Exactly. The sense of the unknown from TWD is not present here. They seem to know everything they need to know about the walkers.
Zombies haven't been the biggest threat, people have.
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Fear the Walking Dead - Season Two, Part Two - Sundays on AMC
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Exactly. The sense of the unknown from TWD is not present here. They seem to know everything they need to know about the walkers.
Zombies haven't been the biggest threat, people have.
Last night my wife and I were watching and I was soooo fuckin bored I said "Let's just drop this show, it really sucks." BUT my wife wants to stick it out until the end of the season so I guess that's what we're doing. I suppose we have this much time invested anyway at this point so why not. Its real disappointing because we both love the main show, so we were hoping this would be a good way to get that hype going while we wait for it to return. No such luck.
The writing is just garbage on this show though. Man is it ever terrible. There's a good number of talented people working on the show, its just that all of it is squandered on really bad writing. Its not creative, its not even interesting. Its just consistently boring and things happen that are so unbelievably stupid that its all you can focus on. I know we've talked about the guys getting eaten on the road a couple of episodes ago, but holy Christ I still can't stop thinking about that one. And the plan in the hotel to lure all the walkers into a room and then Alicia barely makes it out alive? Its like they're just trying to make suspenseful moments happen at the expense of common sense. We can only suspend disbelief so far.
Yeesh. What a turd of a show.
The writing is just garbage on this show though. Man is it ever terrible. There's a good number of talented people working on the show, its just that all of it is squandered on really bad writing. Its not creative, its not even interesting. Its just consistently boring and things happen that are so unbelievably stupid that its all you can focus on. I know we've talked about the guys getting eaten on the road a couple of episodes ago, but holy Christ I still can't stop thinking about that one. And the plan in the hotel to lure all the walkers into a room and then Alicia barely makes it out alive? Its like they're just trying to make suspenseful moments happen at the expense of common sense. We can only suspend disbelief so far.
Yeesh. What a turd of a show.
bitbydeath
Member
The only characters I care for are Alica and Daniel. (Maybe Madison)
The rest can be killed off, get some fresh characters, new writers and get the hell out of Mexico and go somewhere where life is actually sustainable.
The rest can be killed off, get some fresh characters, new writers and get the hell out of Mexico and go somewhere where life is actually sustainable.
I legitimately don't even know who Daniel is and I've seen every episode, lol. Alicia acts like a naive cardboard cutout to me. Madison got some interesting development with Strand in the episode before last but even she is pretty unlikable IMO.
Hopefully he kills Chris.
Not seeing the interest in Travis/Chris honestly. Chris acts like a murderous psycho with a dad who's constantly chasing him and blinding hoping he falls back into the formation of sanity.
Nothing relatable here. Chris is such an awkwardly written character, lol. Travis is likable but pretty willfully ignorant.
Nothing relatable here. Chris is such an awkwardly written character, lol. Travis is likable but pretty willfully ignorant.
bitbydeath
Member
Daniel is Ofelia's father, the guy who burned down the barn last half season.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
The actor who plays
has been cast in a recurring role on Agents of SHIELD, which may or may not spell doom for his character on FtWD. (Actors can recur on more than one show.)
I mean, it's really smart from the character's perspectives. For the audience it's not particularly exciting though, I agree.
For all intents and purposes, in The Walking Dead universe, they are. Characters have tried to disinfect bites before and it never works.
_____Chris
I mean, it's really smart from the character's perspectives. For the audience it's not particularly exciting though, I agree.
For all intents and purposes, in The Walking Dead universe, they are. Characters have tried to disinfect bites before and it never works.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
I just want to see Chris die.
If he dies, everything else is forgiven lol.
If he dies, everything else is forgiven lol.
Mighty Chin
Banned
That's basically all I'm hoping for out of this show. I want to see them all die.
I want to like this show but it's pretty bad it feels like there just making it up as they go. The bit with walking the zombies into the sea was just the same thing that happened in the regular show. I just want some interesting characters and some horror I thought this show was a wd prequel show then I thought it was a horror oreintated wd show now I think it's a soap opera set in the walking dead universe. Can't see this getting a third season at this rate. Also fucking lol at Jr. Depp being a pharmacist because he was a drug addict.
Theanine3D
Member
Wait, what? He died?
Theanine3D
Member
Sorry, bad wording on my part. No he hasn't died.
I do think he's going to die. I have no insider knowledge whatsoever though, so it's just a hunch.
RandomSeed
Member
In TWD, the characters had to cover themselves in guts (we're talking intestine necklaces and zombie hands and feet lapels) from head to toe to be able to blend in, but these guys on FTWD can just apply a zombie blood facial and become invisible. Just make a gut scented mask and walk around like you don't give a fuck 24/7. Maybe some zombie cologne.
I agree with the others on here that the zombies are just declawed kitty cats batting at a ball of yarn on this show.
I agree with the others on here that the zombies are just declawed kitty cats batting at a ball of yarn on this show.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
It's already been renewed for a third season. And despite the falling ratings, it's still easily the #1 show on cable in the demo.
I don't think they had to cover themselves in guts - Rick and Glenn didn't really know what they were doing back then. They just did because it was only the second episode of the series, so more gore = better, grosser, flashier = more people talking.
Remember Michonne's zombie slaves? Just being in close proximity with them was enough to mask her scent from the horde of zombies she made her way through. And in the season 5 premiere when Carol went all Rambo on Terminus, she just wore a poncho covered in blood.
KibblesBits
Member
So MANY people on this website THIRSTY for this show to fail and be cancelled because they didn't get to see civilization fall/more action/different setting/Chris die/etc... kekeke.
^_^
ComputerBlue
Member
The one thing I don't like about the overuse of zombie guts so much at this point is that if TWD is anything to go by, the plot armor is already up there. But here heavily compounded by the fact that they're constantly walking around with zombie guts on them, which is a get out a jail free card pretty much, both from an in universe perspective, and a way for the writing to get lazy. Hopefully though going forward they work on character and story development because right now the actual zombie threat is essentially non existent. I am enjoying the show though.
I remember a lot of people hating S2 of the walking dead because it was slow, I loved it though. This has potential but only if they do something different. Right now it's a lot of reused idea's we've already seen on TWD.
I remember a lot of people hating S2 of the walking dead because it was slow, I loved it though. This has potential but only if they do something different. Right now it's a lot of reused idea's we've already seen on TWD.
Se_7_eN
Member
The fiance and I have decided not to continue the second half of the first season... The 'Walkers' weren't a threat at all, more laughable than anything and none of the characters are interesting.
Reading this thread, it doesn't sound like the second half of the first season has changed anything.
Reading this thread, it doesn't sound like the second half of the first season has changed anything.
MulderYuffie
Member
Isn't the big appeal of something like this the human interactions and big of a threat other people can be? Shambling corpses always came off as just the backdrop for a show like this. Can't understand why people want it to fail so bad when the main show has the same if not worse amounts of boring/filler (the farm why?) and every season Daryl and Carol getting something or someone new to cry about while wlaking through the woods endlessly.
Best scene was Trevor smashing the car window and open it without unlocking lol
GreySquirrel
Member
I am all for suspension of belief but I was WTFing all through that pier plan. So they are going to run through the hotel, opening all the doors and literally all the walkers are going to follow them out, down several flights of stairs etc and generally all navigate themselves to the pier.
Also, that bitten guys story "so there was this guy on drugs, everyone thought he was actually a walker, so threw him in with the rest. I went to save him but ended up getting bit" I thought he was building up to saying it was the drugged guy who bit him but nope he's not questioning it despite explaining about that guy and neither is Nick...
Also, that bitten guys story "so there was this guy on drugs, everyone thought he was actually a walker, so threw him in with the rest. I went to save him but ended up getting bit" I thought he was building up to saying it was the drugged guy who bit him but nope he's not questioning it despite explaining about that guy and neither is Nick...
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Ratings:
Season Two:
Episode 1: 6.7 million viewers and a 3.1 A18-49 rating
Episode 2: 5.6 million viewers and a 2.5 A18-49 rating
Episode 3: 4.7 million viewers and a 2.1 A18-49 rating
Episode 4: 4.8 million viewers and a 2.2 A18-49 rating
Episode 5: 4.4 million viewers and a 2.0 A18-49 rating
Episode 6: 4.5 million viewers and a 1.9 A18-49 rating
Episode 7: 4.4 million viewers and a 1.9 A18-49 rating
Episode 8: 3.9 million viewers and a 1.6 A18-49 rating
Episode 9: 3.7 million viewers and a 1.6 A18-49 rating
Episode 10: 3.0 million viewers and 1.2 A18-49 rating
Episode 11: 3.4 million viewers and 1.5 A18-49 rating
Season Two:
Episode 1: 6.7 million viewers and a 3.1 A18-49 rating
Episode 2: 5.6 million viewers and a 2.5 A18-49 rating
Episode 3: 4.7 million viewers and a 2.1 A18-49 rating
Episode 4: 4.8 million viewers and a 2.2 A18-49 rating
Episode 5: 4.4 million viewers and a 2.0 A18-49 rating
Episode 6: 4.5 million viewers and a 1.9 A18-49 rating
Episode 7: 4.4 million viewers and a 1.9 A18-49 rating
Episode 8: 3.9 million viewers and a 1.6 A18-49 rating
Episode 9: 3.7 million viewers and a 1.6 A18-49 rating
Episode 10: 3.0 million viewers and 1.2 A18-49 rating
Episode 11: 3.4 million viewers and 1.5 A18-49 rating
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Ratings were up this week...
Did you miss the part of my post you quoted where I said overall? Look at the beginning of this season man, lol. It started at almost 7 and we're gunna dip below 3 soon. Every week or so the ratings go up a little, but if you look at a graph you'll have a better understanding..
That's a fucking massive drop (even if it's still really good for TV ratings). At this rate we could be done after next season.
MulderYuffie
Member
I don't think it'll be cancelled after next season good to see it went up in ratings this week.
KibblesBits
Member
I also have this sentiment. Fear is not going anywhere anytime soon. It's cheap and easy to produce and keeps TWD fans and haters fed during the off season. AMC will keep this running for at least two more, maybe three seasons.
I enjoy the show but at a very base level of 'eh i like some of the actors, the performances are generally good, but the storylines could be swapped out for others and i wouldnt care.' During the first season i was hoping this was gonna be a lot better since it seemed more ambitious but they definitely have fallen into the typical filler cycle Walking Dead is known for, and when you are doing that, i still like the vast majority of actors on the other series a lot more. I mean Reedus and Lincoln are showrunners for me so as long as they keep trucken ill watch the show.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Yep.
Again, it's #1 show on cable right now. Comfortably. The ratings are good. Still. The ratings would have to absolutely collapse from where they are now for AMC to even consider cancelling it after only 3 seasons. Turn, an AMC show that averaged 1.4 million viewers in its first season, 773K in its second, and 566K in its third, has managed to snag a fourth season, so if that show can do it so can Fear the Walking Dead. Easily.
AMC could, of course, decide that the show is damaging The Walking Dead brand and end it early (possibly making another spin off to replace it with), but that would have more to do with the perceived lack of quality than the ratings. And even then they would probably try to overhaul it first before outright cancelling it.
My wife and I are on the very limit of dropping this show. It's on a whole other level of bad. Last week, they get a car going and have to quickly get away, this was in very sunny broad daylight. Next shot, BOOM! They are driving in pitch black darkness. They only just start checking out the car inside and the dialogue makes it seem like they just started driving. How? The show is full of mistakes like this. Sloppy editing, really boring, stupid character choices, the feeling of it going nowhere. Ugh...
rainking187
Member
Yeah, my interest in this series is waning. Unless something crazy happens in the finale I won't be back for season three.
Theanine3D
Member
I do hope it sticks around and improves. The main TWD show has had low points in terms of quality/writing too, but it always eventually recovered and picked up again.
I actually wouldn't mind the bolded. I'd love to see another series set way up north where we could get some snow zombies. Maybe even in Canada. Blood in the snow.
Right now. Like I said before, anyone who looks at a graph can see how much trouble this show will eventually be in. You can't just bank on people eating it up because it's got "The Walking Dead" in the title.
At this rate we'll be in the thousands by the end of next season (considering the show dropped 50% of it's overall viewership in 11 episodes). Interest in this show is plummeting.. that's not something to scoff at. You really don't think a consistent nosedive in viewership is damaging TWD brand? Perceived lack of quality is what's dropping the ratings.. it's not coincidence.
And with good reason. Doesn't seem like they really had a plan for what they wanted to accomplish (the more episodes release).
Of course, with how successful the brand is, they could just start another spin-off which I'd be totally cool with. There's just not really much going on with what we've currently got (aside from a few good episodes here and there).
I think the only hope they have is to imply a crossover with twd, like Alicia, Nick, and Strand somehow meeting up with Rick and the gang. I think everyone else should die and isn't worth keeping as a character.
You'd think the #1 show on TV could muster up a few bucks to have some decent world building.
It would be interesting to see some sort of crossover meet up, I agree. But my God I don't understand what people see in Alicia. She is a hallow shell of a character and has almost no relatability aside from making mistakes early on/being a naive teen.
Strand, Nick, Daniel, and Travis (even if it's kind of a hopeless dumbass) are the only people who I'm decently interested in but I couldn't care less if they bit the dust next episode.
I shamelessly admit to mainly liking her because she's nice to look at. I imagine that's why most people like her. She's also been pretty badass the last couple of episodes.
I don't get it. What about her is even slightly compelling? The interaction between Madison and Strand, for example, was far more interesting than any character development that's happened with Alicia. Her character was far too gone once she almost abandoned her entire family for some shithead she knew for a few episodes (who lied to her and was directly involved in their capture). That alone made me despise her.
I really don't think she would have been casted if not for how attractive she is. She's provided almost nothing of interest in the 17+ episodes she's been in. The only thing I enjoyed mildly involving her character was the relationship she had with her boyfriend early in the show.
Nothing is compelling about her, its just that she's the only one that wants to get shit done so far in these...3-4 eps lol.
It's weird to me, though. Both her and Nick want to be there for their family/friends one episode, then totally abandon them as if they'd never met in their entire lives (ie Nick leaving for literally no reason to venture through cartel ridden Mexico alone, Alicia almost abandoning her entire family with some random captor for literally no reason).
Yeah, I don't think her acting is bad though, it's just poor writing for a lot of the characters. I feel like Strand was hella interesting in the first season and not nearly as much this season. He should still be pulling cons and stuff with other survivor groups. Nick is doing some fairly interesting things basically becoming a drug dealer. Everyone else is pretty boring. I feel like Chris should actually go further into psycho mode and become like a murdering gang leader, I think that's where they are going but it's just taking a while. He's kind of miscast for that role though just because he seems kind of too scrawny to inspire fear. A bigger scarier dude who's also a psycho who's a better fighter / military type guy would have no problem taking him out. Maybe not if he can inspire a loyal following of his American dude bros to protect him before that happens though. I just don't think he's really that inspiring.
I don't think she's a good actor. Not bad, but she was clearly cast for her looks and doesn't do very well with emotional scenes. Maybe she's a lot better and it's just the poor content but I really don't think so.
I felt like the Strand and Madison scene in the bar was one of the best in the entire, if not the absolute best, in terms of character development. That's the only time I felt like "wow, this is TWD level of writing" (when it's good). They simply don't have enough of these moments in both shows. I do feel like the last 2 episodes have really concentrated on character development and that's a great thing but they've gotta couple it with risk and there's just no sense of urgency or fear.
Nick is pretty compelling when he's done right, I agree. I feel like Strand is becoming as interesting as he's ever been in these last few episodes.
Theanine3D
Member
I agree. Her moment in the last episode where she started to cry while telling Madison she thought she was dead, came off as so fake. Her acting was absolutely atrocious in that scene.