I think the last MK was easily the best one ever. How did it get stale? There's a pretty deep combo system which some people are still finding new stuff with, and there's more random stuff to do than any other fighter.
I'm not sure why you're so quick to dismiss Squigly's stance stuff as unnecessary for casual players but claim Filia's ADC combos are vital to her game at a beginner level (they're not). Similarly, do you think the imaginary audience you're presenting Parasoul to cares about pulling off full tear loop/car combos? Peacock is also way simpler at a fundamental execution level than Faust (idk about Teddie I didn't get that much into P4A), one of her full screen projectiles doesn't even require a command input to attack plus she doesn't really have any random element to her I know you're going to try to cite ...me which item you summon matters like... evercompared to Faust or Teddie
Guess I'll just have to take your word for it. That said, you are correct that the more technical aspects brought up for those two would be just as irrelevant to the casual players that I'm trying to understand. I might as well also admit that out of everything I play right now, I still have yet to invest in playing SG particularly seriously, so I won't have as much understanding in respect to just what it is other players value or prioritize in it. At the same time, I should add that it's not my intention to be dismissive of the game, as you seem to have taken offense to my assessments of it. As said before, I'm more interested in why other players seem to be put off by it for reasons beyond its gender ratio and its aesthetics, and general technicality of playstyles represented compared to what's offered by competing alternatives seemed to be the only other answer.
Hm, perhaps it is just a case of me perceiving most of them to be more complex for others than they actually are. And yes, I do play on PS3.I think you're overstating the difficulty of these characters and are sort of conflating the difference between having tools on a character that are difficult to utilize in neutral vs. making use of the tools that are actually required to have some sort of baseline of success. You don't need to make use of the tools you listed in order to be successful with them. Filia has airdash cancels and those airdash cancels are pretty integral to her basic combo routes. Yes. But in a game with a macro-able 2 button airdash this effectively just becomes another set input in a chain of similar inputs. It's only difficult if you're trying to manually airdash cancel with something like forward forward. You mention the little drill spikes and how they erupt in set places on the map ... which, combined with what little gain you get for actually hitting them with it, makes it so that most people who use Filia completely ignore them and just run the rushdown game instead. Is she as simple as Fukua? Probably not, but she's still by and large one of the most straightforward characters in the game. Jump, airdash, j.HP -> Repeat till hit.
The Parasoul example is probably the epitome of what I'm talking about though. The trend in players to actually make use of tear setting, manual detonation, and the additional combo routes that come with it is a fairly recent development for her character. And was only made possible with tweaks to her overall gameplay that came with the release of the PC version of the game and Squigly edition. You can play her (and I personally play her) in a far simpler manner. The core of her game is still Napalm Shot zoning (which is literally guile) at fullscreen and j.LP -> j.HP as a form of aerial dominance to start combos. Can you do new and obscure mixups while making use of the additional tools? Yes. But at that point we're talking about the difference of fully utilizing a character to their full potential and finding what tools one actually needs to be comfortable using during the course of the match. All the characters in Skullgirls can be played in a simple or straightforward manner once you've internalized that the name of the game is finding ways to reset your opponent for additional damage. After that it's just magic series, launcher string, into shenanigans.
You don't think Big Band is straightforward? If you're talking about parry then yeah he does have a certain level of complexity but when you realize that parrying in a game as fast paced as Skullgirls is sort of a lost cause to begin with then you realize that DP is a far more useful defensive mechanic. I typically only use parry to jump through zoning because it retains your horizontal momentum while in the air. After that the character becomes jump tambourine special into random armor punches hit confirmed into super. The biggest hurdle with learning the character is that he just sucks and everything instant overheads him.
Do you play on PS3?
I think people are more bothered by the aesthetics than they're willing to admit, personally. Players from other fighting games still like to fall back on "it's too slow" "it's too sandwich combo heavy" "it's too reset heavy" arguments despite the first two not being true for months/years by now and the concern trolling is kinda tired tbh
You say the game's "not like that anymore," but I think we're all pretty aware of how much first impressions can hurt a game in the long run. Just ask the SFxT fans about that one.
I would be more inclined to buy some of his opinions if the DoA games under his stewardship were not straight asswater. Some of them were fun, but I think even he managed to go off the rails with making them fun with DoA4.
I'll be honest -- I don't like art style for characters in Skullgirls at all. And this is coming from someone who plays Arcana Heart, so I figured I could at least put up with anything this side of NRS games... nope!
So Marvel fans will feel at home?
Okay, I'll send a friend request later tonight (not sure if I'll be able to get around to SG tonight, but can definitely get that done). Look for one from summerdrone.
And, I mean, it's great that they're mixing stuff up, trying to make it work. I'd really like them to succeed, but...
...yeah, I feel this. The kinds of regular and frequently big changes that happen in Skullgirls, even if you stay off the "beta" channel, are kind of a huge turn-off for players who aren't already super invested in the game. I don't know what the solution to that is.
I guess you're not going to play SFV, then
Is it likely to feel a lot like SF4? Then probably not. I don't think that game is much fun to play! It feels like butt to move around in that game, that's kind of a deal-breaker.