FBI reviewing emails found on devices used by Weiner/Abedin

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Glass Joe said:
why is the subject not "FBI reviewing CLINTON emails found on devices used by Weiner/Abedin?" I know the thread title has changed a couple of times, but c'mon mods... your political leanings are a bit overpowering.
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Because the term "Clinton emails" implies that the emails being reviewed are from or about Clinton, when in reality we have no clue what the emails are about.
 
dragonfart28 said:
I think we are going to see a President Trump guys.

The timing on this release couldn't be more perfect for a temporary upswing that gives him the election.
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With absolutely no statistics or evidence to necessarily back this feeling up, I strongly disagree.

While there are some who treat Clinton like she's perfect, I like to assume for humanity's sake most know deep down she isn't exactly the "best candidate ever". However the alternative is so gross, so disastrous and so non-qualified many people will vote for Clinton as a means to keep Trump out and it kind of doesn't really matter what Clinton is or isn't accused of, we know enough about how ridiculous Donald Trump is. As sad as it is for worthwhile debate and political engagement, voting tactically here is most certainly a justified cause.

Someone can ask me to eat crow after the election, but if Trump wins eating crow for being wrong on a forum will be the least of my concerns. If it isn't known by some I can't vote as I am not American, but if I were I'd be voting Clinton in a heartbeat even if I think she is not a very good political candidate. That is high praise compared to what I think of Trump.

In this situation abstaining to vote, or voting libertarian because I am disenchanted with the democratic/republican circus is not a suitable answer. Again as depressing as it is to have to class ones vote as being "thrown away", in the race to keep Trump the fuck away from the White House, voting independent or 3rd party does indeed help him.
 
Isn't it odd how Obama in an election isn't half as bonkers as this election. What's in the water these days that makes people lose it.
 
Elandyll said:
No, Comey was then, and is now, a douchebag. I said so myself back then (July).

His "clearing" of Clinton has happened over 2 days back in July. Day1 was a scathing review, excoriating Clinton for lack of judgement, etc.
This was massively reported in the media, in no positive way for the most part.

Day2 gave details on the review, and it was then clear that Clinton did not break the law, that no evidence of hacking were found, that the few document labelled secret at the time found were labelled incorrectly by whomever had sent them to Clinton, etc.

So yeah, Comey did the right thing (the "not even close" was an internal memo though, I am not sure he ever said that in public), but he visibly tried to hit Clinton at the same time.

Same thing here. Under the "doing the right thing" cover, he is actually, in my opinion, doing a hit job on Clinton.
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Also, something that's worth mentioning: When Comey did that press conference and threw out a bunch of red meat about Clinton to the Republican base, Republican congressmen tried to use those comments as evidence that Comey was failing to do his job by not indicting Clinton. It was only then that Comey came with the forceful denial that the evidence was even close.

So, basically, he tried to appease Republicans with this terrible idea of a press conference where he says that no charges but still makes a point to wag his finger at her. At which point, the Republicans take his finger wagging to mean she was getting a break on not being indicted, which causes Comey to finally come clean on how little there is to the case, doing so only when it was necessary in order to defend himself.

Which is why I'm still not sure if Comey is just a partisan asshole or just completely spineless to where he's letting the Republicans' "work the refs" strategy lead him into making dumb mistakes. In either scenario he's demonstrated that he's not fit for his job.
 
dragonfart28 said:
I know LA Times polls are bullshit and the electoral college is still in Hillary's favour but the aggregates are showing a huge spike and the gap is less than 3 points now.
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actually, the aggregates are showing zero fucking movement in any poll worth a damn and even in most of the trackers, and the race is by and large still looking like 4-7

go piss yourself elsewhere
 
jelly said:
Isn't it odd how Obama in an election isn't half as bonkers as this election. What's in the water these days that makes people lose it.
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The hate for Hillary runs even deeper. The 90s were just as ridiculous, we just didn't have social media to be total assholes about it.
 
Glass Joe said:
I'm confused. Didn't Comey mention Clinton's emails?
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Two problems with this. The first is that Comey didn't know what was going to be in the emails because they haven't been reviewed yet. The second is that it doesn't matter a damn if there are Clinton emails involved because it's the much lesser story. This scandal is all about the director of the FBI overstepping his bounds to interfere with a Presidential Election.

Glass Joe said:
Even Clinton reacted strongly:

"We are 11 days out from perhaps the most important national election of our lifetimes," Clinton said in a press conference in Des Moines, Iowa. "Voting is already underway in our country, so the American people deserve to get the full and complete facts immediately."
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This is because innuendo can damage the Clinton campaign in a way that facts cannot. Again, this is all on Comey and his stupidity.


AlphaDump said:
The hate for Hillary runs even deeper. The 90s were just as ridiculous, we just didn't have social media to be total assholes about it.
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Yeah, Clinton is the most heavily attacked politician in the US. The main reason why so many people think that she's corrupt is because she's been smeared for over twenty years. If you look at her record, she's actually cleaner than most politicians.
 
Clinton twitter just retweeted an article titled "How to choose between the most corrupt, least popular candidates of all-time"


Um....

The article is slightly nicer with a list of Trump vs Clinton but uhhhhhh that's an awful look on twitter
 
I don't envy Comey one bit.

I can just imagine what his first reaction was when the Calvary came in to say "Hey, we found some emails regarding Hillary Clinton in our investigation into Weiner."

Comey: Fuck, really?

Calvary: Yeah..

Comey: Fuck

He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't in this scenario. Say you found them now...You are trying to swing an election. Wait until after the election, you are covering and trying to swing an election.

There was no where for him to go on this that would have been "politically" neutral.
 
Raven117 said:
I don't envy Comey one bit.

I can just imagine what his first reaction was when the Calvary came in to say "Hey, we found some emails regarding Hillary Clinton in our investigation into Weiner."

Comey: Fuck, really?

Calvary: Yeah..

Comey: Fuck

He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't in this scenario. Say you found them now...You are trying to swing an election. Wait until after the election, you are covering and trying to swing an election.

There was no where for him to go on this that would have been "politically" neutral.
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Not really. Normal procedure is not to comment on this stuff at all. There's a reason for that. If he had waited until when he was supposed to do it only the crazies would have accused him of covering it up.
 
B-Dubs said:
Not really. Normal procedure is not to comment on this stuff at all. There's a reason for that. If he had waited until when he was supposed to do it only the crazies would have accused him of covering it up.
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Especially since the FBI hasn't reviewed those emails yet. Besides, bureaucracy provides for quite a bit of protection for people who follow protocol. Comey would have been fine if he kept to procedure because that's what the FBI always does. Even if that was his thought process, he was putting his own skin above his job and about the sanctity of American democratic institutions. He rightfully deserves to be flayed over this.
 
B-Dubs said:
Not really. Normal procedure is not to comment on this stuff at all. There's a reason for that. If he had waited until when he was supposed to do it only the crazies would have accused him of covering it up.
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Its happened before. Its a policy, not a procedure. I think this was an exceedingly fact specific inquiry. I'm not saying he made the right or wrong choice here. Im saying that there is realistically no way for this to have been politically "neutral."

You say "crazies" as in some limited number, but I think the number would be very high. Regardless...all hypothetical anyway.

It happened. Early polling shows its not a great factor (lets hope it is indeed not a big deal in the minds of voters), and we can end this nightmare election cycle with Trump getting his ass handed to him.
 
Raven117 said:
I don't envy Comey one bit.

I can just imagine what his first reaction was when the Calvary came in to say "Hey, we found some emails regarding Hillary Clinton in our investigation into Weiner."

Comey: Fuck, really?

Calvary: Yeah..

Comey: Fuck

He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't in this scenario. Say you found them now...You are trying to swing an election. Wait until after the election, you are covering and trying to swing an election.

There was no where for him to go on this that would have been "politically" neutral.
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But there was. It's the common practice of the Justice Department and even framed by the Hatch Act. The Neutral position would be to not publish a vague letter with no substance behind it whatsoever.
 
Raven117 said:
I don't envy Comey one bit.

I can just imagine what his first reaction was when the Calvary came in to say "Hey, we found some emails regarding Hillary Clinton in our investigation into Weiner."

Comey: Fuck, really?

Calvary: Yeah..

Comey: Fuck

He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't in this scenario. Say you found them now...You are trying to swing an election. Wait until after the election, you are covering and trying to swing an election.

There was no where for him to go on this that would have been "politically" neutral.
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his peers were more like, "You really don't have to do this; in fact, don't." but Comey was like, "Lol, I'm gonna do it."
 
Obviously, there is much to discuss on this issue and obviously depending on your political leaning can support one's chosen position on the topic.

I will indeed leave it at that as I don't wish to defend, criticize or support what Comey did and continued engagement in this topic will force me to play devil's advocate. A perilous position on PoliGaf!

My closing note is that I hope early polling is right, and this isn't much of an issue when it comes to casting votes.
 
Raven117 said:
I don't envy Comey one bit.

I can just imagine what his first reaction was when the Calvary came in to say "Hey, we found some emails regarding Hillary Clinton in our investigation into Weiner."

Comey: Fuck, really?

Calvary: Yeah..

Comey: Fuck

He was damned if he did, damned if he didn't in this scenario. Say you found them now...You are trying to swing an election. Wait until after the election, you are covering and trying to swing an election.

There was no where for him to go on this that would have been "politically" neutral.
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I think you're right that no matter what, he'd come under fire from somewhere. I also would not want to be in his position. But by sticking to department policy, it gives him political cover for his decisions. "I would have told you, but my hands were tied."

By deviating from established policy, he doesn't have any way to defend himself from attacks that his actions were politically motivated. He doesn't really have an excuse because he had to intentionally step outside the boundaries of precedent.
 
Raven117 said:
Obviously, there is much to discuss on this issue and obviously depending on your political leaning can support one's chosen position on the topic.

I will indeed leave it at that as I don't wish to defend, criticize or support what Comey did and continued engagement in this topic will force me to play devil's advocate. A perilous position on PoliGaf!

My closing note is that I hope early polling is right, and this isn't much of an issue when it comes to casting votes.
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This letter published at the time it was has political meaning. It's not neutral. The timing doesn't leave much time for the affected party to react, and the nature of any investigative process will prevent the electorate of being fully informed of the validity of the investigation itself before the election. This was a calculated move. It will have repercussions to everyone involved.
 
Raven117 said:
Obviously, there is much to discuss on this issue and obviously depending on your political leaning can support one's chosen position on the topic.
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It doesn't have much to do with political leanings because it's about an abuse of power. I'd be just as critical if Comey decided to pull this stunt on Trump.
 
Seems like there's basically two camps at the FBI just leaking whatever stuff (true or false) which makes whoever they are rooting for look good/bad. This has to be an incredible low point in their history. Comey has lost control.
 
Not sure why people are saying FBI is now terrible, its a bigger problem if top CIA/FBI don't like Hillary.
They will spend the next 4 years undermining her, making 1 person stand down wont fix that.
 
Idk if this is has already been made into a thread, but if not:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html

FBI Director James Comey argued privately that it was too close to Election Day for the United States government to name Russia as meddling in the U.S. election and ultimately ensured that the FBI's name was not on the document that the U.S. government put out, a former bureau official tells CNBC.

The official said some government insiders are perplexed as to why Comey would have election timing concerns with the Russian disclosure but not with the Huma Abedin email discovery disclosure he made Friday.

In the end, the Department of Homeland Security and The Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued the statement on Oct. 7, saying: "The U.S. intelligence community is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations. ... These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the U.S. election process."
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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
 
Team Alucard said:
Wrong.
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NBC/ Surveyrmonkey, latest poll tonight: 0 movement between before and after Friday, clinton 6 pts ahead

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/da...al-lead-over-trump-despite-fbi-letter-n675771

CNN poll of polls, 47 to 42%, unchanged.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/30/politics/poll-clinton-trump-florida-north-carolina/index.html

Needless to say that after what we know of Trump's behavior, and having a recording of Trump boasting of sexual assault and 12 victims coming forward, that's definitely 42% of deplorables (and that's a rather tame word for it).
Plain disgusting.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Seems like there's basically two camps at the FBI just leaking whatever stuff (true or false) which makes whoever they are rooting for look good/bad. This has to be an incredible low point in their history. Comey has lost control.
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Just learning from the CIA.

Maybe, maybe the USA will take a lesson from this and stop interfering in governments around the wor- bahahahahah like that'll ever happen.

Please make friends with Iran so you can stop supporting Saudi Arabia it's the only way to actually stop the terrorists. And fix up Pakistan.

If Wikileaks do have the deleted emails (and judging by the lack of basic IT security, plus Podesta falling for a Phishing email) regardless of source then if theres any SAP tier emails involved this is all over. If they don't however then who knows whats going to happen.

This is Hilary's to lose - Trump can't fall any lower now with the Pussygate scandal done. It's essentially made it nigh impossible to get the 270 but after what happened this year in Aus and the Libs somehow remaining in Government nothings impossible.
 
And the FBI-email fun begins:

F.B.I. Begins Review of Clinton Aide’s Emails
WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. on Monday began loading a trove of emails belonging to a top aide to Hillary Clinton into a special computer program that would allow bureau analysts to determine whether they contain classified information, law enforcement officials said.

The software should allow them to learn relatively quickly how many emails are copies of messages they have already read as part of the investigation into the use of Mrs. Clinton’s private server. The F.B.I. completed that investigation in July and, along with prosecutors, decided not to bring any charges against Mrs. Clinton or her aides.

Whether investigators will be able to complete their review by Election Day is unclear, although they have been under intense pressure from officials in both parties to do so since Friday, when the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, revealed the existence of the emails in an explosive letter to Congress.

Robert E. Anderson Jr., a former senior F.B.I. executive, said it could take less than a day for the program to identify duplicates. He said that the program would organize the duplicates in a special folder and that F.B.I. agents and analysts would then check each of them to make sure they were indeed copies.

Should the F.B.I. find emails it has never seen before containing potentially classified material, copies would have to be sent to other government agencies to determine their classification — an elaborate and lengthy process.

The emails belong to Huma Abedin, the aide to Mrs. Clinton. Agents discovered them on a laptop seized by the F.B.I. that belongs to Ms. Abedin’s estranged husband, Anthony D. Weiner, who is under investigation on allegations that he exchanged illicit text messages with a 15-year-old girl.

While the hunt for classified information is the bureau’s first priority, it is not the most significant issue for either Ms. Abedin or Mrs. Clinton. Investigators have already determined that Mrs. Clinton and her aides improperly sent classified information on her private email server. The Justice Department concluded, though, that it could not prove they did it intentionally, which would be a crime. Finding more classified information among Ms. Abedin’s emails would not immediately change that conclusion.

The agents will also focus on whether this new material contains any evidence that anyone may have tried to conceal these newly discovered emails or others from investigators, which could amount to a crime. Ms. Abedin has said she turned over all her emails to the F.B.I. months ago and does not know how emails ended up on Mr. Weiner’s laptop. Officials have said in the past that there is no indication that Ms. Abedin or Mrs. Clinton tried to conceal information from the authorities.

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As part of that inquiry, the agents built a system that allowed them to examine thousands of emails to see whether they contained sensitive national security information. When the agents identified potentially classified materials, they sent copies of the emails to other government agencies to determine their classification.

The emails the F.B.I. is now searching could well be like scores already made public by the State Department under the Freedom of Information Act, including some of the additional ones uncovered by the bureau’s investigation and turned over to the department this summer.
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More at NY Times
 
MIMIC said:
And the FBI-email fun begins:

F.B.I. Begins Review of Clinton Aide’s Emails


More at NY Times
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It would only be huge if there's something there was explicitly labeled as classified, which should be easily found through everyday search functionality, but those emails likely don't exist and never existed.

Going through the whole processes of making other agencies have to determine if something was classified does nothing but up the count of however many emails had classified info in them, which is pretty meaningless. Who cares what the final count is, unless there's like hundreds of them.
 
thepotatoman said:
It would only be huge if there's something there was explicitly labeled as classified, which should be easily found through everyday search functionality, but those emails likely don't exist and never existed.

Going through the whole processes of making other agencies have to determine if something was classified does nothing but up the count of however many emails had classified info in them, which is pretty meaningless. Who cares what the final count is, unless there's like hundreds of them.
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Or anything pointing to withholding/destroying information.

Basically anything proving intent will get results as well.

Pay to play could also be an interesting find that could beget charges.

As to who cares if classified is sent unsecureunsecured? The federal government would revoke a clearance in a heartbeat if this wasn't Clinton.
 
diablos991 said:
Or anything pointing to withholding/destroying information.

Basically anything proving intent will get results as well.

Pay to play could also be an interesting find that could beget charges.

As to who cares if classified is sent unsecureunsecured? The federal government would revoke a clearance in a heartbeat if this wasn't Clinton.
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So when will Trump be charged since he's done the same thing in defiance of a court order.
 
diablos991 said:
Or anything pointing to withholding/destroying information.

Basically anything proving intent will get results as well.

Pay to play could also be an interesting find that could beget charges.
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It's highly unlikely that there will be anything juicy. It's not as if Clinton set up her server with the idea of breaking the law in mind.
 
thepotatoman said:
It would only be huge if there's something there was explicitly labeled as classified, which should be easily found through everyday search functionality, but those emails likely don't exist and never existed.

Going through the whole processes of making other agencies have to determine if something was classified does nothing but up the count of however many emails had classified info in them, which is pretty meaningless. Who cares what the final count is, unless there's like hundreds of them.
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Isn't it going to be the case that the election will be over before they produce findings anyway? Even in the off chance something caused bother would it not just be a case of Clinton stepping down and the VP taking over? Meaning Trump doesn't get to be in charge regardless.
 
diablos991 said:
Ask the prosecutors and investigators. If there is enough proof there is no doubt people would chomp at the bit to charge Trump.
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Wasn't their a motion to investigate this in Congress... and it was blocked by the GOP? I don't want to make up news, but I thought I remember reading that somewhere.
 
Garlador said:
Wasn't their a motion to investigate this in Congress... and it was blocked by the GOP? I don't want to make up news, but I thought I remember reading that somewhere.
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No idea on that story but Congress isn't the only investigative body. If there was enough evidence of Trump destroying evidence he would be hauled into court -- not Congress.
 
diablos991 said:
No idea on that story but Congress isn't the only investigative body. If there was enough evidence of Trump destroying evidence he would be hauled into court -- not Congress.
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Isn't there plenty of evidence already of him illegally using charity funds for personal purchases? I mean, that's stuff's on record and nothing has come of it.
 
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