I know that that's why you should just use alphabets for movement too. Like for example, even for Soul Calibur you are forced to use alphabets when referring to Counter Hits, While Standing, While Running/Side Stepping... there is no numerical value you can add to notify "WS".
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Air turning is A+C in the air to make you face the other way. Used for mixups among other specific character tricks.
Chip can kill in BB (and GG). If the opponent's barrier gauge isn't depleted, they can use barrier block to negate chip.
The downsides to doing too much barrier is having the gauge depleted (so you take more damage), and you're stuck in blockstun longer when barrier blocking (but there's greater pushback on attacks)
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ASW games have something better than chipping. Guard breaking opponents is absolutely hilarious.
Also, get on your PS3 and play me.
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If ASW actually releases a timely port for GGXrd I'll be fucking shocked. Cause umm yeah.
You turtle with her by using the stupid red mist from the persona and her standing B and 2.B
And yeah you can kill with chip in BB I've done it, I've had it done to me. BB also has guard breaks which every character can use. *Lambda is one of the better characters at guard breaking in BBCSE actually if I remember right*
Letters are used in situations where it makes more sense to use them. The sheer number of diagonal inputs in command lists just makes it easier to use numbers as shorthand for directions most of the time.
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The ball is in their court, but ASW is like that 80 year old gramma who never learned English. She has no idea where she is and all the urban youth scare her.
The things Lab Zero could do if they had half the budget of a Capcom or Namco game...
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They did an okay job with #Reload... but yeah that was the last time
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fuckin' called it, man
Beef tells him he has a pretty mouth.
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It never seems like it depletes fast enough. Thanks for the air turn explanation.
I mained Tager because it meant I didn't have to double tap to dash (LOL) and his combos were easy. I guard break people all the time, but then they just run away while I slowly plod forward. :-(
I think guard break is a cool mechanic, though.
Why is the rest mist stupid?
Maybe I'll play more P4A this weekend at UFGT9.
Design appealing characters?
Here they are, final pool assignments for UFGT9: http://ufgtus.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/rptmasterpooldirectory3.pdf
Turns out I had to make numerous slight adjustments--more than I expected--due to regional conflicts and some players dropping out. But it's still mostly the same. I should get an easier-to-read list of who's in what pool up somewhere shortly, as well.
EDIT: If whoever makes the tournament thread wants a list of who's in each pool and doesn't feel like cross-referencing the assignment sheet I linked above for hours, PM me and I'll get it to you.
Turns out I had to make numerous slight adjustments--more than I expected--due to regional conflicts and some players dropping out. But it's still mostly the same. I should get an easier-to-read list of who's in what pool up somewhere shortly, as well.
EDIT: If whoever makes the tournament thread wants a list of who's in each pool and doesn't feel like cross-referencing the assignment sheet I linked above for hours, PM me and I'll get it to you.
Karst should just stop this anime nonsense and get into Tekken.
No chip on block.
No air dash or air mobility whatsoever.
No good projectiles.
No "zoning" or "keep away" with special moves. Pure footsies and pokes.
No meter management.
No quirky character specific mechanics/bars/traits.
Just straight up MAN game.
No chip on block.
No air dash or air mobility whatsoever.
No good projectiles.
No "zoning" or "keep away" with special moves. Pure footsies and pokes.
No meter management.
No quirky character specific mechanics/bars/traits.
Just straight up MAN game.
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Yes, a lot of the characters in the top sixteen are definitely more appealing than many in the OG roster.
You didn't reply to my game request.
I'd learn Tekken, but I really need to find a place or video that eases me into the game.
In GG's case, there is no guard crush or barrier gauge. There's Faultless Defense to prevent yourself getting chipped but it drains your actual meter, so they can't be using it too often. By the time they're worried about getting chipped out, you'll see them hold it more which reduces a chance of a comeback if they're low on meter.
I agree, but I guess that's what they were aiming for. The fastest way it depletes in BB is if you're about to be guard crushed. To prevent getting guard crushed, you lose (close to?) half of your barrier in exchange. You'll see this more in BBCP, but probably not as often as you would like.
In GG's case, there is no guard crush or barrier gauge. There's Faultless Defense to prevent yourself getting chipped but it drains your actual meter, so they can't be using it too often. By the time they're worried about getting chipped out, you'll see them hold it more which reduces a chance of a comeback if they're low on meter.
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Goddamn. If you remove the "no" from each of those, it's like a list of things that make up a good fighting game.
What game request? I did not notice one.
I hope GG tones down how many mechanics ASW games have.
Holy shit, now that's an anti-air.
No clue
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The best part about the trailer was the song saying dooo yaaaaa during the dust loop part
The problem is that then you just end up getting the same play patterns, but now with forward dashes required. Which is just an annoying hoop to jump through.
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So an ASW game? Kappa
Characters typically have something to make use of it, which is why I said mind games come into play from it.
Overspend for marginal gains?
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Edit:
Solarpowered, I see your game request now. I'm not going to play right now. I only got 4 hours of sleep last night due to work. I'm going to take a nap soon. I don't think I'm in any condition to play a game like Marvel. Just eating some pepperoni before bed...
Solarpowered, I see your game request now. I'm not going to play right now. I only got 4 hours of sleep last night due to work. I'm going to take a nap soon. I don't think I'm in any condition to play a game like Marvel.
Just eating some pepperoni before bed...I think ASW makes good games. I just hate the barrier to entry and their anti-keepaway policies.
The way I see, it's more like anti-runaway policies than anti-keepaway. ASW has created some really broken keepaway characters in their lifetime. *Looking at you CT Nu-13*
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As a Hakumen player, fuck Nu.
And Rachel and Arakune
She's honestly part of the reason why I'm probably skipping BBCP.
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What are you being serious? LOL You know Haku has one of the best anti zoning tools right? He's had it since CS.
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I was referring more to the CT matchup. It was a nightmare getting in before his new j.C, 4C, and the void.
Fighting Nu was just a big annoyance. Is CP Nu basically just Lambda or something? I haven't been keeping up with it.
She now stance swaps between both movesets.
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I watched the first 30 seconds and saw nothing but rushdown play. If you have a point to make, make it!
It's like arguing to remove all the "bullshit" chess introduces and just go back to checkers. Then you can have those honest footsies between pieces face-to-face in the mid-field instead of crazy shit like bishops skewering rooks from afar, knights hopping over pieces, and castling. Madness, I tell you!
Runaway = keepaway. You might think I'm talking about zoning; ASW is definitely not anti-zoning, just anti-keepaway.
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Do a little bit of research before losing your shit man :lol
She's a hybrid of Lambda and Nu, she's not like Nu completely though.
Dude watch the whole thing :l Wtf do you expect to gain from a single round of gameplay :lol
http://youtu.be/2-ujpAG-l70?t=6m46s but there, the matches before it are zoner heavy as well.
This is a good question indeed.
Dear god.. I actually don't mind the mechanics of Tekken and think they're probably the best for competitive play, but when you put it this way it does seem like a calculated attempt at creating the most boring combat system ever for a fighting game.
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I keep forgetting the difference between Lambda/Mu/Nu do any of you have a mnemonic or something I could use
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I'm not trying to gain anything, you're trying to convince me of something, yah?
And I still see primarily rushdown. She just tries to take the last bit of health off with projectiles after having already established a wall of satellites.
Plus her outfit is goddamn tacky. Dress her in something more tasteful, ASW.
I watched the Tager video, and just thought "lol Tager".
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Mu is noel going super saiyan. Plays nothing even remotely close to them. She has huge hitting normals and set's up floating devices that her moves play off of.
Nu is the sword girl from CT she died in CT, lambda is Nu's replacement but more of a weave in and out fighter she dies at the end of CS.
Nu in CP is a fusion of Nu from CT and Lambda CS. One stance specializes in her sword moves and zoning the other specializes in combos and up close.
Well Karst it's not like Marvel is pure zoning either. Every good zoner has close range options to go in and out right? And yes Mu-12's outfit sucks. I wish her prefight one was what she got.
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I mean it's still tacky but damn if it's not a million times better
It even has a ghost rider type character!
Who I hear is still bottom tier. Playing him anyway though.
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It even has a ghost rider type character!
Who I hear is still bottom tier.
It's ok he eats up players who are bad for free more than any other character :lol
That actually sounds perfect for me.
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The oppressive style of keepaway that Karst dabbles in is not something that ASW games really do.
I was so hyped I went and redownloaded my #Reload from GoG too. Tried FRCs again and this stuff is a piece of cake with Baiken compared to Mahvel or SFIV. It really really sucks that AC+ doesn't have an official PC release. I would have been all over that...
If you consider marginal gains to be day one PC ports, immediate implementation of multi man lobbies, story editor mode, expanded tutorials and new characters to a game that desperately needs more roster additions.
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Solarpowered, I see your game request now. I'm not going to play right now. I only got 4 hours of sleep last night due to work. I'm going to take a nap soon. I don't think I'm in any condition to play a game like Marvel.
ASW and tasteful only align once every blue moon. Unfortunately that has happened very few times since they made BB.
What better way to make someone join the playstation family?
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fuckin' called it, man
Wow that sounds awesome.
Characters still have various stances and variating moves that make them interesting along with reversal options or mix up options.
Its not boring because thats like saying ST is boring. Yea that game has some meter management and chip on specials but its a very bland game compared to where Tekken is now. You have so many wake up options in a Tekken game compared to most 2D games which is like a whole meta game by itself. The throw game is also more complex and there are multi chain throws on some characters. Plus Tekken is extremely anti spam, which is to say every move in the game can be either blocked with heavy disadvantage for your opponent, low parried, high parried (some characters), reversed (some characters), duck under if high, side stepped,
hit out of on start up etc. You have an answer to everything and there is no point in the game where you have lost 100% like in a SF game where someone gets you knocked down and make you block a fireball in wake up or do a wake up DP both of which end in a lose/lose scenario.
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I am impressed you can keep all this straight because I am still confused
As far as CP goes though,
Mu = lasers
Nu = swords
is that about right? Need to come up with a mnemonic so I don't forget.
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Is he actually bad, or just bottom tier for now? Why does he supposedly suck?
And the retail version is coming a month later after the DD version of MK9 PC too? lolwat
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