windowlurker
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its not like you can tell if the soldiers are male or female in their military uniforms/"armor" anyway
Female soldiers will not be playable in Battlefield 4's multiplayer or singleplayer
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ExigentContact
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The Halo and Gears of War communities took just fine to having playable females in multiplayer. This is just laziness, plain and simple.
Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't see the value in it since female characters "aren't marketable", too.
To me games are fake just fantasy not reality. To many overly sensitive people everywhere on every subject. Everyone is to worried to offend a particular person or group. You can't please everybody, Why try?
I am so happy woman can be actual soldiers & fight. If they want to who are you to tell them they can't.
I respect them & believe some woman can be braver than a lot of men.
I am so happy woman can be actual soldiers & fight. If they want to who are you to tell them they can't.
I respect them & believe some woman can be braver than a lot of men.
pock3tmonster
Banned
Wait. Making a comment on a game developer's comment requires me to be a game developer? Tell me how their response to not including female soldiers is not a non-answer and dismissive of the question?
StreetsAhead
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50% of the world's population being excluded is people being overly sensitive.
As noted this comes off as a self fulfilling prophecy; it's a guy's hobby so don't bother putting them in, even though that also means it can't ever be more than a guy's hobby, nevermind the men who just prefer to play a female character for whatever reason (which admittedly cuts both ways). Though playing RPGs and more non-AAA games in general it actually IS jarring to hear of cases like this where they don't even allow it as a multiplayer option, even if in games like this I don't notice until the absence is called to attention.
Well, I suspect part of the problem here is that those worrying about how much it brings in are weighing how many they COULD lose versus how many they COULD gain, and even at 3 percent loss versus 1 percent gain (if it's even THAT high) they consider it unacceptable, despite the fact that also means 97%+ of the players do not give enough of a shit about women being in the game.
windowlurker
Banned
"i've always viewed them as computers or bots though
and if on mp, if the human talked through my microphone and sounds like a female, they're a female tho"
and if on mp, if the human talked through my microphone and sounds like a female, they're a female tho"
Grand Funk Carwash
Banned
Does anyone relate to the characters in a dudebro shooter?
Gemüsepizza
Member
I was talking about the world's best teams, not teams who compete for fun/at schools/college (if that's what you meant?). And unfortunately most women can't compete with the world best's football players or special force members. So it makes sense imo to not implement such a feature, when they make a more or less realistic game.
ExigentContact
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I've never seen one player get so angry that a game would allow them to play as a female in multiplayer, and I've played a lot of shooters with a lot of blithering idiots constituting their main player base. At most I've heard a lot of misogynistic bullshit and ritualistic teabagging, not outright leaving. Most level-minded players don't care either way.
I think it simply boils down to the fact that they don't want to put the extra effort in for a smaller portion of the fanbase. The dudebro gamer doesn't care about women, so why should we bother with catering the outliers of our fanbase?
No appeal to the audience, no need to add in. Simple as that. I just really hope this bullshit changes by the time we hit 2016.
SolidSnakex
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Gemüsepizza;51647553 said:
She's from the BF4 trailer. They're ok with your fighting alongside a female soldier, but you just can't play as them.
Read my prior post. Or can't you read, are you explicitly illiterate?
I said games that include female characters usually cut the in game violence contained in the game play engine to 0 where the male characters violence levels are 100 within the same game, understand?
Now contribute to the discussion.
Gemüsepizza
Member
She's from the BF4 trailer. They're ok with your fighting alongside a female soldier, but you just can't play as them.
Why bother even including that then? Or why show that picture of a female a few days ago if It wasn't going to be playable.
Watch it be DLC or something.
There would be threads about how BF4 is training people to kill women or then the oppposite of how BF4 is sexist. They are destined for backlash whether they do or dont include female soldiers. They cannot win.
There will always be a sector unhappy with either choice.
At the end of the day its just an avatar for multiplayer so who knows how people would react, it really should have female soldiers in the multiplayer in my opinion. You could play as female characters in ME3 multiplayer right?
There will always be a sector unhappy with either choice.
At the end of the day its just an avatar for multiplayer so who knows how people would react, it really should have female soldiers in the multiplayer in my opinion. You could play as female characters in ME3 multiplayer right?
SolidSnakex
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Gemüsepizza;51647931 said:
Would it be more or less realistic than being shot with a machine gun, then hiding behind cover until the red tint fades from around my vision?
Yup.
this
She's from the BF4 trailer. They're ok with your fighting alongside a female soldier, but you just can't play as them.
It's funny, 'cause in the trailer she says something like "you've got my back, right?"
cutmeamango
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I want to shoot her in the face and cut that ponytail off as a trophy.
Sure dorito eating mountain dew swiggin "dudebros". You know the typical mainstream swaggy, saggy skinny jean, davey crockett hat wearing, douchebag dude.... Bro!
You know the typical young bummy$, chris bitch breezy, waka flaka lamez, wiz " on him" khalifa fans.
Sample size too small. 45 in Socom 4 was (I don't actually remember), but she was usually assigned the stealth missions. Binary Domain had a female sniper and another that was heavy demo (rpgs and c4) in cutscenes and cqc (shotty) in game.
I don't have Halo Reach. What was the female spartan?
Kind of surprised they didn't finish an explanation. Wonder if they thought leaving it open-ended would allow everyone to come to a conclusion that they were inclined to believe.
I'd like to get her back.
You REALLY believe that'd happen, versus the angle of allowing women to play as an in-game avatar that's their gender? Nevermind that they never brought this up for other shooters when female characters were in it. Or to use your avatar as an example, how "a woman gets attacked by zombies" didn't really bother anyone so much as that it was just a violent zombie game period.
ExigentContact
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Battlefield is hardly realistic.Gemüsepizza;51647931 said:
ExigentContact
Member
Kat was more of an information specialist and hacker. She acted as your handler, in a manner of speaking, during some of the bigger missions, and fought with you in others.
And you could play as female Spartans in multiplayer who shared their biped with the female Noble Six and Kat.
no, your presumption of the flimsiness of their statement is what makes you a backseat dev, the statement was made that they were making a game they wanted to put a lot of things in, the fact that female character models and animation rigging and balancing for the likely smaller models didn't make the cut isn't being dismissive of the question, it's stating a reality. By suggesting that responding, at this time when we just now got our very first glimpse of the game, in the manner that they have is dismissive is in and of itself dismissive because it suggests that the response cannot or should not be taken at face value, that the amount of work required to generate this content is somehow negligible and that you know better than anyone what needs to happen.
The narrative of criticism here doesn't seem to be "i want them to prioritize female characters more and would like to find a way to get them to do so" it seems instead to be "They should just have female characters, since it clearly doesn't actually take effort they must have ulterior motives"
When he says there are a million things he'd like to do he is in fact saying there is a very really limit on the amount of work they can pour into the game and they have to prioritize and sadly playable female characters are not a priority. That answers the question, it doesn't dismiss it, even if it's an answer that we might not want to hear. I don't know what you expected him to say, unless you expected him to walk through the list of things that made it into the game before female characters, in which case you are being unreasonable.
The explanation was pretty clear imo. They had other priorities / felt including them wasn't worth the time/rescources it takes.
shinobi602
Member
Seems like a non-issue really...
SolidSnakex
Member
There was a female chopper pilot in Modern Warfare. And there have been female characters in Black Ops zombie mode. But none in the competitive multiplayer at this point.
BobbyRobby
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maybe, judging by a first page google search
http://jiv.sagepub.com/content/27/15/3016.abstract
gonna increase the rape myth acceptance, bro.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/3/hagelin-video-game-violence-against-women/?page=all
http://mediareporttowomen.com/issues/311.htm
and in all the games scrutinized, men are abused equally, if not worse. there is a large segment of people who want to protect fictional women.
pock3tmonster
Banned
No. If the developer had said as much in regards to not implementing female playable soldiers in multi-player, that balancing issues were the reason behind that decision I'd have accepted it as a valid response. I'm pointing out the fact that their response was not based on such reasoning, but instead because there were a million things they wanted to do, but couldn't do them all. That doesn't sound like a legitimate reason for not including female playable soldiers, let alone a closed response that doesn't allow for misinterpretation as seems to be the case here. That is why it is dismissive, because it's not really an answer. I'm not trying to be a developer, nor am I questioning the amount of work that is involved in implementing such a "feature".
shinobi602
Member
Because even though the characters will probably be forgettable, she's one of the main characters, just like the black dude.
StreetsAhead
Member
Oh, please.
80% health or whatever seems like a balanced health penalty.
It tells you there are limited time and rescources and female soldiers didn't make the cut. In depth explanation of the process on which (new) features are included an which are not almost never happens.
Always-honest
Banned
Well, it's up to that dad who hacked donkey kong again to make sure his 6 year old girl can play Battlefield 4.
So they thought about it but decided not to for no real valid reason?
So they thought about it but decided not to for no real valid reason?
It'd be something like 60% or 70%, but even this will get get them called out as being sexist (making women weaker) by non-gamers. The only solution seems to be: slap long hair onto an existing model and record some lines spoken by a female VA.