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Fighting Games Weekly | Aug 3-10 | Rising to the Occasion
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DryEyeRelief
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what are the poverty mobas?
Mobas grew at a faster rate than fighters despite being a younger genre.
And how do you get a country notorious for piracy into your game when there's a barrier of entry in the fact that you have to pay for it? There would need to be a F2P version like DOA5/KI. I expect them to release a version like this eventually but I'm sure that'll be long after they've collected as much as they can with the retail version.
Aeon of strife the true OG.
Lostconfused
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HON, Demigod were the two I was thinking of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplayer_online_battle_arena Hmm I'd expected a bit more organization from the wiki article.
There is less variety in the genre when you look at the version that are popular. It's just a very good formula that was easily accessible to a large audience.
QisTopTier
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Dota is older than both of those by quite a bit, HoN started off as a remake of DOTA
toddhunter
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I agree, GB should do it for sure.
Should also stay out of community. It is hard enough to hold back the anime as it is. Once a thread goes there it is all over.
How can they all be viable if only one lets you win? There has been some research done on the psychology in play, might be interesting to read (doubt that will change your mind either).
I don't know why you think that the influencing factor of a mind game can only be visual or immediate (mind games also exist outside of video games ya know?!) There's no such condition in the description, it's that actions (with tangible effects) have been made with the intent to influence or manipulate.
Dota was way before HON lol
starcraft had UMS like that anyways
like, original starcraft
the earliest big one i remember is mercenaries though that was a 4way battle rather than 1v1
brood war had a really popular one that was extremely similar to dota (w/ barracks and shit and all) with 2 lanes going horizontally rather than 3 diagonally
like, original starcraft
the earliest big one i remember is mercenaries though that was a 4way battle rather than 1v1
brood war had a really popular one that was extremely similar to dota (w/ barracks and shit and all) with 2 lanes going horizontally rather than 3 diagonally
I don't know how many people actually own DOTA 2 and play the game regularly but it's around 1 million concurrent online users on a daily basis.
There already is one, it's called Heroes of the Storm. And it has crossover from Starcraft and Diablo universe as well. Blizzard is pushing that MOBA hard.
The only MOBA that was before LOL and DOTA 2 was DOTA 1 which is an exact replica of DOTA 2.
Technically DOTA 1 wasn't even a standalone game, it was a mod. After that came LoL and HoN (Heroes of Newerth). HoN started off as a pure DOTA 1 rip off where as LoL had some fundamental changes.
Thing is that LoL was the first proper MOBA after DOTA 1 and it capitalized on the fact that it had a stable, dedicated match making system. DOTA 1 didn't have a match making system at all, it was just a mess really and it was easy to get hacked plus other stuff. LoL really pushed the online infrastructure of MOBAs and that's why it got a jump start on the MOBA world and such a huge following.
DOTA 2 basically played catch up with LoL in terms of user base. A lot of people who used to play DOTA went to LoL and never came back while some tinkered with LoL and then went to DOTA 2 (and even a smaller fraction went to HoN in between then went on to DOTA 2).
Basically it's not about who did it first but who did it first correctly and that was LoL.
If you want to talk about the first actual MOBA even including custom maps then Starcraft 1: Brood Wars had a custom game called Aion of Strife that was in fact the first MOBA. But yeah.. who the fuck cares right?
Lostconfused
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Yes but HON was an actual thing that people charged money for.
Kind of the point I wanted to make. "eSports" games didn't get super popular overnight or without failures along the way.
Aeon of strife I believe.
Sc had the best custom maps. Rpgs, storylines, horror maps, tower defense...
Custom StarCraft maps were my shit as a kid
Karsticles
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That study is about "typical" behavior in humans. It's like a study on how to beat a flowchart Ken.
Intent is NOT a measurable phenomenon. That is why you can't use it in mindgame defintion.
Think of it this way. If we are playing Marvel, and I go random on my TAC direction 100% of the time with perfect success, am I mindgaming you?
This is true. Community is like the wild west. For all we know this thread could become more anime than pharrell's it girl video if it was in community.
How is Heroes of The Storm working out for Blizzard? Is it printing money like hearthstone?
Japanese KI Tournament
http://www.twitch.tv/ogty
http://www.twitch.tv/ogty
It falsifies your notion that rps is a simple coin flip and that there's no real manipulation going on.
I said "actions with tangible results".
Karsticles
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The study is about how your typical dumb person behaves. Not about manipulation.
Edit: I don't disagree that RPS involves reads. I don't think it involves mindgames.
No way close to Hearthstone but it's doing alright.
Hearthstone is presumably making Blizzard a lot of money though.
Thing with HOTS is that everything in that game is over priced as fuck. Compared to DOTA 2 it's a joke, even compared to LoL it's a bit absurd. But it will grow over time if Blizzard keeps pushing it which they seem keen on doing.
Hearthstone on the other hand has a good model for a card game. Like compare it to something like MTG Online it's no comparison. Then again HS has way less of a card pool so it's way easier to get the cards you want.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
The Japanese name for the MOBA genre is actually AOS, named after that map
irfaanator
Banned
the only real moba before dota2 was dota, which is pretty much dota2 but as dahbomb said a wc3 mod
If SF5 is handled right it will be a game-changer here. I fully expect a 20-25% market share for the PC version, though some of that will be XB1 owners who aren't going to buy a PS4 for one game.
As for retention- the more shitty players you have (and my shitty I mean truly shitty) - they can inflate win rates enough to keep people playing longer.
masher vs masher is usually a 5-5 matchup.
irfaanator
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DryEyeRelief
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top 8 for topanga's event is thawk, rose, blanka, deejay, balrog, makoto and two hugos.
players like kazunoko and fuudo lost early.
she's actually pressing the roundhouse button
players like kazunoko and fuudo lost early.
she's actually pressing the roundhouse button
All the buttons are mapped to roundhouse
I'd be down for this. Watching TI made me want to play again.
Sony definitely understands this.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
LOVA is anime
DOTA is very obviously Street Fighter.
Closest to Marvel would be HoN I guess but HoN is basically a DOTA clone and Marvel isn't really a SF clone to be honest. Maybe Infinite Crisis? At least Marvel was played competitively for quite a while before losing support.
LoL is closer to Smash I guess.
There isn't really an anime equivalent, there aren't really many notable MOBAs with very clear anime designs and influences surprisingly enough.
It's a heavily RNG dependent game, even Mike Ross could beat me at that game.
Well yeah but you could also beat him. =D
Yeah I could beat the #1 ranked Heathstone player potentially. Doesn't really mean much.
DryEyeRelief
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What are the results like for the competitive scene for that game?
too much eslim
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Like you would expect.
It's a matter of consistency really and that's how the top players are ranked (so the better players tend to do better over the long run).
But you can put the best 32 players in the world in a bracket and you really wouldn't know who would actually win the tournament. You have random newcomers winning all the time. It's similar to poker... better player will usually win but the chance of upset is pretty high.
To put it into perspective... the best player in the world currently only has a 65% win rate in the game. You compare it to the #1 player win rates in the fighting games and it's a HUGE difference.
Also I would like to point out that Hearthstone has different formats as well (conquest, last man standing). Certain players are favored vs others in certain conquest. And there are more ruleset changes among all the different tournaments which is bound to produce further variance. You can be the best player in the world at a certain deck but that wouldn't matter in some formats where players can let's say ban a certain class or the format requires that you win with 3 different classes.
Still better than my Fighting Game record ;-;
Seriously though I'm pretty surprised by that. I thought luck wasn't that big a decider in that game.
Holy shit lol.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Much like anime, there are, they just don't really make their way outside of Japan
Marvel is way more complicated than HOTS. HOTS is baby's first MOBA and Marvel is the type of fighter you play after you kinda have the grasp of a standard fighter like Street Fighter and you want something more.
There are hardly any MOBAs out there that are actually more complicated than DOTA. Most MOBAs actually try to be more beginner friendly than that game.
It's fun but I would much rather invest my time in DOTA 2 if I actually had the time to play it.
Luck has a huge part in deciding who is going to win a game of Hearthstone, even more so than other cards games. It's nicknamed RNGstone for a reason.
Basically every time there's a Hearthstone match some commentator will be like "aay yoo EEEEEEE SPORTS" during a ridiculous RNG swing moment which is sarcastically saying how illegitimate this game is as a skill based competitive game. Most commonly seen during Knife Juggler + Implosion combo.
Yes- but it's still figuring itself out in a lot of ways, so there's a lot of massive changes each patch. It's also heavily team-based, so having people to play with is huge.
In TCGs, you cap out at about a ~70% winrate even if you're godlike. When you manage to go nuts in an event, you're either running hot, or you've managed to bust the format with a smart deck choice. (And can be both.)
ShinMaruku
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Great article by Kwiggles (Sonicfox's older brother) about the difference in play from Japan to the US in DOA. It's eerie how it mirros some of what the NA sf players said
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/the-doa-festival-experience.5883/
Here is the part I want to highlight:
http://www.freestepdodge.com/threads/the-doa-festival-experience.5883/
Here is the part I want to highlight:
Read the whole thing it's great.
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