Well, I think it sort of makes sense. For the main series they have people like JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson, who have shown that they can make popular mainstream blockbusters for a younger generation. For the spin-offs they seem to be going for up and coming directors who have a grittier and grounded style but also don't shy away from really ridiculous pop culture ideas. I'll say Neill Blomkamp is another director who fits this category. I wonder if he's been approached.
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Well, I think it sort of makes sense. For the main series they have people like JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson, who have shown that they can make popular mainstream blockbusters for a younger generation. For the spin-offs they seem to be going for up and coming directors who have a grittier and grounded style but also don't shy away from really ridiculous pop culture ideas. I'll say Neill Blomkamp is another director who fits this category. I wonder if he's been approached.
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This will bomb real hard.
MI5 moving right next to it doesn't help.
Cruise Missile
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They're already disposable. I know you seem to have built your entire identity around Marvel movies, but they are ALL disposable fluff except for maybe The Winter Soldier. None of these movies will be remembered as great movies. Because they aren't great movies. They are fun fluff pieces you forget about once you're done unless you're an obsessive type who considers them a part of your life.
Sir Alec Guinness lives on in your post lol:
“A refurbished Star Wars is on somewhere or everywhere. I have no intention of revisiting any galaxy. I shrivel inside each time it is mentioned. Twenty years ago, when the film was first shown, it had a freshness, also a sense of moral good and fun. Then I began to be uneasy at the influence it might be having. The first bad penny dropped in San Francisco when a sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. His elegant mother nodded with approval. Looking into the boy's eyes I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form and I guessed that one day they would explode.
'I would love you to do something for me,' I said.
'Anything! Anything!' the boy said rapturously.
'You won't like what I'm going to ask you to do,' I said.
'Anything, sir, anything!'
'Well,' I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?'
He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. 'What a dreadful thing to say to a child!' she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.”
If there's a lot of space/dimension effects I think it will do fine. It's not a big budget film for a blockbuster if I recall correctly
It apparently has a low budget compared to other action movies and it still has a pretty recognizable brand. Plus this trailer seems to have gotten a bit of buzz. It'll do fine regardless of quality.
Cruise Missile
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If only Robert Downey Jr. would say that to Neoxon. His life would end up so much better.
Winter Soldier & GotG (the former you mentioned) say otherwise. Iron Man 1 is still remembered even today, as is Avengers.
You act as if the Fox movies are works of art (though I do give credit to DoFP & First Class in recent years).
The Atticus
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The first two Spider-Man films were well-remembered until the third came out.
Spidey 2 is still regarded highly.
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pulga
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If RDJ asked him to give up his reserved-until-2030 MCU OTs, would Neoxon spontaneously combust?
Neoxon pls respond.
megamerican
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It has a great look to it. Solid cast. Still not interested in seeing another F4 origin story again though, hopefully this is more than that.
The reboot of the franchise and the reboots being as hated as they are did more harm to Spidey 1&2 in the public consciousness than 3 did.
They could have recovered from 3 without the need of a reboot and a rehash of the origin story.
At which point Alec Guinness went home to sleep on his bed of SW money.
Byakuya769
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I'm intrigued.
The Atticus
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Eh maybe you're right.
I dunno though, the backlash against Spidey 3 was pretty hilariously extensive even back then.
As if the Fantastic Four will be anything but disposable? Or do you think just because they are doing a gritty take on a comic book, a feat we have not seen since the yesteryear of Man of Steel, that it will suddenly be a cultural phenomena that we remember fondly for the ages to come? I am curious as to which part of this movie has inspired so much confidence in with just one trailer and some production news. Is it the worst voice over in years? Or maybe even that Josh Trank is directing it. You know, with his one film that lost the only award nomination (that wasn't for a trailer) to The Avengers.
Or do you think that just because the Marvel films are massively popular now that they will be forgotten, you know, the exact opposite way pop culture works. As opposed to all of those 95% masterpieces that the majority of people haven't seen or remember. But feel free to needlessly shit all over someone for posting a GIF and outlining how everyone should enjoy media.
Overseas might save it if they haven't been hit with the Cruise missile that is MI5.
Cruise Missile
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I didn't say anything about Fox movies. So no, I don't act as if they are works of art. When I say Marvel movies, I am referring to movies based on Marvel properties. That includes movies made by Sony and Fox. They're all fluff. COMIC BOOKS are fluff. That's the entire point of comic books and comic book movies. Fun distractions that are cheap and ultimately meaningless. Wow, big surprise Iron Man (2008) and Avengers (2012) are remembered when a new Avengers movie is about to come out with Iron Man as a main character. Dead is saying these movies won't be remembered as anything special once they stop making them. But they're still making them, so of course they are remembered.
Also, GOTG is not a good movie. Flat acting, unfunny and forced humor, generic action, and generic Marvel movie story. Sure, it made a bunch of money. But Green Lantern and Man of Steel made money despite being bad movies. Only hopelessly, dangerously obssesed fans like yourself will care about these movies in 15 years. These are not Die Hard or Indiana Jones or Terminator or even Star Wars movies. They will not be seen as classics. Because they aren't and aren't trying to be.
Cruise Missile
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I don't recall saying anything besides "It has potential". Nowhere did I say this would be great, nor did I use MoS as a good example of a comic book movie. I was replying directly to Neoxon's incredulous reaction to the idea that the MCU in general will be replaced and forgotten in 15 years. Which it will. Likely less than that. Because that's how big movies work now. There absolutely will be a reboot in the next probably 5 or 6 years, new origin stories, new everything. That's just how it works.
The Atticus
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I don't wanna put words in his mouth like you have, but I don't think he was implying any of that.
Read, man.
SamuelSupreme
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Need to see Doom...but I like how dark it felt. Trask making his magic work.
Holy shit I had no idea Alec lived until 2000.
Didn't Feige say that they were just gonna truck on with the MCU, basically pulling a James Bond where necessary?
If I recall, only Dark Knight got that kind of praise in recent years.
Just like a Bond film, a Die Hard film or something like Looper, Snowpircer or Godzilla.
Of course it's not winning awards but then again, does anyone remember A Midsummer Night's Dream or Crash?
Cruise Missile
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TDK came out the same year as Iron Man and it is already suffering from much more backlash in the last 2-3 years. Why do you think Marvel movies are immune to that?
Dark Knight still gets praised, you mean Rises right?
LOL at this entire post.
Kids today will see these movies similarly as we see those "classics" when they are older.
Cruise Missile
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No. I mean TDK. It gets a lot more shit for plot holes now than it did just 2-3 years ago. TDKR was trash through and through, though.
Time has not been kind to the dark knight. I loved the first time I saw it, but it quickly lost its charm after the second viewing. Ledgers performance was great for what it was, but Nolans batman franchise ultimately doesn't feel like batman down to its atmosphere and its characters and each movie got worse in that regard.
pulga
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Probably because TDK had some substance and still resonates with people after all this time. There's not much to say about Iron Man other than "it was fun".
Cruise Missile
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Fuck. Wasn't that my entire point in the first place?
pulga
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HellofaMouse
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that miles teller guy is getting big and i dont like it one bit
That's how I feel about all these posts. Lose their charm instantly. Haha. Does any comic movie related thread not turn into a DC Vs Marvel, Nolan haters ball circle jerk. It was a teaser. It teased. Every comic movie doesn't have to be gritty Nolan vs comedic marvel studios.
Cruise Missile
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I cannot sanction your buffoonery.
Could you explain how any of the Marvel movies don't immediately fall apart on a rewatch? Or how all of them besides maybe one or two don't follow the same formula? What great acting and direction they have? How wonderful and unique their action scenes are?
Likely not, because they are fluff. Much like actual comic books are written to get you to turn to the next page, the movies are made to get you to look forward to the next movie. You aren't supposed to dwell on them. You see one, then you look forward to the next one. That's how they make their movies, which is the same way comic books are made. It's always "what happens next" not "what just happened". There is no shame in that. That's absolutely fine. Almost all of them have been fun to watch the first time except Thor 2. But they aren't made to be all time classic movies. They're made to get you excited to see the next one, which then gets you excited to see the next one, etc etc.
But since Fox didn't make Guardians of the Galaxy, they have to put DoFP on the FF trailer.
Absolutely, but you don't actually want to hear it. You've made your mind up already. If you really think the MCU films are going to be forgotten in 15 years, and that they aren't going to be as much of a cultural touchstone for the generation that grew up with them as Star Wars was, you're so far out of touch with the pop cinema zeitgeist as to be effectively unequipped to have this conversation in the first place.
Since they're getting people excited to see their next movie, sounds like they've got something Fox would love to accomplish!
Cruise Missile
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Well maybe you could try to explain it to me and then we can go from there instead of the "well you already made up your mind" anti-argument. Because I think they are fun movies. In 15 years, kids that grew up watching them are going to have an ironic appreciation for them like the generation before has for Demolition Man and Speed.
I 100% do not believe there will be conventions and the hype for Iron Man 8 or the Iron Man reboot like there was for the Star Wars prequels
D1AMONDDOGS
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Looks like a pretty amazing Sci-Fi flick. Doesn't say Fantastic 4 to me, but I'm pretty hyped for it.
BadAss2961
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That's the story with every MCU movie. Even with all the fanboys here, there isn't one Marvel film that can spark a decent discussion once its theatrical run, home video release, and television debut is over. So they're all basically forgotten within a year, and it's on to the next... Churning out one after another, probably the biggest disposable blockbuster action hustle going today. The Call of Duty of the film industry.
I see the MCU as more about the hype train between releases and box office bragging rights than about celebrating good movies.
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