Cindi Mayweather
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I'm focusing on trying to predict players, take advantage of them psychologically (have them bait their ultra or burn their meter), as well as how to punish and anti air.
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I'm focusing on trying to predict players, take advantage of them psychologically (have them bait their ultra or burn their meter), as well as how to punish and anti air.
Juicebox_FGC
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I didn't ban you, Katy_Perry (mod) probably did it for some reason. I don't have a clue what you said. If you post your question I'll try to answer it. Also tell me your twitch name and I'll unban you.
PS4. Not that it matters, there's cross-play!
pm'd you
CommandThrower
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Oh really? That's really promising, then.
I was originally of the opinion that Pokken's competitive life would be dead on arrival because of the way local multiplayer works. One person on the gamepad and one person on the TV? Yeah, no. There's a reason why Splatoon's local multiplayer sucks.
Now that there's local LAN for Pokken, I think it has a much more promising competitive lifespan. I haven't played it, but I think it looks very solid.
I'm going to make a very stupid guess and say that I think the Smash players will have to get into the game, because they're the ones with all the Wii Us in the FGC. They'll probably be the ones who make or break the game's competitive lifespan. How many individuals have multiple portable setups? And multiple Wii Us? I think the Smash players will be key for the game's competitive success, regardless if the game is good or not.
That's actually a rather fair assessment. I just need to get the game, an ethernet adapter, & the wired controller to have a complete Pokkén set-up. Though judging by the footage I was able to pull up, quite a few Smash players are looking to get into the game, so hopefully that helps the prospect of competitive Pokkén.
I think there's a big difference between being able to do something dumb being punished for it and being given a disadvantage from doing it, but obviously this is getting very much in to semantics.
I look at it like this, lets say I really liked ST or 3s or something. If I did a wake up uppercut in those games and it was blocked, I could be punished. I have no way of limiting whether or not I can get punished for it. Going from that sort of game to SF4 up to and including AE2012 I could do that and ensure my safety in exchange of two bars. While this safety definitely exists with a limiting factor, it still exists while in a previous situation which was equally comparable before never had that safety at all. Now you get to Ultra where it still exists but is more costly, so it's slightly less available but it still exists. Etc etc.
Obviously you know everything I'm saying, but the idea that it's smart to do it because you can is a mentality that exists only within the scope of what you can do in 4. If you're looking at it from a certain perspective (the aforementioned ST or 3s player mindset) that's a move that on paper is idiotic but has an escape. So that's where that statement comes from.
Going on to what you say after, though, I definitely agree with you that people have a strange way of diminishing the success within the game. Sure, someone COULD end up achieving great success through very 4 exclusive things like multi faceted OSes, unblockable set ups and so on but that only gets you so far and not everyone needs to do that. On a personal level I don't use any OSes, I don't even crouch tech. I don't win every time and I don't go insanely far in huge tournaments, but I pretty much never get blown out of water and can hold my own. As a bigger example, Arturo also doesn't OS much and he's extremely successful.
Frankly I think the people who diminish the game to being just scrub friendly OS based and conducive to scrubby behaviour are the people who don't want to spend the time getting better. Personally I'm getting tired of how people can succeed and limit my options through their OSes and so on but I accept that it's part of the game and also my own fault for not learning how to do the same.
Different games, etc, ... GG have burst, alpha counters, inv-backdashes, just defense(lower block stun), faultless defense(push back, no chip damage, air block), Blitz and instant grabs + grab inv on wake-up to help you out while on the defensive, yet still, the thing you're more likely to hear people complain about in GG is how overwhelming offense is in the game.
Huw_Dawson
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The fact that SF5 mechanically encourages DP baiting and makes it inherently a massive risk is casts a pretty damning shadow on the way it was handled in SF4.
The game in SF4 so often comes down to safety strats - the high level game does feature riskier players and characters but it goes to show when characters like Rufus (who in most SF games would be insanely good) are sidelined vs safer RTSD characters like Akuma and Yun - who do the same job with shorter normals but far more safely.
It's why I am looking forward to SF5 - it's a big palette clenser from SF4, which is by no means a bad game, but I'd really rather suck at a new game at this point that forces people to change their stuff up.
The game in SF4 so often comes down to safety strats - the high level game does feature riskier players and characters but it goes to show when characters like Rufus (who in most SF games would be insanely good) are sidelined vs safer RTSD characters like Akuma and Yun - who do the same job with shorter normals but far more safely.
It's why I am looking forward to SF5 - it's a big palette clenser from SF4, which is by no means a bad game, but I'd really rather suck at a new game at this point that forces people to change their stuff up.
New patch is out for PC version of Guilty Gear Xrd, fixes that controller bug and some other stuff.
To be fair once SFV has been around for a long time people will also just settle on some optimal type of play that people will then call boring.
To be fair once SFV has been around for a long time people will also just settle on some optimal type of play that people will then call boring.
Identify your execution issues and set your own routine, don't use trial
You're in the "I have good buttons so I'm gonna press them all the time" phase iirc from your last video, which is better than where you were before
Huw_Dawson
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New patch is out for PC version of Guilty Gear Xrd, fixes that controller bug and some other stuff.
To be fair once SFV has been around for a long time people will also just settle on some optimal type of play that people will then call boring.
Very true, but it won't be based around this cat-and-mouse of safe pressure vs safe wakeup.
CountBlack
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Karsticles
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GG has DPs, but it isn't as annoying because Zato doesn't care.
I don't think SFIV is some scrub game, and I think it's silly to claim such. It's like calling Marvel random, or Poker a game of chance. Just claims from salty folks that aren't winning.
That said, I am not a huge fan of SFIV just because I don't think it is fun. There are a lot of reasons I don't find the game to be fun, from the focus on oki, to the numerous anti-fireball tools every character has that makes my kind of favored gameplay infeasible, to FADC out of pressure being anticlimatic for intense footsie situations. Maybe if I would have discovered the Bison Alternative in SFIV, I would have had more fun with it, but after spending so many hours grinding out Oni and Guile in a game I didn't like, I was content with just going to Blanka for the lolz.
I don't think SFIV is some scrub game, and I think it's silly to claim such. It's like calling Marvel random, or Poker a game of chance. Just claims from salty folks that aren't winning.
That said, I am not a huge fan of SFIV just because I don't think it is fun. There are a lot of reasons I don't find the game to be fun, from the focus on oki, to the numerous anti-fireball tools every character has that makes my kind of favored gameplay infeasible, to FADC out of pressure being anticlimatic for intense footsie situations. Maybe if I would have discovered the Bison Alternative in SFIV, I would have had more fun with it, but after spending so many hours grinding out Oni and Guile in a game I didn't like, I was content with just going to Blanka for the lolz.
Holy Order Sol
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"waah waah b-b-b-but I paid with meter/positioning" like that's supposed to be enough
notworksafe
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Moaning about throw spamming? Is this the scrub thread?
Yeah, I really dislike when people say this. I don't care about paying with meter or positioning. You should pay with your health meter. Anything else is less than it should be.
And Vulva pretty much nailed why I don't like SF4. It's not fun. And no, people that are good at SF4 won't suck at SF5, as long as they learn the game the same way they did SF4.
Fuck SF4. Good riddance.
ViewtifulJC
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"fighting games have evolved into allowing DPs to be safe on wake-up"
notworksafe
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And yet fighting game forum posters haven't evolved at all.
I don't think I heard anyone say that SF4 is overall a scubby game. On the contrary most people talk about the barrier of entry with stuff like 1 frame links.
My thing with SF4 is that I just either didn't find it that fun or just found mechanics more annoying than not.
People who put in the time/effort in SFV will be good at SFV. That's all there is to it. Some people will start off better than others but in the end it will come down to who has been doing the most work and is the smartest about their approach to the game.
My thing with SF4 is that I just either didn't find it that fun or just found mechanics more annoying than not.
People who put in the time/effort in SFV will be good at SFV. That's all there is to it. Some people will start off better than others but in the end it will come down to who has been doing the most work and is the smartest about their approach to the game.
How do you do it in DoA? Just 33P or 8K with Mila?
Thomasorus
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In Guilty Gear AC you had 3 extra guards/defense systems (instant block, fautless, parry) but all of them require you to guard in the first place. So when someone wakes up in GG you only have to worry about invincible DP, backdash or guard (and once you saw chich one, you adapt). And if you time badly or position yourself too close, about spammed lights and throws but you can work around them as many moves have long active frames eating lights or are invincible to throws.
In SF4 on wakeup you can DP (and cancel the DP), focus (and red focus), focus backdash, backdash, guard (while OS things like lights and tech throw). So the only thing you can do to cover so much options is to option select with your own character when attacking and the last time I check there isn't so many OS in Guilty Gear, even if Xrd intoduced some.
In VF and DoA ALL attacks will ALWAYS beat a throw, if you're in the animation of an attack, the throw will lose out (unless it's a catch throw/offensive hold).
I'm not familiar with Mila's movelist, but if you have a read on a throw do the launching knee move she has, or any other launcher and you'll get a high counter hit.
ShinMaruku
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That wasn't a throw.
She went into Koko's stance after the pp2k.
ShinMaruku
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Leads into her throw afer the parry to open up your back like a over ripe melon. p+K in that exchange is a tsubaki.That wasn't a throw.
There was no parry. She did pp2k, p+k. She doesn't have a throw from that move. She's got 5p, 2p, and p+k. No tsubaki (7p), no throw attempt or it would have been high counter.
You might be confusing it with 1p into her throw, but there wasn't an attempt there.
ShinMaruku
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Indeed, I'd have to ask Yoyo about that one. But That power blow is a good throw punish because it's crouching so things whiff. Bboy landed that on Kwiggle which was most amusing.
Tornix
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Finally I can play on PC without that annoying frame rate issue! Guess I'll try it out this weekend.
Phantasmal Repose
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I never knew that all of the BB games had their music composed by Daisuke. It sounds so different from his GG stuff that I thought it was by someone else. What a talented dude.
Really glad that they finally fixed the memory leak issue. That was pretty bad.
Really glad that they finally fixed the memory leak issue. That was pretty bad.
CountBlack
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Huw_Dawson
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It occured to me that IIRC n.Ken's lp dp in ST is actually invincible and safe on block, speaking about safe wakeup. Any OG might correct me though.
One important thing for everyone to remember whilst playing casuals is this - it doesn't matter if you win or lose. What matters is that you are getting useful practice in. All my practice before DHW13 and other tournaments was moot because it wasn't truly useful practice - and really so much is about the mental game that even the exact game you play doesn't really matter. If someone's spamming throws online? Fine. Carry on playing and figure out your mental game. Get chucked as many times as you need to get a natural and effective anti-throw strategy down. Latency, stupid matchups etc doesn't stop your greatest asset working, which is your brain.
I've learned these lessons after a very long time and I hope this perspective helps someone.
One important thing for everyone to remember whilst playing casuals is this - it doesn't matter if you win or lose. What matters is that you are getting useful practice in. All my practice before DHW13 and other tournaments was moot because it wasn't truly useful practice - and really so much is about the mental game that even the exact game you play doesn't really matter. If someone's spamming throws online? Fine. Carry on playing and figure out your mental game. Get chucked as many times as you need to get a natural and effective anti-throw strategy down. Latency, stupid matchups etc doesn't stop your greatest asset working, which is your brain.
I've learned these lessons after a very long time and I hope this perspective helps someone.
Kuksune
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I'm streaming some Doa5lr right now, i won't be voice chatting saddly cuz i have a cold and my voice is almost completely gone.
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Shouta
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Yo damn, NWM be esports now. KIT too!
http://espn.go.com/esports/story/_/...events-league-legends-dota-2-hearthstone-more
http://espn.go.com/esports/story/_/...events-league-legends-dota-2-hearthstone-more
FF too. What about bigger stuff like CEO?
The FGC League!
Shouta
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It seems like they're only covering until Evo with that specific calendar.
ShinMaruku
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I love how they call it FGC. Call it street fighter and be done with it. If not for SF they'd not bat an eye.
Lostconfused
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"International esports events calendar"
wow
wow
Karsticles
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The FGH calendar just got a lot easier to maintain.
Do you not see Genesis 3 up there?
irfaanator
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how is Final Round multi but KiT and NWM FGC?
CountBlack
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maybe they got madden running
tidbit from a Tokido interview:
Rest of the article translated in a reddit post
Who was the weaker player around that time? Justin? Choco? I can't remember who was sponsored around that time before MCZ got the big 3.
once SF V drops they'll start dropping the pretense
DryEyeRelief
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To be fair once SFV has been around for a long time people will also just settle on some optimal type of play that people will then call boring.
Definitely.
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