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Fighting Games Weekly | April 22-28 | Game of Throws - A Song of Salt and Fire(balls)

CurlyW

Member
This is a good explanatory post but there are some things that need to still be clarified.

1. Why is there a necessity for a 3-day tournament in the first place? You are saying you have to stream a lot of stuff in a limited amount of time but the number of entrants in the tournament suggest that this could more easily be a 2-day tourney to accommodate everyone.

2. Why did you expect people to register for a tournament before knowing the actual schedule? Or is that common? A person might have a wedding or family vacation scheduled or maybe has school and finals or other things to worry about in the future. If I was attending a tournament, I would want to know exactly what day and what time my game is running before I pay up. Or otherwise, I may already have stuff scheduled and may not be able to make it.

Or maybe like most other people, I'm just waiting to register until the end.

3. How much skill does divekick require? I'm ignorant on the matter and would really like to know. Is it like a mini-game -game sort of like Tekken ball which anyone can just pick up and play because if so, there's your answer to why it has more entrants. And I can see why people would be upset that something like that was getting finals streamed over a high-end fighting game. No disrespect intended to divekick fanbase.

4. Tekken Zaibatsu is hardly active like it used to be. World Tekken Federation forums had picked up some steam for a while but even they're sort of dead now. That's not to say you can't post stuff there but don't expect a lot of responses. A better way to publicize your tournament (I would think) would be to send tweets to Harada and Murray and further request them to put the tournament information on the Tekken facebook page. If you succeed which you probably should, you'll more easily reach the over 3 million people that are following the Tekken facebook page.

Plus, even the professional Tekken players have facebook groups and stuff. Reach out to them.

1. I would presume that NCR was a 3-day tournament last year, and thus for this year, they booked their venue for the same amount of time. I don't the details for NCR, but we booked our venue for UFGT9 back before the new year. In addition, I'm pretty sure it was always advertised as a 3-day tournament. That having been said, I disagree with NCR's decision to start play before noon on Friday. I feel that is excessive, and they might've been able to push play for all games back to start at 3pm or later, maybe. Though if NCR is using the same venue as last year, I believe they may be severely limited on space and thus may not have the room for setups devoted to every game. UFGT is fortunate enough to have a new larger venue this year, so we should be good.

2. I believe that is actually fairly common to not know the exact schedule until a few weeks before the tournament. At UFGT, we state that pools for all games can be run on both Friday and Saturday, so you should try and take Friday off if you want to come. If you have, say, an exam that Friday and cannot miss it, then we will say that unless you want to risk ending up in a pool you can't make, you probably shouldn't enter. (But feel free to come on Saturday for casuals.)

As for waiting to register until the end, that's fine. However, we want you to try and register earlier, since it makes it easier for us to plan the tournament, by, say, making the schedule. That's why with UFGT, Evo, and a bunch of other tournaments, as it gets to the event, we raise the venue fee. UFGT's venue fee was $30 before March 10, $35 until May 5, $45 until May 19 when online registration closes, and $60 at the door (which we don't want you to do). Evo does the same thing, as the price of a competitors pass went up a few weeks ago. Obviously we're not on Evo's scale, but we still want things to run as smoothly as possible, and encouraging people to register earlier helps.

Also, if Tekken players are waiting until the last minute to register, so are SF4 players, Marvel players, KoF players, MK players, Persona players, etc. We try to make an estimate on how many people will register in total based on how the numbers currently stand. So if at the end of March, we have 25 registrations for Tekken and 75 for Marvel, we're guessing that Marvel will have ~3x the number of entrants that Tekken has at the end. This is necessary when determining how many setups we will need to obtain and how many pools we will need to run.

3. Divekick requires less skill to play, certainly, but it is far from being luck-based. And experienced fighting game players do seem to do slightly better at the game. I will add that because Iron Galaxy will actually be there in person may be a big part of the reason that Divekick has a better stream time than Tekken. However, if a game's complexity were directly related to how much stream time it got, we'd be watching nothing but Virtua Fighter on Sunday. (Which honestly, I'm all for.)

4. I was unaware as to the current state of TZ. Most of my connection to the Tekken community is through the guys that play it in Chicago. I will definitely look into getting the info for UFGT on the Tekken Facebook page as you suggest.

EDIT: I forgot one thing on the topic of reaching out to communities. I could be wrong but I don't believe NCR did much in the way of promoting itself to non-Capcom communities, especially when compared to other TOs like SweetJohnnyCage, who posts about ECT on every forum I've seen. Even for Capcom communities, there wasn't an NCR post on SRK until April 3rd. It's possible that the NCR TOs may have been overconfident in their ability to draw for non-Capcom games. I'd also say that some of that may have to do with NorCal as an entire region. It does feel like that's the one place in the country that isn't playing Injustice, irrespective of its absence from NCR.

Thanks for all the questions. I am happy to address them.
 

Sayah

Member
If you have 22 entrants, what's the point of streaming at all? Just run it as a small, off-camera tournament. (That's not on Friday.)

Fridays are absolutely miserable for most people due to the logistical difficulties associated with travel. (There's an MTG tournament series that keeps getting bad #s for its large events partially because they're 3-day tournaments.)

It's not just Tekken with lower entries, though. It's also Mortal Kombat, Persona, and DoA5. Why stream those games either? Why not just make the whole 3-days marvel and SF only then?
 

QisTopTier

XisBannedTier
Speaking of bans... everyone should tread lightly in gaming side. It's going to be a scary place outside of off topic, community and specialist threads like this one. I'm scared of Nintendo threads now.

I have a pretty good idea of what to say and what not to say. Treat forum conversations like a real conversation here. Don't over extend on sarcasm either.
 

CurlyW

Member
Being able to take time off work or school to make a three-day tournament is not an issue that only affects Tekken or MK players. There are plenty of Capcom players I'm sure that couldn't make it to NCR because they were busy on Friday.

I agree that if there are only 22 people for the event, it should be possible to move it to Saturday and not stream it. But then, it'll just be a 22-person event that's on Saturday with no stream than a 22-person event that's on Friday with a stream on Saturday.
 

Anth0ny

Member
I only got banned once and it was for giving good advice.

Gaming side is a minefield.

Even though my ban was from the OT. I still want to know who banned me exactly.

I got two on gaming side

my first was telling someone to "grow a pair" for not liking a violent trailer or something. that was my bad. personal insults are a no go on gaf.

second was a troll about bayo 2 that the mods took seriously. i must have finished 5 games during that month long ban lol
 

Jaxel

Member
Okay, so I've made SIGNIFICANT changes to my drag&drop multiviewer based on requests from many of you guys!

Firstly, he is a link to view this weekend's NorCal Regionals!
http://8wayrun.com/streams/multi?ty...3=1.iplaywinner.video&pos4=1.iplaywinner.chat

In order for you to see the changes I made, you may need to do a hard refresh of your page cache, which can be done with a simple CTRL+SHIFT+REFRESH (at least thats how it works in Chrome).

- Fixed issues that made it hard to move/resize objects when moving over the twitch chatroom.
- Moved the "drag handle" to the TOP of each block, you'll see a "crosshair" when you go over it.
- A "helper grid" will now show up when you resize a block; then the block will resize smoothly.
- Blocks will now go semi-transparent when you are moving them, so you can see what you are moving them over.
- Blocks will now "snap" to each other when they are moved within 10 pixels of each other.
- Blocks are now on a "stack" and when you move a block, it will be put on the front of the stack and appear above all other blocks.

You will now see TWO "plus (+)" symbols on the page. The big one will bring up a menu where you can define a channel to add as a block. The small one however will bring up a list of the top 10 most popular streams so you can very easily add popular channels without having to type anything in!
 

The Light

Member
I have a pretty good idea of what to say and what not to say. Treat forum conversations like a real conversation here. Don't over extend on sarcasm either.

Yea but you know how easy it is for someone to misinterpret what you're saying because of text. Thats the reason why I avoid serious topics.
 
Hmm. It's rather embarrassing to say this, but now that I'm actually trying to learn Phoenix Wright combos beyond the basic...

This guy's combo timing is rather difficult. God damn.
 

Sayah

Member
1. I would presume that NCR was a 3-day tournament last year, and thus for this year, they booked their venue for the same amount of time. I don't the details for NCR, but we booked our venue for UFGT9 back before the new year. In addition, I'm pretty sure it was always advertised as a 3-day tournament. That having been said, I disagree with NCR's decision to start play before noon on Friday. I feel that is excessive, and they might've been able to push play for all games back to start at 3pm or later, maybe. Though if NCR is using the same venue as last year, I believe they may be severely limited on space and thus may not have the room for setups devoted to every game. UFGT is fortunate enough to have a new larger venue this year, so we should be good.

2. I believe that is actually fairly common to not know the exact schedule until a few weeks before the tournament. At UFGT, we state that pools for all games can be run on both Friday and Saturday, so you should try and take Friday off if you want to come. If you have, say, an exam that Friday and cannot miss it, then we will say that unless you want to risk ending up in a pool you can't make, you probably shouldn't enter. (But feel free to come on Saturday for casuals.)

As for waiting to register until the end, that's fine. However, we want you to try and register earlier, since it makes it easier for us to plan the tournament, by, say, making the schedule. That's why with UFGT, Evo, and a bunch of other tournaments, as it gets to the event, we raise the venue fee. UFGT's venue fee was $30 before March 10, $35 until May 5, $45 until May 19 when online registration closes, and $60 at the door (which we don't want you to do). Evo does the same thing, as the price of a competitors pass went up a few weeks ago. Obviously we're not on Evo's scale, but we still want things to run as smoothly as possible, and encouraging people to register earlier helps.

Also, if Tekken players are waiting until the last minute to register, so are SF4 players, Marvel players, KoF players, MK players, Persona players, etc. We try to make an estimate on how many people will register in total based on how the numbers currently stand. So if at the end of March, we have 25 registrations for Tekken and 75 for Marvel, we're guessing that Marvel will have ~3x the number of entrants that Tekken has at the end. This is necessary when determining how many setups we will need to obtain and how many pools we will need to run.

3. Divekick requires less skill to play, certainly, but it is far from being luck-based. And experienced fighting game players do seem to do slightly better at the game. I will add that because Iron Galaxy will actually be there in person may be a big part of the reason that Divekick has a better stream time than Tekken. However, if a game's complexity were directly related to how much stream time it got, we'd be watching nothing but Virtua Fighter on Sunday. (Which honestly, I'm all for.)

4. I was unaware as to the current state of TZ. Most of my connection to the Tekken community is through the guys that play it in Chicago. I will definitely look into getting the info for UFGT on the Tekken Facebook page as you suggest.

Thanks for all the questions. I am happy to address them.

Nice. Thanks for your responses.

Also, I wasn't really saying that the game that requires the most skill should also be the most streamed game. But divekick gameplay in comparison to other fighters just seems like it doesn't require much skill and is way far off (like not even close to other fighters). So I could understand people being upset over divekick taking precedence over Tekken or KoF.

At the end of the day, I'm not really impacted by this in anyway but thought these concerns may have been important to address.
 
I know because I just helped make the preliminary schedule for UFGT and it took hours.

Is UFGT doing the random game tournament again? If so, I suggest if somebody gets something wrong, control should pass to the next player with the least amount of points.
 

kirblar

Member
It's not just Tekken with lower entries, though. It's also Mortal Kombat, Persona, and DoA5. Why stream those games either? Why not just make the whole 3-days marvel and SF only then?
I'm not trying to dump on Tekken. It's just that if a game's got turnout that low, warping its scheduling around stream scheduling concerns seems less than optimal.

Given the heavier turnout numbers for Marvel and SF, splitting their pools across Friday and Saturday would have seemed a better option.
 

CurlyW

Member
Is UFGT doing the random game tournament again? If so, I suggest if somebody gets something wrong, control should pass to the next player with the least amount of points.

Oh, you mean the Jeopardy pre-tournament show? Keits hasn't yet told me what he has planned for that, so I don't know what's happening this year, haha.
 

kirblar

Member
Oh, you mean the Jeopardy pre-tournament show? Keits hasn't yet told me what he has planned for that, so I don't know what's happening this year, haha.
Divekick character auction!
Divekick cosplay contest!
Live action Divekick MoCap!
Divekick! Divekick Divekick Divekick!!!!!!

:p
 

CurlyW

Member
Divekick character auction!
Divekick cosplay contest!
Live action Divekick MoCap!
Divekick! Divekick Divekick Divekick!!!!!!

:p

There are two character auctions planned. One is Marvel 3. The other is Marvel 2.

Divekick top 16 is the only time the game is currently scheduled for stream. Though it will be used as a "downtime filler" on the B stream. (In the same way that Mystery Game fills the downtime on the main stream.)
 

Zissou

Member
I have not been banned, and I never will be- been here since 2007 (Though I didn't used to post AT ALL. Also I became a member after like 3 posts because some amount of time had elapsed... I guess they've changed that?)
 
Okay, so I've made SIGNIFICANT changes to my drag&drop multiviewer based on requests from many of you guys!

Firstly, he is a link to view this weekend's NorCal Regionals!
http://8wayrun.com/streams/multi?ty...3=1.iplaywinner.video&pos4=1.iplaywinner.chat

In order for you to see the changes I made, you may need to do a hard refresh of your page cache, which can be done with a simple CTRL+SHIFT+REFRESH (at least thats how it works in Chrome).

- Fixed issues that made it hard to move/resize objects when moving over the twitch chatroom.
- Moved the "drag handle" to the TOP of each block, you'll see a "crosshair" when you go over it.
- A "helper grid" will now show up when you resize a block; then the block will resize smoothly.
- Blocks will now go semi-transparent when you are moving them, so you can see what you are moving them over.
- Blocks will now "snap" to each other when they are moved within 10 pixels of each other.
- Blocks are now on a "stack" and when you move a block, it will be put on the front of the stack and appear above all other blocks.

You will now see TWO "plus (+)" symbols on the page. The big one will bring up a menu where you can define a channel to add as a block. The small one however will bring up a list of the top 10 most popular streams so you can very easily add popular channels without having to type anything in!

Thanks Jaxel! Some feedback:

I still have some difficulty resizing a block if there is a chat block behind it.

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In that screenshot, if I try to enlarge the video block it does not work very well, like the chat block is stealing mouse events or something (but shrinking the block works fine).

Clicking inside a video block leaves the multiview page and goes to that stream's twitch page, and it's easy to click that by accident.
 

kirblar

Member
There are two character auctions planned. One is Marvel 3. The other is Marvel 2.

Divekick top 16 is the only time the game is currently scheduled for stream. Though it will be used as a "downtime filler" on the B stream. (In the same way that Mystery Game fills the downtime on the main stream.)
Is the latter public information yet? :) Keits was teasing "Not SF4" on twitter.

(And I wasn't being serious with the Divekick overload stuff, it was a joke! Hence the emoticon!)

edit: Justin Wong offers to put Chris G's life in mortal peril.
 
I actually don't understand how people think the Gaming side is more dangerous. Unless you're a rabid fan or forget a scan rule, it's hard to get banned over there. Now OT...that place has so much stupid crap going on I have to close my window just so I won't hit "Reply".

So I heard ZTS got banned
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I just wanted an excuse to post this wonderful gif

Speaking of bans... everyone should tread lightly in gaming side. It's going to be a scary place outside of off topic, community and specialist threads like this one. I'm scared of Nintendo threads now.
What's scary about Nintendo threads? All I ever talk about in them is how people should chill out with the Nintendoomed stuff, and I do my best to defend my man Iwata.
 

Chindogg

Member
I actually don't understand how people think the Gaming side is more dangerous. Unless you're a rabid fan or forget a scan rule, it's hard to get banned over there. Now OT...that place has so much stupid crap going on I have to close my window just so I won't hit "Reply".


mmmmz4zpv.gif

I just wanted an excuse to post this wonderful gif


What's scary about Nintendo threads? All I ever talk about in them is how people should chill out with the Nintendoomed stuff, and I do my best to defend my man Iwata.

Yeah then you have asshats like Brera/Dave Meltzer (its the same guy) trolling up the threads making them more toxic than the average crack session at The Ark.

I may disagree with what is said in here at times, but for the most part GAF FGC tends to be a bit more level headed then the console warz posters in the other threads.
 

alstein

Member
Yeah then you have asshats like Brera/Dave Meltzer (its the same guy) trolling up the threads making them more toxic than the average crack session at The Ark.

I may disagree with what is said in here at times, but for the most part GAF FGC tends to be a bit more level headed then the console warz posters in the other threads.

Same Dave Meltzer that's the wrestling dude?
 
THE POWER OF NINTENDO COMPELS YOU!

Really though, this summarizes my feelings on Iwata:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=55332776&postcount=1503
This is the part where I howl in pain and retreat into one of these. Not even Nintendo's holy water can penetrate the chassis of this rig when it's equipped with SLI'd Titans.
Wait so if ZTS is gone how will we know that Tekken is the best fighting game ever guys
When a Tekken player becomes president in the year 2016. Only they have the innate leadership skills and talent to pull it off.
 
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