Bluekaveli
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Thanks a lot Roman
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February Wrasslin' |OT| WrassleGAF. In 2016.
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This is new. WWE has put up Security Camera footage of Dash and Dawson attacking Enzo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFYPQO3Hm2k
This is definitely leading to that rumor of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFYPQO3Hm2k
This is definitely leading to that rumor of
the title match on the Toronto show
Fire everybody involved in the editing of this. EVERYONE. That actually made my head hurt, holy shit.
Going from Brock's beatdown to that is not a good time.
Perspicacity
Banned
Okay. I was wondering if there was pushback from parental groups for them really going in with a furry character. Sad because it could have been good visibility for the movement.
Good god. Is it my computer or does it look like they are stuck in a pocket dimension where time is sped up?
serenewarfare
Banned
All I know is that the match at Toronto was definitely in the script as of a month ago. Whether it changed or not, I don't know. Seems like it hasn't.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Episode 2 of Edge & Christian's show was way funnier than the first one. Zack Ryder cursing like a maniac was funny.
Ravensmash
Member
Perhaps, but their other RAW listings don't have that vs. included.
If it's a typo then it's an odd one!
Was it funnier because of Zack Ryder or did E&C find a better groove?
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Depends on if you listened to uh, whatever this guy mentions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I3RWYN1SWc
holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that drop
BFIB
Member
Watched Raw.
Thoughts:
-The Fucking Jason Bourne shaky cam crap has got to go. Seeing that constant "zoom in, zoom out" while Triple H was engraving the WWE logo on Roman's forehead was ridiculous.
-Roman.......can't really say anything that's already been said a million times. Normally, I have to respect the talent, no matter how I agree, or disagree with the direction, but I honestly hope the crowd just shits all over this. Not that it will matter, but seriously, I have not seen a guy like Roman booked this shitty since Diesel during his run. Oh wait, the similarities are endless!
-I actually liked the buildup for Brock/Ambrose. I liked it more when it was Spike Dudley vs. Mike Awesome though
-Charlotte continues to amaze. Wearing Bryan's attire was awesome.
-Shane wrestling.....in 2016. Meanwhile, there is a Finn Balor down in NXT that would be an amazing opponent for 'Taker. or Owens. Basically, why the fuck should I care about this match? Is 'Taker heel in this? Once again the booking doesn't really specify.
Thoughts:
-The Fucking Jason Bourne shaky cam crap has got to go. Seeing that constant "zoom in, zoom out" while Triple H was engraving the WWE logo on Roman's forehead was ridiculous.
-Roman.......can't really say anything that's already been said a million times. Normally, I have to respect the talent, no matter how I agree, or disagree with the direction, but I honestly hope the crowd just shits all over this. Not that it will matter, but seriously, I have not seen a guy like Roman booked this shitty since Diesel during his run. Oh wait, the similarities are endless!
-I actually liked the buildup for Brock/Ambrose. I liked it more when it was Spike Dudley vs. Mike Awesome though
-Charlotte continues to amaze. Wearing Bryan's attire was awesome.
-Shane wrestling.....in 2016. Meanwhile, there is a Finn Balor down in NXT that would be an amazing opponent for 'Taker. or Owens. Basically, why the fuck should I care about this match? Is 'Taker heel in this? Once again the booking doesn't really specify.
The shaky cam and zoom in and out shit during the HHH/Roman bit was quite possibly the worst it has ever been
I've noticed this. Apart from Bryan's retirement it seems they have been leaving the third hour to die.
Honestly, booking a really strong two hour show + third hour of filler isn't that bad of an idea since they can't get rid of the third hour.
Sound choice.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
how are you going to fulfill their television deals?
Well you have to suffer with the 3 hour Raws until their next contract renegotiation comes through. But once they can negotiate that, they need to kill off the 3 hour show.
excelsiorlef
Member
Why feed a NXT guy to Taker? They'd get nothing from it
BoboBrazil
Member
Meltz seems to think that Shane wouldn't come back long term unless he had an actual executive office position, which goes along with my thinking that he went out on his own to gain experience running a company and will now come back to eventually run it when Vince leaves along with Steph and HHH.
It's a shame they locked that deal. It was a big mistake for the quality of the product.
With the talent they have they could produce a really solid 2 hour show but 3 hours coupled with a bad creative team = an uneven show that's almost impossible to watch from start to finish.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Bold prediction. Sasha vs Charlotte or possibly Sasha vs Becky vs Charlotte will be Match of the Night at Mania.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
WWE has no more leverage in their TV negotiation deals. They took a big gamble the last time and lost bad
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Let's revisit this idea in 2019 when the TV deal is up
I can see that. Their Board of Directors has a hard pill to swallow with HHH trying to take over as he has no formal education or experience elsewhere. He's a blue collar guy, so to speak, compared to someone who should be running the company. Shane has better qualifications, and has experience with other companies, not just something handed to him. It's promising.
Also, how many times have Sheamus and Reigns have faced in the last like 4 months?
They run matches to the ground, it's tiring. Talent gets exposed, injured and it doesn't produce a quality product.
2 hours, less matches, more segments, some jobbers. There.
Save the big matches for big occasions and PPVs.
They run matches to the ground, it's tiring. Talent gets exposed, injured and it doesn't produce a quality product.
2 hours, less matches, more segments, some jobbers. There.
Save the big matches for big occasions and PPVs.
serenewarfare
Banned
Any negotiation where you tell USA you are giving them less product is going to result in a greatly reduced deal, and a majority of WWE's revenue comes from the TV deal. They can't just willingly slash tens of millions off their contract.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
"We're here at wrestlemania, HHH vs Roman Reigns for the WWE Title! Wait, what's Roman got there in the ring?!?!?"
Not too bold of a prediction, especially if they're allowed time on the broadcast and are given time to choreograph the match like they did on NXT.
Jesus, it's not until 2019? Vince fucked up.
There are other things you can do in the meantime to make 3 hour Raws slightly more bearable, though.
1- Stop recapping what happened during the same show.
2- Too many commercial breaks. There were a couple instances last night where it was commercial - intros - commercial again.
3- Too many commercials during fucking matches.
4- Matches are truthfully going on too long. Trim some of the matches so we don't get multiple commercial breaks during them.
5- Give more wrestlers promo time.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
#1 makes things worse as that's more time to fill
#2 is necessary
#3 is necessary
#4 this would make things worse as there'd be more time to fill
#5 I'm all on board for
As far as things that I think would make it better, it'd be nice to splice in more Network original footage of different shows, but I don't know if that works to cross purposes with USA's own content needing to be pushed and if a streaming competitor to them is allowed to be done. Also, this hurts the live experience.
I don't think there's a lot more to do that can be done. WCW had 3 hour Nitros that USUALLY were okay, but you had a huge variation of wrestlers in that first or second hour. Lucha especially. Maybe WWE can work with their lightweights to find a way.
I feel like you just contradicted yourself since you complained about having to fill more time, and then supported something that would fill more time.
Also, I really don't think commercial breaks during matches are really that necessary.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Commercials are how people get paid, daddeh
I didn't say get rid of commercial breaks, though. I just said don't put them in the middle of matches.
For all the comparisons WWE likes to make to real sports, you never see the NFL cut to commercial in the middle of a play.
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Deleted member 47027
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A better comparison would be in the middle of a drive, though. Which can happen, briefly
But the on-screen product stops for the TV time out. You don't start with the Patriots on the 40 yard line, cut to commercial, and suddenly the Jets have the ball on the 10.
Cool if true
Isn't that where He-Man lives?
"...and after Damien Sandow finished his clean pin of Roman Reigns to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, I had a massive threesome with Becky Lynch and Bayley before Vince shook my hand and said I had full booking control for the rest of my life.
Copyrighted material. Do not steal."
Amory
Member
holy shit when was this?Shane's gonna do something crazy...AGAIN.
I think ideally, you'd have HHH running the on-air product and talent in general, Stephanie running the PR side, and Shane running business/finance.
Play to each of their strengths rather than trying to get a one size fits all thing because you will need tons of people to replace Vince.
But why not fill time with interesting content? Create some segments, do some jobber matches to show off talent.
Just do something different.
Seriously, apart from Shane was there anything unexpected on Raw? Or, hell, even interesting or different?
The show has 3 hours and no creativity, it's a deadly combination.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Well if Wal Street does want a college educated man/woman to run the company its going to be Shane or Steph.
I can't see HHH getting board approval to run anything other than talent and creative.
HHH's place is talent and creative. It's what he is being groomed to do and what he can do.
This seems like the most rushed, under produced, half baked build up to a Wrestlemania that I can remember. Shane-O-Mac returns?!! I know some people are marking out, but honestly, it feels like it won't solve the real underlying issues with WWE:
1. Awful booking
2. Injuries to multiple wrestlers
3. A lack of a likable and "over" guy to spearhead the company
Shane will be back, and we'll once again have a program where the McMahon family is center stage of a story line that has been done to death.
It's kind of ironic to see them scramble seeing as how WWE has the most decorated and technically proficient talent today. It definetely isn't a roster problem. Guerilla Games couldn't fix this shit.
1. Awful booking
2. Injuries to multiple wrestlers
3. A lack of a likable and "over" guy to spearhead the company
Shane will be back, and we'll once again have a program where the McMahon family is center stage of a story line that has been done to death.
It's kind of ironic to see them scramble seeing as how WWE has the most decorated and technically proficient talent today. It definetely isn't a roster problem. Guerilla Games couldn't fix this shit.
Honestly the one thing Shane has going for him is that he doesn't have that TV deal mess on his hands.
I know Steph was protected but there is no way that the current TV deal didn't have her working hand in hand with NBC.
Amory
Member
man wrestling used to be so good.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You don't remember that entire angle where Rollins kept saying he didn't NEED Triple H?