ViewtifulJC
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not even sure whats happening in that gif. Robert throws this chick, did she tech right out of a hard knockdown or some shit
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Fighting Games Weekly | May 18-24 | Forget it Jake, it's Capcom Town
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SixMachine
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Even though I don't really see the need for goofy pretzel motions and I'm not a fan of really tight links, I think fighting games would be boring if it was really easy to maximize every single time. Something that is hard to execute is weighted in it's risk/reward in a player's mind, if you know a really sick combo but don't feel confident in it, you might be inclined to confirm into something in your comfort zone, while another player will feel something else is their "comfort" zone when it comes to combos. If every combo that was attempted was never dropped it will lose some uncertainty and tension since everyone messes up. You can see videos of EG specials and a vid of players like Damdai failing to get a reversal 5 times in a row in ST, execution plays a part in the tension and clutch a player has. You can see Jwong lose to Flocker in 2013 EVO by dropping a storm infinite.
I actually think MVC3 plays to Viscant in a way with his playstyle. MVC3 is really free form in it's combos, with various starters and extension. Something relatively easy can still do significant damage, even if someone isn't going to optimize, in MVC3 a rather basic combo will still put the hurt on you in all levels. In many other games, the gap between confirming into combos is so large that it could seem really detrimental to someone who relies on other aspects of the game to secure victory. In Viscant's case, if he knows he can't end a combo in an optimized manner, you can see he sets himself up in a position that is favorable for him to get the next hit. He approaches the combo in a different manner than someone who could attempt max damage.
Not saying that it should be really hard to do anything in fighting games but there should be variation that appeal to all skillsets within your games. If someone can win via 2 in 1s and pokes, then that should be just as viable as someone fishing counterhit combos or someone who create setups, like Viscant does with Wesker. You also have to take in account that there will also be difficult executions combos or things in every fighting game. Even if you loosen up the inputs, and increase the buffer, the players will find something that is the new difficult thing to do relative to everything else before it.
I actually think MVC3 plays to Viscant in a way with his playstyle. MVC3 is really free form in it's combos, with various starters and extension. Something relatively easy can still do significant damage, even if someone isn't going to optimize, in MVC3 a rather basic combo will still put the hurt on you in all levels. In many other games, the gap between confirming into combos is so large that it could seem really detrimental to someone who relies on other aspects of the game to secure victory. In Viscant's case, if he knows he can't end a combo in an optimized manner, you can see he sets himself up in a position that is favorable for him to get the next hit. He approaches the combo in a different manner than someone who could attempt max damage.
Not saying that it should be really hard to do anything in fighting games but there should be variation that appeal to all skillsets within your games. If someone can win via 2 in 1s and pokes, then that should be just as viable as someone fishing counterhit combos or someone who create setups, like Viscant does with Wesker. You also have to take in account that there will also be difficult executions combos or things in every fighting game. Even if you loosen up the inputs, and increase the buffer, the players will find something that is the new difficult thing to do relative to everything else before it.
KidA Seven
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Lostconfused
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That dude be wishin it's his car.
Hellshingu
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I was just going to post this. Good job sir.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
The guy who blocked once won
FadedRevolution
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its crazy how everyone in the video was asking why such and such happened but if they just looked at the manual for a little bit it would of all been explained.
Karsticles
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Holy shit. How can someone even be remotely that bad on such an old game?
XFC on Cap's Cartwheel is when I closed the tab.
I have seen worse. X factor as soon as the game starts because he was basically mashing every single button still hasn't been topped as far as I am concerned.
ViewtifulJC
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FGW | XFC on Cap's Cartwheel
It's always fun to realize how little experience new guys have. Fighting games really are out of the norm.
irfaanator
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swiss cheese too op
WesternHeretic
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Who runs Combo Breaker? Is this a new tournament? I don't think I remember this one.
its crazy that there are life long gamers and people who make a living r/t gaming who dont have a basic fucking clue about how fighting games work
like, people cry about how FGs are obtuse but I feel like it's also the genre where people just switch off their brains from the outset for some reason
It's UFGT reborn. Different tournament runner, same area, scene and concept.
People perceive Fighting Games as "Button Mashing Quick TIme Events, but longer" I think.
They don't know shit lol
WesternHeretic
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Kiets drop out the game?
Considering how most of the general public perceives fighting games as just button mashers sort of like how they think a DMC game is a button mashing game it's not really a surprise.
Think about what happens when you mash buttons in a strategy game, MOBA or a shooter. You get like one action maybe a couple more but nothing too crazy. In fighting games if you mash buttons something crazy always happens especially if you start wiggling the stick. In a strategy game you won't do any damage mashing buttons, in fighting games you can especially against other scrubs so that's where that perception rises from.
False memories/perceptions of arcade days against bad players/cpus maybe. Or conflating Fighters with Action games like Revengeance and DMC?
idk, buttons are so satisfying to push, gotta press 'em.
The way your character handles nicely on the screen and has a lot of freedom means you just wanna do shit wildly.
Edit: What Dahbomb said.I mash my buttons and spin the stick, sometimes I get Super cancelled from DP! That was awesome, it's like a slot machine with more action! What do you mean that's not the game?
Didn't see this until I already made the thread. Welp.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=164758401#post164758401
Give me some Stunfest info and I'll just add it to the OP
Easily
I mean to be fair, I don't think someone has to like or be adept at every genre of video game to call themselves a gamer.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
wtf man
irfaanator
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bodied lol
oh didn't know you were actually making it, my bad. Thought VJC was just joking. Could just ask Shouta to lock my thread and use yours then, I don't mind.
Lostconfused
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Probably because fighting games are kind of archaic and don't really line up with what people want in terms of fun or entertainment.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
eh nvm
SolarPowered
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KidA Seven
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Players in attendance:
Daigo
Mago
Tokido
Momochi
Fuudo
Gamerbee
Xian
Luffy
Alioune
Gagapa
Valmaster
Ryan Hart
Eita
Bonchan
Ebi
Poongko
Infiltration
RF
Kazunoko
Misterio
Dark Jiewa
Santarouman
Bas
Profluke
Stream for USF4 on Sunday is Capcomfighters. No idea about the other streams as it's really confusing.
Holy shit.
WesternHeretic
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The year that gave us this:
I still laugh when I remember Phoenix shenanigans.
LoL it was a great time. I think good vs evil was probably the hypest exhibition I can remember.
I don't either
We're getting there... slooooooooooowly
I'll pick it up day one. Hope it has netplay so Q can kick my ass efficiently
Here's to Xrd on Steam in December 2017
KidA Seven
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Thanks, dude. Added the info. Poking around the Stunfest site, seems like the streams will pop up here when they go live: http://tv.stunfest.fr/
irfaanator
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better or worse netcode
SolarPowered
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MvC3 is the "hypest" game I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing even if there are better versus games and the game has petered out a bit over the years. It was something you had to be there to experience.
Keep your expectations at the bottom of the marianas trench along with a UMvC3 patch, Skullgirls 2 and Darkstalkers IV.
hmm... weird they didn't get H2 Interactive to do it.
The port is supposedly handled by H2 Interactive, and they have done a good job with the BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend port going by the reviews. So yeah, suck it, you Debbie Downer
I always figured they were going to release AC+R, then UNIEL (UNIEST now?) and then GGXrd (after the next version of the game is out, of course). I guess you could throw BBCPEX on there as well, since the console version of that is out and especially if their next BB game comes out at some point between now and then.
Or maybe it's one of those things where they go slowly... until all of the sudden they go quickly.
so it is done by H2 Interactive... not bad.
They're probably still using the same code as ArcSys though. I doubt they're developing their own.
BlazBlue netcode was always good.
Guilty Gear XX netcode was never good.