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[mbpm1]

Yeah actually those reasons were dumb, but not reason for banning. Things like yelling in people's ears in the tournament and lying for no reason are pretty bad though.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

I don't think that's why they banned him it just makes the case that he's a shitty person.

They shouldn't mix his possible real offenses in with their opinions on him being a shitty person then. IMO it makes me think they're exaggerating.

 

[Dahbomb]

Some of those reasons for banning that Smash player are super lame. He tells players they're bad, makes excuses when he loses and is critical of teammates? Who cares? I don't know the situation but those particular reasons aren't compelling and shouldn't be evidence a player needs to be banned.

I was like that too until I read that he makes fun of people with disabilities/medical conditions and does stuff like yelling in a deaf person's ear just to belittle them.

Dude is a scumbag, pure and simple.

 

[enzo_gt]

for real though, we need to go after people that nut in other people's beds first

 

[RockTurtle]

for real though, we need to go after people that nut in other people's beds first

hold on hold on let's not jump the gun here, let's iron out the details before we take drastic measures:

what character does this person play?

 

[Coffeeling]

He tells players they're bad

Leffen treats new players poorly, demoralizing them. He tells new players straight to their face that they are terrible, he plays silly characters (low tiers) vs them while screaming how horrible he is with that character to make an idiot out of them, etc. Many people have said that they would've quit after their experience with Leffen if it wasn't for the other people saving their experience, and intentionally motivating them to stay and keep playing.

More than just telling them they're bad. Telling them they're bad is just being truthful, if a bit mean.

hold on hold on let's not jump the gun here, let's iron out the details before we take drastic measures:

what character does this person play?

Leffen? Fox.

 

[Anth0ny]

you guys are discovering leffen?

hahahahaha

 

[Infinite]

They shouldn't mix his possible real offenses in with their opinions on him being a shitty person then. IMO it makes me think they're exaggerating.

How are they exaggerating when it's (presumably) true?

 

[Dahbomb]

you guys are discovering leffen?

hahahahaha

I know who he is and some of the stuff he has done but reading the stuff on that link was still an eye opener.

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

More than just telling them they're bad. Telling them they're bad is just being truthful, if a bit mean.

It's competition, you should be allowed to be mean. They can beat him if they want to shut him up.

 

[FourMyle]

Gadamn I'm bored af. This tournament needs to start back up already! I wanna see Poongko going full retard again

 

[Infinite]

I like how the smash scene will ban a player for being a bully, liar, detriment to the scene etc. but the FGC at large is still cool with certain other things.

hmm.

 

[CountBlack]

The LoL community is quick with bans too.

 

[Silky]

It's competition, you should be allowed to be mean. They can beat him if they want to shut him up.

But these are newcomers supposedly who has no idea of how the game works, right? What is accomplished by pushing away these newcomers with the general fuckery Leffen is accused of?

I mean if im starting comp Melee, and this guy has no intentions of showing me the ropes--who is considered by his peers a talented player-- but instead keeps clowning me because he thinks it's fun? Nah, fuck that scene then

I like how the smash scene will ban a player for being a bully, liar, detriment to the scene etc. but the FGC at large is still cool with certain other things.

Shitty people and favoritism plays a part in community driven competitive scenes, I guess? I mean not ALL the TOs can just pool together a group of every pro player to decide if their negativity is warranted at their events.

it's different compared to moderating a forum

 

[CountBlack]

Since y'all are still talking about it This is Leffen's apology on the matter

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

How are they exaggerating when it's (presumably) true?

If they're saying part of the reason he needs to be banned is because he's a dick, it tells me it's possible they're exaggerating his other offenses because they just don't like him.

 

[Kimosabae]

I'm all for banning someone that has a cancerous attitude. This is a grass roots community, first and foremost, and any events held are done for said community. If someone adopts sociopathic behavior that effects community members in some ill way; by all means, boot their ass. Especially if there's a large consensus.

Smash community is way more tightly knit, and all around friendlier to community members than the rest of the FGC. Spreading lies/exaggerations about community members and being hostile to newcomers is a great reason to ban someone to me. I found the entirety of that list to be repulsive, honestly. That ban is model behavior. In fact, when it comes to community aspects AT LARGE the Smash community exhibits model behavior.

This is all assuming the characterizations of Leffen are truthful, of course.

Since y'all are still talking about it This is Leffen's apology on the matter

*Well...thereitis.gif*

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

But these are newcomers supposedly who has no idea of how the game works, right? What is accomplished by pushing away these newcomers with the general fuckery Leffen is accused of?

I mean if im starting comp Melee, and this guy has no intentions of showing me the ropes--who is considered by his peers a talented player-- but instead keeps clowning me because he thinks it's fun? Nah, fuck that scene then

Nothing is accomplished, he's just being a dick. But I don't think you should ban a player for being a villain. It starts just as much drama and problems as the guy being a villain.

 

[RockTurtle]

Leffen? Fox.

and nothing of value was lost

 

[Silky]

Since y'all are still talking about it This is Leffen's apology on the matter

mostly due to the fact that I've almost quit smash entirely, shifted my focus to Marvel vs Capcom 3

he must've been a fine fit as a marvel player

 

[Infinite]

I'm all for banning someone that has a cancerous attitude. This is a grass roots community, first and foremost, and any events held are donefor said community. If someone adopts sociopathic behavior that effects community members in some ill way; by all means, boot their ass. Especially if there's a large consensus.

Smash community is way more tightly knit, and all around friendlier to community members the rest of the FGC. Spreading lies/exaggerations about community members and being hostile to newcomers is a great reason to ban someone to me. I found the entirety of that list to be repulsive, honestly.

This is all assuming the characterizations of Leffen are truthful, of course.

Well said. I agree.

 

[Dahbomb]

Since y'all are still talking about it This is Leffen's apology on the matter

LOL Leffen playing MvC3 now...

Imagine Leffen and FChamp playing in a set then Leffen starts shit talking and FChamp starts shit talking back.

Only thing is that Leffen isn't going to be as good as FChamp.

 

[Sayad]

It's competition, you should be allowed to be mean. They can beat him if they want to shut him up.

If it hurt the scene by driving away new comers, then I sure as hell don't want someone like that in my tournament/scene.

 

[SloaneRisette]

I like how the smash scene will ban a player for being a bully, liar, detriment to the scene etc. but the FGC at large is still cool with certain other things.

How many players would be left if we banned players though?

Semi-Kappa

 

[Coffeeling]

LOL Leffen playing MvC3 now...

Imagine Leffen and FChamp playing in a set then Leffen starts shit talking and FChamp starts shit talking back.

Only thing is that Leffen isn't going to be as good as FChamp.

That's old as hell. He's back and top8ed Big House 4 recently. (btw, please watch that tournament. It's insane)

 

[Silky]

Nothing is accomplished, he's just being a dick. But I don't think you should ban a player for being a villain. It starts just as much drama and problems as the guy being a villain.

i dunno if I was a TO i wouldn't want any dicks in my event dicking it up to ruin the experience of other people. *shrug*

I don't think there should be people justifying another guy/girl's excuse to be an asshole. What's so wrong with not being an asshole?

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

If it hurt the scene by driving away new comers, then I sure as hell don't want someone like that in my tournament/scene.

What can also hurt the scene is having constant drama over who should be banned, who decides who gets banned, ect.

 

[Kimosabae]

Yeah, here they are now, a year later , and the Smash community is in shambles because they set the precedent for banning bad apples from their events.

Stop talking out of your ass.

 

[mbpm1]

If Leffen played Street Fighter he would play Oni Kappa

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

I can be a bad guy. I have done some of the things on that list. I wouldn't go so far to yell in someone's ear or play a troll character to shame a new comer but I definitely have said some dumb shit I had to take back later. Sometimes I get blown up and deserve it, but sometimes I get blown up for stuff I didn't even do. Should I be banned? Maybe you think so, but when you start banning players just for being villains you open up a huge can of worms.

 

[mbpm1]

Didn't 16 bit and PigofTheHut get banned from BigE tourneys? He might be reflecting on all the drama that started from that

 

[CountBlack]

What can also hurt the scene is having constant drama over who should be banned, who decides who gets banned, ect.

The dude is legit making fun of peoples disabilities and illnesses and you'll still defend him



#NotAllGaffers tho

 

[Lemstar]

LOL Leffen playing MvC3 now...

Imagine Leffen and FChamp playing in a set then Leffen starts shit talking and FChamp starts shit talking back.

Only thing is that Leffen isn't going to be as good as FChamp.

jesus christ you people look at the goddamn date

come on it's like someone just bumped a dead thread and you're just looking at the OP

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Yeah, here they are now, a year later , and the Smash community is in shambles because they set the precedent for banning bad apples from their events.

Stop talking out of your ass.

I'm not talking out of my ass. I'm talking out of experience.

 

[Silky]

I can be a bad guy. I have done some of the things on that list. I wouldn't go so far to yell in someone's ear or play a troll character to shame a new comer but I definitely have said some dumb shit I had to take back later. Sometimes I get blown up and deserve it, but sometimes I get blown up for stuff I didn't even do. Should I be banned? Maybe you think so, but when you start banning players just for being villains you open up a huge can of worms.

The difference between you and Leffen (supposedly) is that you at least know your restraints and own up to them, unlike someone who goes 'haters gonna hate' in response to being exiled.

And like Kimo said, this was a year ago. I don't know much about Smash community but they seem pretty active as usual

 

[Anth0ny]

for some reason dylan sprouse is doing commentary on this smash 3ds stream

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

I can be a bad guy. I have done some of the things on that list. I wouldn't go so far to yell in someone's ear or play a troll character to shame a new comer but I definitely have said some dumb shit I had to take back later. Sometimes I get blown up and deserve it, but sometimes I get blown up for stuff I didn't even do. Should I be banned? Maybe you think so, but when you start banning players just for being villains you open up a huge can of worms.

I mean, the post itself says that most of the things wouldn't warrant banning in isolation, but they contribute negatively towards his overall characterization. They're not banning him -just- for shittalking to newbies. The post also says the pattern of behavior was going on for a real long time, so are you just looking for excuses to give him the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Silky]

for some reason dylan sprouse is doing commentary on this smash 3ds stream

He's a big competitive smash fan from what I've heard

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

I mean, the post itself says that most of the things wouldn't warrant banning in isolation, but they contribute negatively towards his overall characterization. They're not banning him -just- for shittalking to newbies. The post also says the pattern of behavior was going on for a real long time, so are you just looking for excuses to give him the benefit of the doubt?

No, I don't know anything about the guy. Maybe he deserves it. I'm just saying, there are members of the MK community that would write something similar about me. Half of it would be true, half wouldn't. If the EC TO were the governing body of the MKC then Pig and I would be done. Yet the vast majority of the community would say they're wrong. In this case I guess there wasn't much controversy and most everyone agreed he should go, so I'm not saying it applies here. But still, don't believe everything you read.

 

[Kimosabae]

Let me tell you as someone that was entrenched in that community for damn near a decade: you have to be the absolute worst of the worst to adopt the hatred of that community.

You and some friends interested in participating in an event but live across the world? We're talking about a community that at one point, would crow fund your trip, pick you up from the airport, house you, FEED you and get you back home, with no cost to you. Oh, and you and you're friends could have just been random internet scrubs that no one ever heard of. You didn't have to be Ken, Isai to get that kind of treatment. You just had to be wanting to participate in an event. Stories like that would happen all the time way before crowdsourcing was cool everywhere else. People in that community do this with complete strangers on the regular.

I'll go with the community on this one. Especially after reading that twit.

but sometimes I get blown up for stuff I didn't even do. Should I be banned? Maybe you think so, but when you start banning players just for being villains you open up a huge can of worms.

Uhh....no. Leffen is being banned for being a sociopath, not some WWE-tier villain, who's true-to-life motivations are ambiguous.

If you got accused for executing actions you weren't a part in and the result was a ban, you have my sympathies, but the circumstances aren't analogous.

 

[Sayad]

What can also hurt the scene is having constant drama over who should be banned, who decides who gets banned, ect.

Depends really, if the guy is continuously causing unnecessary drama, then the few days/weeks of drama from banning him is the lesser evil.

 

[enzo_gt]

It's competition, you should be allowed to be mean. They can beat him if they want to shut him up.

*not always applicable

RISE, LOWTIERGODS OF THIS WORLD

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Hm, being a villain with the game is one thing but blackmailing other players with their personal info?

 

[Osu 16 Bit]

Depends really, if the guy is continuously causing unnecessary drama, then the few days/weeks of drama from banning him is the lesser evil.

It's not just him. He might deserve it. It might be the right call for him. But once you start banning players you open the door to less worthy bans.

 

[CountBlack]

man.. im in LTG's lobby right now on Xbox

Spoiler

not trynna get bopped and shat on internally

 

[mbpm1]

*not always applicable

RISE, LOWTIERGODS OF THIS WORLD

Someone oughta photoshop faces onto them

man.. im in LTG's lobby right now on Xbox

Don't use a LOW IQ Charge Character like DJ

 

[Kimosabae]

Using DJ is a display of low IQ, period.

 

[Prototype]

If someone is outright humiliating & demoralizing other players, especially new players to the scene, that's not a good thing. Maybe more bans like this will help spread the message that just because you're playing a video game it doesn't mean you get a free pass on being a decent human being.


Edit. I get that competition and trash talk come hand in hand, but it's not like it's that hard to see when someone is crossing the line.

 

[Sykotik]

Is there any webpage I can visit that displays which prominent FGC members are streaming at any given time?

 

[Silky]

Is there any webpage I can visit that displays which prominent FGC members are streaming at any given time?

http://www.twitch.tv/team/fgcpros