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Fans, haters and in between. How are the new Star Wars movies?

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Odoul

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I got the origingla DVD set as a gift back in Jan. ESB is one of my fav movies ever and a huge part of my childhood. Last week I saw those shorts on Cartoon Network(which were badass by the way), so I went back and picked up the first 20.

I never saw the two prequels. Wasn't avoiding them. I was even looking forward to them but for whatever reason I just never got around to them. I've seen a huge mixed reaction to them on the lovely little place that is the internet.

So are they worth dropping 28 bucks on? Are they entertaining? Keep in mind that as long as something isn't PURE garbage, or worse BORING, I'll give it a try.

PS. Without even having seen the last two, that new trailer gives me goosebumps.
 

Vlad

Member
While I was never a huge fan of the original trilogy, I still didn't care for eps 1 and 2. To me they felt like somebody was trying really hard to make a Star Wars movie and just missing something. I just never really got into the stories as much as I did with the first three movies.
 
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Deleted member 1235

Unconfirmed Member
If you don't go and see them with a "religious nutcase" mentality, then the movies will be OK. Just OK though.
 

bionic77

Member
Odoul said:
I got the origingla DVD set as a gift back in Jan. ESB is one of my fav movies ever and a huge part of my childhood. Last week I saw those shorts on Cartoon Network(which were badass by the way), so I went back and picked up the first 20.

I never saw the two prequels. Wasn't avoiding them. I was even looking forward to them but for whatever reason I just never got around to them. I've seen a huge mixed reaction to them on the lovely little place that is the internet.

So are they worth dropping 28 bucks on? Are they entertaining? Keep in mind that as long as something isn't PURE garbage, or worse BORING, I'll give it a try.

PS. Without even having seen the last two, that new trailer gives me goosebumps.

They are average movies. They will only disappoint if you expect them to be as good as the original trilogy.
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
Ep I wasn't really all that good, but I like Ep II. I can't really see a whole lot of things to hate about Ep II, but this is coming from a fan of Star Wars.
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
Episode I had more positive "moments" than Episode II did, but most of the last hour of Episode II is really, really good. I'd say if you're not a huge fan, they're certainly worth a rental.
 

spliced

Member
I'm not a huge fan of even the first 3 but the prequels are worth watching for anyone interested in Star Wars. Expect to watch an average movie and you should enjoy it for the most part.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
I was raised on the originals. So, I was underwhelmed when the new prequels came out. They are just average ... and I expected excellent.
 
The original trilogy is great, Episode 1 had some nice moments, even though it was pretty weak overall, and Episode II was crap. I'm not holding my breath for Ep III.
 

Iceman

Member
Basically my sentiments.. with one fatal difference:

SpoonyBard said:
The original trilogy is great, Episode 1 had some nice moments, even though it was pretty weak overall, and Episode II was crap. I AM holding my breath for Ep III.
 

Mifune

Mehmber
If you've made it this long without seeing the prequels, then by all means, stay the course. These movies are truly only worth seeing on a huge screen with lots of excited fans. When put on a smaller screen, their crappiness really shines through.
 

drohne

hyperbolically metafictive
ep. I -- horrendous dialogue, charmless characters, pointlessly obscure plot (trade dispute? wha?). awesome lightsaber fights, however.

ep. II -- radically horrendous dialogue, deeply charmless characters, pointlessly obscure plot (parliamentary chicanery? wha?). lightsaber fights all involve hundred-year-old man and/or awful cg yoda.
 

Shompola

Banned
EP I : Quite awful but it can be enjoyed still somewhat. and the dialogues while are bad aren't horrible.
EP II : This one is even worse than EP I believe it or not. The dialogue is probably one of the worst in any modern cinema.
 
The movies are much better if you imagine ManaByte furiously tugging his doodle during each ostentatious display of CG.

Wait, no they aren't. They're even worse that way.
 

FoneBone

Member
I seem to be the only one who thinks that Episode II is better than Episode I -- if you ask me, as bad as it is, nothing in that movie (not even the horrible love story) is as annoying as Jake Lloyd and the Gungans in Ep I. Then again, that's probably of those "syphilis vs. gonorrhea": comparisons. I saw each movie once in the theaters, and never again since. I have little doubt that it'll be the same with Episode III.
 

Iceman

Member
FoneBone said:
I seem to be the only one who thinks that Episode II is better than Episode I

Nah, most people I talk to agree with you.

(It should be noted that most people I talk to are senile octagenerians in resting homes that tend to believe they are having a conversation with Saint Margaret of Antioch...

j/k)
 

Boogie9IGN

Member
Fuck the haters, Episode I/II kick all amounts of ass.

Episode III will be the godliest piece of cinema to ever grace a theater, you heard it here first
 
Lucas Rapped My Childhood....


"The Phantom Menace was the new hope
that Lucas could still make movies dope
But JarJar and that fuckin kid
fucked us up the ass instead

the Clones Attack gave us much less pain
till yoda started takin crack cocaine
jumpin around like a chimp on speed
George thought that this was what we need?

But take a good long look back at the OT
The acting sucks; the plot is hokey as fuck
The difference between the old and the new
Is not much more than we all grew up..."

:lol :lol :lol
 

ourumov

Member
Both are horrible films in comparisson to the first ones...They aren't horrible films when compared to your typical average film or Star Trek 2nd line production...but if you expect the level of the first ones bail out...
 

psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
The first star wars movie I watched was Episode 1 and 2 and although I did enjoy them, they are not as good as ESB.
 

Espio

Member
Jesus christ, come on! There are far, far worse films than the Star Wars Prequal Trilogy. Episodes 1 and 2 are far better than your average summer blockbuster crap. Some of you guys are going in expecting oscar material, its bloody Star Wars FFS! The OT had all the same faults. Did George Lucas rape your mothers in the face or something?!
 

suaveric

Member
The acting and dialog in both runs from awful to tolerable. The upside is that the action in both is pretty good. I'd say they're worth a rental.
 

mrroboto

Banned
Espio said:
Jesus christ, come on! There are far, far worse films than the Star Wars Prequal Trilogy. Episodes 1 and 2 are far better than your average summer blockbuster crap. Some of you guys are going in expecting oscar material, its bloody Star Wars FFS! The OT had all the same faults. Did George Lucas rape your mothers in the face or something?!

100% agreed!

i'm just thankful george lucas gave us the star wars films to begin with.

great imagination and an epic storyline.

i wish he'd make 7,8 and 9!
 

BojTrek

Banned
Screw him making 7, 8, and 9... I wish he would let Speilberg or some other "good" director and have someone else write it...

I don't read the books, but I heard there have been some incredible stories after the Return of the Jedi story... DAMN HIM!
 

bionic77

Member
FoneBone said:
I seem to be the only one who thinks that Episode II is better than Episode I -- if you ask me, as bad as it is, nothing in that movie (not even the horrible love story) is as annoying as Jake Lloyd and the Gungans in Ep I. Then again, that's probably of those "syphilis vs. gonorrhea": comparisons. I saw each movie once in the theaters, and never again since. I have little doubt that it'll be the same with Episode III.

I thought Episode could have been a pretty good movie, but it just has too much filler in it. Lucas makes that Pod race about 15 hours in the dvd release. I mean there are some dumb parts in all the Star Wars movies, but the pace is so much faster. I don't think they work as well when you slow it down and it definitely makes things less exciting. The Gungan battle was also pretty worthless and that space battle with Anakin was really disapointing.

I still think the space battles in Return of the Jedi have yet to be surpassed. They are still visually stunning even today and nothing I have seen is half as exciting.

Episode 2 just seems to get worse with each viewing. I didn't really find that much exciting in it. It just isn't exciting seeing Jedi CG fight robot/monster CG. The real action is still much more exciting to watch.
 
They're worth owning if you like Star Wars, but they are of course, very different from the old movies. Which is a truth too painful for some...

DO THE PREQUELS STAND ALONE?

Star Wars (or A New Hope) was made as a good stand alone movie. George Lucas didn't know if he'd ever get a chance to make another one, so it had to stand alone just in case. Empire took his awesome story and brought the very talented Kasdan/Brackett/Kershner team on board. It had a huge revelation that would shock and stun audiences and ended on a real downer. Return of the Jedi was a fanfare of awesomeness that would bring forth the manipulative Emperor, resurrect the Death Star and have some of the best action sequences from any of the movies to make Star Wars bow out in style. Most importantly, each of the three films stand alone as great self contained stories in many respects.

Contrasting with the new movies: Phantom Menace - good action, lots of exposition (some of it boring), retarded character created for kids entertainment. Attack of the Clones - great action, a bit more exposition (some of it cringe worthy romance), and few complaints otherwise... Revenge of the Sith - ???.... Revenge of the Sith is what the Prequel Trilogy is all about. All three films are one big story, and the first two films are two hour entertainment spots that lead you to the crescendo in Episode III.

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I personally love the prequels, and think they're worth watching AND owning for Star Wars fans, and I'll elaborate on how I feel about em.


THE PHANTOM MENACE

The Phantom Menace starts things off and sets a trend that the other two films will follow: The story starts with explosions and action. The problem with the Phantom Menace is perhaps that it's not consistant in that regard. At it's heart, TPM and Attack of the Clones are kids adventure films - no doubt about it. If I'd of went to see this movie at the age of 9 instead of my late teens, I'd of shit my pants with glee. TPM takes entertaining the kiddies a step further than the old Star Wars movies - it's sillyness incarnate, especially given Jar Jar Binks' prominence. He's basically an acid induced vision of a pidgin English speaking Telly Tubby from another world. He's damn irritating, but I bet the really young kids love him.

The film loses some consistancy because the Phantom Menace has a strange counter balance to all of the action and Gungan antics... it kind of makes the movie drag in largely expository areas. In a normal film, such stuff would take up a negligable amount of time near the beginning of the movie -- but because this truly is a three part story, it runs throughout the film. This alone makes Phantom Menace a lot less 'snappy' than it's predecessors. We're invited to watch Anakin Skywalker's introduction, see what the Old Republic used to look like (galactic society before The Empire), and we're invited to watch the way the Republic's internal politics work. We meet a young version of our favourite anti-Hero and he's naive yet cocky, weak in many ways yet unnaturally strong in the force. The acting leaves a lot to be desired, but the benefit of seeing Anakin this young is that all 6 movies become about his whole life; they become about Darth Vader. The Republic is completely different from anything we see in the old trilogy. The technology, the architecture, everything. The colors are bright and vivid, there's that much sunshine in parts of the first movie that it's almost cartoon-like.... this changes with Attack of the Clones and again with Revenge of the Sith. The pallete should be an interesting thing to watch changing as you watch all 3 back to back. Then there's the internal politics. For the most part, things seem quite boring and irrelevant at first.. when you watch this movie you're basically gonna be left asking a few questions:

Why does the Queen sound like she was played by a Speak and Spell? What have the Trade Federation got to do with the big picture, if anything? Why are battle droids nowhere to be seen in the Old Trilogy? Why is Darth Maul so cool? Why's he not in it longer? Why does Anakin say "Yipee"? Why Jar Jar? Why Gungans? Why George Why?! ....... most of these questions do look like they'll be answered with Revenge of the Sith. Others, well, maybe they're best forgotten.


ATTACK OF THE CLONES

Attack of the Clones changes things up. We still have lots of action, in fact this one has the best yet. There's even a few remnants of Phantom Menace sillyness. But the focus now is firmly on Skywalker, the Republic and it's new enemy. On Skywalker's side there is a romance story of epic hammy proportions, so again there's still an element of the kind of the sunshine and smiles that pervaded Phantom Menace. But the sunshine is starting to fade. We're starting to see the fear that Yoda sensed in Anakin... in this case it's fear for his mother. Bear in mind that this is something which will repeat itself in Revenge of the Sith, and be used by the Dark Lord to turn Anakin... we're starting to see such fear translate into helplessness, anger, hate. Angst, irrational thought, lashing out. It's all beginning to rear it's head... though Anakin is still far from controlling it and using it to harness the power of the Dark Side. He just doesn't know how yet or have the motive to do so. In contrary to such eventualities, he's actually becoming a great Jedi Knight. He's becoming more powerful and more prominent, and the Jedi are trusting in Anakin (and a prophecy he might bring to light) more and more. It's a mixed tone that should sit right at home between TPM and Revenge of the Sith.

Lots of night-time and lots of rain. The latter half of the movie is almost entirely shot in a kind of twilight hue... fitting given this story explains how the Republic is gonna go down to the Empire. We see Chancellor Palpatine using the position he attains in Phantom Menace and begin to spin people to his design. The parts of the movie that follow the Jedi are little investigative tales that never reveal Palpatine's big secret -- what was elusive in TPM, remains elusive. However, we're gleaning more and more of the Dark Lord's plan. A galactic civil war; The famous Clone Wars. A federation of seperatist systems, financiers and trade institutions on one side are convinced to try and use their power and influence. Backed by massive droid armies, they seceed from the Republic and begin to make unruly demands. Meanwhile, Obi Wan Kenobi discovers that someone has ordered that a huge clone army to be created for the Republic, long before it is authorised by democratic process and The Military Creation Act. BOTH of these sides are controlled by the same insidious hands... pun intended. The seperatists are made ever more powerful and threatening, which in turn forces the Jedi and the Republic to use the clones out of necessity. War breaks out.

Some of the dialogue is dodgy, there's one particularly bad CG character who appears on screen for a few seconds (hint: he works for a "Banking Clan"), and some things are really unnecessary (the droid factory action scene for one), some of the arena battle creatures do nothing to alleviate the cartoon/dumb allegations that are levelled at the prequels... but the complaints are minor in the scope of things, and it makes for a very entertaining watch that both improves in various different ways over TPM, and also sets up the third film very nicely.



REVENGE OF THE SITH

What is/was The Phantom Menace really? What is the purpose of manipulating the galaxy into the clone wars? Part 3. What happens to the Seperatists, their battle droids and superior technology? Part 3. How is the Empire born? Part 3. What of the Rebels we come to know in the old trilogy? How does the Rebellion begin? Part 3. What role does Anakin play? Part 3.

Everything leads to Revenge of the Sith, and from what I've read so far it's gonna tie things up very well.
 
You're wrong in thinking that there are "haters" among us. That's the title nutcase Star Wars fans give to those who don't like the film. In fact, if you simply watch the movie for entertainment's sake you will be massively let down. If you're looking for something interesting, say like the Mona Lisa or a horrible car wreck, you will also be greatly disappointed. The movies are poorly made and lack the vigor and excitement of the previous films. Hampered by exceptionally poor acting from wonderful actors and equally stilted dialogue hurts the film as well. And worst of all, Lucas' lame attempt to pretend like he knew what he was doing all along.

The Simpson's episode from a few years back sums it up best.
 

Amneziak

aka The Hound
I've always liked Eps I & II for what they are. They are no worse than the originals (exception being ESB, naturally). And another thing, Jar Jar did not ruin anything. He is no more ridiculous than Yoda

*ducks*
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
evilromero said:
You're wrong in thinking that there are "haters" among us. That's the title nutcase Star Wars fans give to those who don't like the film. In fact, if you simply watch the movie for entertainment's sake you will be massively let down. If you're looking for something interesting, say like the Mona Lisa or a horrible car wreck, you will also be greatly disappointed. The movies are poorly made and lack the vigor and excitement of the previous films. Hampered by exceptionally poor acting from wonderful actors and equally stilted dialogue hurts the film as well. And worst of all, Lucas' lame attempt to pretend like he knew what he was doing all along.

The Simpson's episode from a few years back sums it up best.

Hater. :D
 
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