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Fighting Games Weekly | June 9-15 | Q Bomb is Top Tier
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Not sure if it was posted, but impressions from the smashers that played it http://meleeiton.me/2014/06/10/invitational-impressions/
Ignore the "tier list" at the bottom obviously. The other stuff is interesting and gives some insight.
Just remember that it's not like they had a lot of time with the game beforehand.
Talking to smashers, there's too much doom and gloom that it's a bit annoying. No one should be expecting Smash 4 to be the next melee. A lot of people are having kneejerk reactions to anything that's just changed which is unfortunate. I'm still looking forward to it though, especially tomorrow.
I really like the increase in landing recovery after air dodging though. Would've been nice to maybe restrict one air dodge without putting you into a helpless state, but this is good enough. People aren't liking the change to ledges (which was known before) along with no SDI.
Ignore the "tier list" at the bottom obviously. The other stuff is interesting and gives some insight.
Just remember that it's not like they had a lot of time with the game beforehand.
Talking to smashers, there's too much doom and gloom that it's a bit annoying. No one should be expecting Smash 4 to be the next melee. A lot of people are having kneejerk reactions to anything that's just changed which is unfortunate. I'm still looking forward to it though, especially tomorrow.
I really like the increase in landing recovery after air dodging though. Would've been nice to maybe restrict one air dodge without putting you into a helpless state, but this is good enough. People aren't liking the change to ledges (which was known before) along with no SDI.
I don't think anyone is expecting that.
But Sakurai did say it would feel somewhere between Brawl and Melee. From the initial impressions, they seem to have removed the few "advanced techniques" Brawl had, let alone Melee.
It's obviously impossible to say anything concrete, since it's like day -200. But judging strictly from the E3 build... eh.
Thanks for the info! Been meaning to look for this. Lets see what the scientist can cook up in the laboratory with more time.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yeah I was wondering why people were getting hit by smart bombs and not getting the hell out
Some people I talk to are
Not straight up Melee 2.0, but they're hating that it's Brawl 2.0 (which is obvious in the first place).
In terms of advanced techniques, I'm still disappointed dash dancing isn't going to return.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
MisterLuffy
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Some people I talk to are
Not straight up Melee 2.0, but they're hating that it's Brawl 2.0 (which is obvious in the first place).
In terms of advanced techniques, I'm still disappointed dash dancing isn't going to return.
Are you talking about when you dash left to right or right to left repeatedly?
what did he do exactly to win this? or is he just delusional that no one from his "crew" got invited?
toddhunter
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I just want them to speed up the game I have no interest in ever playing, so it is more enjoyable for me to never play.
Karsticles
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Some people I talk to are
Not straight up Melee 2.0, but they're hating that it's Brawl 2.0 (which is obvious in the first place).
In terms of advanced techniques, I'm still disappointed dash dancing isn't going to return.
That's crazy. Melee 2.0 is never going to happen.
All we can hope for at this point is something that feels totally different, in a good way. Like a Smash 64. That game plays nothing like Melee but is fucking amazing. Brawl plays nothing like Melee and is booty butt cheeks.
It would be sad if Smash 4 was Brawl 2.0 not necessarily because Brawl is a bad game, but because until now, all three Smash games have been pretty damn distinct. This game should feel different, not like Brawl but without fucking dash dancing and ledge hogging. That's kinda the vibe I've been getting so far =/
That Dude John
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Cassie Cage is the true Megaton of E3.
We all knew Johnny Cage would get in there.
Dat Glove! OMG!
Passive Assassin
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triforce cleaned his glove?
MisterLuffy
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Karsticles
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If you change your quote to the above, it could replace BELIEVE as the official NeoGAF subtitle.
In Sakurai's case, I'd imagine he fears a high skill ceiling because he wants the game to remain accessible even to the less practiced. Hence tripping in Brawl, a means to weaken any player at any point.
At this point, I'm not sure if any subsequent Smash games will reach SSBM's skill ceiling. The era of the gamecube allowed for a much different mentality when it came to game development, something that definitely contributed to SSBM's ethos. Plus, with the Wii U having access to patches now, I can see Smash 4 entering nerf purgatory, where strengths are nerfed before more complex strengths are learned to advance the metagame. But I'll stay optimistic that customization (if it's actually well executed) could still make Smash 4 interesting in the long run.
All three games were distinct. Lets hope Sakurai keeps that trend up and lady luck is on his side.
Time to find an SD card and actually play it regularly.
MisterLuffy
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I like doing that in Project M.
Riposte
Member
It's funny, I just realized (or forgotten) that the "for" in Super Smash Bros For Wii U/3DS make its sound like Super Smash Bros 4 - the fourth SSB, which it is. Maybe the game should be abbreviated as SSBF if not SSB4.
Anyway, impressions have taken my hype back down to Earth. Sakurai loves his dumb changes.
Anyway, impressions have taken my hype back down to Earth. Sakurai loves his dumb changes.
MisterLuffy
Member
If it's possible?
Edit: To be honest, when I watched the invitational, it was hype at the beginning but it dumbed down in the middle. The celebrities one was pretty hype too. I mean whatever the criticisms the game is getting, I'm still going to play it.
Edit: To be honest, when I watched the invitational, it was hype at the beginning but it dumbed down in the middle. The celebrities one was pretty hype too. I mean whatever the criticisms the game is getting, I'm still going to play it.
MIght have to wait until the new Zelda game to find some weird homebrew bug in again.
Beginning was hype since a lot of favorites were still there. Plus items on a high setting was pretty entertaining for the start. Agreed on the rest too. Zelda Williams with that Greninja, haha.
Coffeeling
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^ this. Smash is a party game and that should be the main focus. That's the reason the game exists in the first place. Just don't hamstring tournament play and pay a bit of attention to a few small things in stage/mechanic design and it'll turn out fine.
Yup. Pretty much
I thought it would be Jax. Getting cockblocked by your own hands must feel awful, that metal touch is such a turn off.
Aren't the actual Melee community one of the most non-toxic (lol) groups around? I think I remember reading that on Mike Watson's blog.
Riposte
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Every fighting game gets criticized, Smash is hardly unique. People criticized the fuck out of Marvel vs Capcom 3, Street Fighter IV, BlazBlue, and so on. And they should be criticized, because discussion and analysis is good for the brain.
When I went to Bestbuy last year to play some Wii U games (3D World in particular), the line was insane. I figure that will be the case this time too, so I'll get to play one match at best if I go saturday.
all this Smash talk is pretty weird. i don't know anyone who played it even once
You poor unfortunate soul
That post about the Smash community being "toxic" and whatever brain-damaged individuals agree with it has to be some troll or joke I'm not in on.
Accessibility and high ceilings in game design are not mutually exclusive concepts. "Smash isn't a fighting game" and "Smash takes no skill" were memes as early as the nascent Melee years and the series never lost its reputation for being a casual party game franchise, despite its mechanics. It never will.
I feel like typing up a huge post on Smashboards regarding the state of the scene, but I'm not sure how many old-shcool players head there anymore. Nintendo is almost literally pimping this community right now with no intention of giving them what they want or need. Exposure definitely is not it.
The scene seems so happy that their father finally chose to acknowledge their existence. But will only visit on the condition that they hand out neighborhood flyers, door-to-door, for his local car dealership, and they don't ask for a dime of child support.
Accessibility and high ceilings in game design are not mutually exclusive concepts. "Smash isn't a fighting game" and "Smash takes no skill" were memes as early as the nascent Melee years and the series never lost its reputation for being a casual party game franchise, despite its mechanics. It never will.
I feel like typing up a huge post on Smashboards regarding the state of the scene, but I'm not sure how many old-shcool players head there anymore. Nintendo is almost literally pimping this community right now with no intention of giving them what they want or need. Exposure definitely is not it.
The scene seems so happy that their father finally chose to acknowledge their existence. But will only visit on the condition that they hand out neighborhood flyers, door-to-door, for his local car dealership, and they don't ask for a dime of child support.
Riposte
Member
I don't think it's a good idea to expect much sense and logic to be flying around the game until 2 months or so after its released. The hype surrounding a Smash release is too thick.
"Party" doesn't mean "non-competitive". If anything, in this context, it means "a game I will not think critically about".
"Party" doesn't mean "non-competitive". If anything, in this context, it means "a game I will not think critically about".
sixteen-bit
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Spuck-uk
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Competitive play never seems to have been a design goal for the game. Brawl has a mechanic that seems designed specifically to remove that aspect (tripping).
Competitive Smash is really a rather clever hack to a party game, given the rules required to make it balanced.
Riposte
Member
Using the menu to turn the items option to "none", using stocks instead of just time, and picking certain stages is a hack now? I wonder if I'll need l33t hacker skills to adjust what songs play on each stage.
Smash matches usually ends with a winner or winning team. The new special 3DS mode mulitplayer adventure-like ends in a match too. Terrible design if their goal isn't competitiveness.
call_kotaku
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Is there any explicit mechanic meant to prevent people from "try-harding", so to speak, in smash wiiu like tripping in brawl? I don't see why not including techniques (or removing them, depending on your point of view) necessarily invalidates it as a competitive game, but I suppose there's reason to be disappointed if you were expecting a successor to Melee. Nobody has any idea if there are new tricks to figure out, so I think there's enough to look forward to in the "new game honeymoon" phase that happens for most fighting games, even if it doesn't end up with the longevity or depth of Melee. Though seeing how a community formed around Brawl, which is apparently awful, I think this game will survive fine.
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