the year gets 9's across the board. That shit will never change. And if some drops from 30 to 20 fps every once in a great while is a big problem for you, then its time to remember that you're under no obligation to purchase anything.

Lighten up guys, its a fucking videogame and you're getting worked up over reviews from enthusiast press.

You're right. Not many 10's. It looks like none of the reviewers really loved it loved it.
 
So you´re gonna stick around to shit on a game you have no intention getting?

Cool.

Is a difference of opinion shitting on a game?

I'm sorry you take the criticism of some game so personally. I wonder how you'd cope if someone slagged off your mum?

And I shall be playing the game as I do like Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and I feel enough time has elapsed for me to play ostensibly the same thing (minus the more interesting stories and characters from New Vegas).
 
I still can't really believe this.

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HA, I can't believe Pete did that.

Anyway, I can ONLY speak for myself. I did a ton of exploring, got into some hugely chaotic fights, and noticed no framerate issues.

As I Tweeted, I cannot say they're NOT present, just that I, personally, did not encounter them.

Can't really tell you anything more than that.
 
Skyrim was an amazing game.
The side missions are the most engaging and well crafted that I've seen in an open world game yet, the world was beautiful.

I played quite a lot of Skyrim, and I played loads of The Witcher 3, and TW3's absolutely blow Skyrim's out of the water. TW3's side content and world made every single Bethesda game look like a child's efforts, imo. Being able to make a unique character and have several unique playstylesm eg a Bethesda game, doesn't ensure the world and content itself is great - though I can't deny Bethesda games nail that aspect. All the Bethesda games feel static and turgid to me, more like I'm walking through a 3D script and clicking buttons than I'm playing a game. It helped a lot to turn subtitles off. (But then I just had to look at their horrible faces.)

HA, I can't believe Pete did that.

Anyway, I can ONLY speak for myself. I did a ton of exploring, got into some hugely chaotic fights, and noticed no framerate issues.

As I Tweeted, I cannot say they're NOT present, just that I, personally, did not encounter them.

Can't really tell you anything more than that.

Your Tweet was perfect in the first place, Jim. Let people read it as they will.
 
The lack of opinions on the new dialogue system in those reviews is criminal. It's the one thing I wanted to know about via these things and they don't even mention it
 
Interesting how when you read the reviews that are 90+ they all mention numerous frustrations, but are willing to discard them because there is a lot of content, which sometimes as they mention as well is bad too. Then they mention the robust settlement system as a plus, but then say that it's difficult to understand and the interface is unwieldy.

All in all if the same would be written here it would probably be shot down by the equal amount of more sceptical guys. And that's what everybody have seen in the last days. Also it seems that while sceptics are being well represented IRL and on forums, there are not a lot of them among the leading game journalists. It not about FO4 either, it's not the first time when user impression differs from the critics impression significantly.
 
HA, I can't believe Pete did that.

Anyway, I can ONLY speak for myself. I did a ton of exploring, got into some hugely chaotic fights, and noticed no framerate issues.

As I Tweeted, I cannot say they're NOT present, just that I, personally, did not encounter them.

Can't really tell you anything more than that.

You got internet cred, so of course he quoted you :P

Also, no hitching or anything? Fuck is going on here...
 
Unless they didn't run into any.

those drops have been proven to occur in fixed places when assets could be streaming in across multiple xbox consoles by DF, it really doesn't look like something you can avoid running into

I mean, sure. But there have been plenty of games that can still be amazing, even if it has technical issues. Does that make it acceptable? Absolutely not. And I think Todd and Pete should answer to that.

Get a new fucking engine Todd!

That said, I can't wait to play this. All I can think about lately. Bring on the patches!

of course, i'm super excited to play this too on pc and got a good laugh out of this thread earlier, but 0 fps hard stutters, they gotta be pointed out to inform your reader/viewers
 
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