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FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 |OT| Change the Future
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InternHertz
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Well thanks to that overpowered Kichu, I only need one fragment, for the entire enemy report ^^
Then a few trophies left and voila!
Then a few trophies left and voila!
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
To be fair, couldn't you say this about the majority of mainline Final Fantasies? Not even trying to start a list war, but seriously I'd think most would agree that maybe out of the 15 games (including both sequels) there's 3-4 "decent" storylines, no? Just as an example, I adore 12 but even thinking back on anything have to do with the plot makes me cringe. I know some people play these games for story, but that's always kind of surprised me since there are much better series out there if that's what you are looking for. Megaten springs to mind.
XII didn't grate me as much, even though the last boss was a joke.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Do you mean plot wise or difficulty wise? My main gripe with that game was by the end with bubble belts and all the gear/experience from hunts I grossly overpowered anything in the main story which made the latter half of the game totally pointless. Plotwise the game had already lost me once you hit the gods stuff. Sorry..off topic..
I really want to play this game, but it's still going for like 6000 yen used. I really don't want to pay anything above 3k. First time I wish I had a 360.
Plot wise...
But as for 13-2... don't worry... the PS3 version will hit bomba bin soon enough. There's still 200K unsold copies.
RedRedSuit
Member
I-III -- standards for story were low then.
IV -- very good story; among the best for the time.
V -- OK, sucked.
VI -- total classic.
VII -- classic.
VIII -- OK, sucked.
IX -- entertaining most of the way through; just goes off the deep end near the very end... excellent characterization.
X -- split opinion on this one; but most at least like it.
XII -- there's potential, but let's put it in the sucks column, as really no one was satisfied with it. (Though for the record, as Kagari stated, it's not that the story was actively bad... just that it wasn't good/resolved in a nice way. It wasn't offensive.)
XIII -- OK, sucked.
By my count, out of 12 games, that's 4 games that can be definitively stated to have underwhelming stories. The rest have good reputations story-wise generally speaking.
For me *personally*, after those original pre-IV FFs, each and every one I played for the characters/world/story, with the gameplay being more of a delivery system than anything. The only exception was XII... fortunately the gameplay and world design were strong enough to compensate for the unfortunate story.
Then there was XIII... where everything except visuals lacked, until the battle system finally opened up 25 hours into the game.
Yes. I'm going to finish getting the fragments and then I will write it.
AngelSoldier
Banned
Erm ... So now that my two week ban is up, what's the general feeling for this game ?
Better then XIII ? Cuz I really liked XIII.
Better then XIII ? Cuz I really liked XIII.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Yeah..this is why I said I didn't want to start any lists haha. Once you wrote 7 is a classic and 8 sucks in terms of story my eyes rolled to the back of my head. By my count though from your list, only 4 (maybe 5) of the games have a palatable storyline. Don't see why you left out 10-2 or 11 from your list. 11's story is probably one of the best (let's say top 3) stories in the mainline.
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Absolutely nothing. That game's story is a mess. Unfortunately, it's totally drenched in nostalgia which is why having that convo even in the community thread would be scary.
Disagree, stuff with Zack + personality was cool, and then the Vincent/Lucrecia backstory was mostly optional but was neat too.
Rahxephon91
Banned
LIST THREAD!!!!
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
The Zack stuff is the best stuff of that mythos, and it's much better represented in Crisis Core. I'd take that story over 7's (or anything having to do with Jenova) any day.
/abandons thread (seriously, will get 13-2 before coming back)
Take off-topic stuff here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447963
Agreed.
RedRedSuit
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- I left out 11, because it is an MMO. It's not really in the main series and was only denoted as such as a marketing gimmick. However it works to my point anyway: that FFs have, in general, well received story lines.
- I did forget X-2... that's true. You can increase the suck count by 1 there. Point still stands though numerically.
- I was listing consensus opinions, not my personal opinions. Fans are generally in love with VII and conversely with VIII (story-wise). (Yes, people like to shit on VII and call it nostalgia... that's fine... that's their prerogative... but that doesn't change the clear consensus on it, and that is that it is great. Discussing/defending why or how that is the case is far outside the scope of the thread or the discussion.)
- Your post to which I reacted was expressing surprise as to people playing FF for the story. Specifically you said "but seriously I'd think most would agree that maybe out of the 15 games (including both sequels) there's 3-4 "decent" storylines, no?". I showed why that is not the case. I am not saying you're wrong to disagree, just explaining the situation.
EDIT: OK, I copied this over into the community thread. Personally I feel the discussion is relevant to the guy's original point (Who plays FF for the story?!), but if this stuff is to be deleted, so be it.
I play FF games for story, compelling characters, fun combat that can be challenging, and great soundtracks.
It all depends what you want from stories and what is a personal irk when you go through them, but FF games tend to do a lot better in regards to story than other JRPG's brought over to the west.
I'm excited to play FF13-2, because I get some Chrono Cross vibes from it, and am someone who enjoyed FF13's plot overall while some of it didn't feel quite right.
If their stories were complete dog shit, then I'd probably be renting most FF games, and not buying them.
What's the general consensus thus far on 13-2's story? Good, bad, hate/love?
It all depends what you want from stories and what is a personal irk when you go through them, but FF games tend to do a lot better in regards to story than other JRPG's brought over to the west.
I'm excited to play FF13-2, because I get some Chrono Cross vibes from it, and am someone who enjoyed FF13's plot overall while some of it didn't feel quite right.
If their stories were complete dog shit, then I'd probably be renting most FF games, and not buying them.
What's the general consensus thus far on 13-2's story? Good, bad, hate/love?
Zoe
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I'm not a hater. I'm interested to see where they'll take the mythology from here on. I really only had one gripe:
why the hell do they want to go back to Coccoon? Everyone seems to be perfectly fine on the surface.
InternHertz
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And done! Platinum get in 72h03m32s.
And I loved every minute of it.
And I loved every minute of it.
Zoe
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StunandStab
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I love the game too. But feeling burnt out at 78 hours. Not platinum yetYay, someone who loves the game! I`m hoping I will feel the same
That's really the sign of a bad story. Initial impressions of stories are usually worthless, what matters are when people have time and actually think about the narratives and themes. Sometimes this works for the better and other times it just doesn't.
Zoe
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New interview posted with Torimaya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hNlY16p-bE
Someone at gamefaqs says that at the end, he says something like, "The game 13-2 hasn't ended yet, but instead will continue through DLCs. Please wait patiently."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hNlY16p-bE
Someone at gamefaqs says that at the end, he says something like, "The game 13-2 hasn't ended yet, but instead will continue through DLCs. Please wait patiently."
well, they already said there will be scenario DLC after release of the game. when you unlock all areas in the game,two still remain locked which look like to be place holder for future DLC.
looking at the Historia Crux, I doubt either would affect the ending in anyway now, they are probably just side stories.
One is in Xanadu, which I'm guessing is related to Sazh DLC they hinted at in Dengeki interview.
One is in Valhalla, which I'm guessing is related to Lightning.
One is in Valhalla, which I'm guessing is related to Lightning.
looking at the Historia Crux, I doubt either would affect the ending in anyway now, they are probably just side stories.
Is Platinum as grindy, easier or harder than 13?
The more I look at this game, there more I get angry at the fact that Lightning is underrepresented. She has about 6-8 minutes of total playtime and supposedly she has 30 minutes of screen time max (which may increase with DLC) still, its completely unacceptable. SE marketed her as the main character, she's on the cover, the entire premise of the plot was supposed to revolve around her. I know i'm ranting, but Lightning is one of my favorite FF characters of all time. Toriyama's sick twisted obsession with turning things around and having Serah save Lightning was a terrible, terrible idea.
Does anyone else feel this way?
Does anyone else feel this way?
Given how I actually liked Lightning and was looking forward to play as her for a substantial amount of time in this one at the very least, you're not the only one. It's frustrating that SE decided to take on all of the most irritating aspects of incorporating DLC, and Lightning will probably be extremely overpriced DLC in the grand scheme of things. In terms of what Toriyama previously said about Lightning juxtaposed to what actually happened... Yeah, he pretty much trolled the XIII fanbase with that one.
But like how Kojima at least opened his ear in regards to the negative reception on Raiden, perhaps Toriyama will do the same in regards to Lightning's seemingly non-role in this game in XIII-3 or whatever they try to do after this.
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That is true... But I think Hope did say that
he wishes to minimise the damage done at ground zero aka the place where Cocoon will fall if it falls. I think it's more of a "plan for the future thing" since the effects of Cocoon's fall is not immediate but a slower process that takes 200 years to kill all humans. Did Academia exist in Noel's original timeline?
ZephyrFate
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S-E stopped marketing her as the main character 6-8 months before release. She's on the cover to keep the theme established by the first game's cover (Lightning in some sort of pose).
Zoe
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FateBreaker
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Oh man. This is exactly what I thought about XIII's story. The more I thought about it, the stupider and stupider it sounded--especially the end. *sigh.
No, you could not.
RPGCrazied
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so no optional bosses that require some strategy or anything? It really doesn't bother me, cause some of the difficulty in XIII I didn't like. Will be nice to finally breeze through a game. So weapons aren't really looking for or buying? No biggie, in XIII, you really didn't need to upgrade or buy lvl 1. weapons at all.
It's not like Pulse is TINY though. Flipping hundreds of years and you can't travel far enough from Cocoon so that you don't get affected by the fallout? Or maybe build extra supports? Or build civilization a certain distance away and then make an awesome wall of fans to blow the crystal dust in the opposite direction? Or launch a rocket to live on the moon...? Because living in an artificial Cocoon faces the same problem as living on the original Cocoon, which is that it'll fall sometime. It boggles my mind why a second Cocoon needs to be built in the first place, when there are so many other ways they could have gone with their technology.
InternHertz
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Hah, a lot easier than XIII once your team is ready. There's a little grind involved but it's nothing compared to the previous game.
Fragment skills menu, last entry I think.
Beating the game with 160 fragments gives you the last and final ending.
AlphaDragoon
Member
Nope, sure the hell don't. XD
No Lightning makes for a better game, if you ask me. I for one welcome our new Noel overlord.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Back cover for the international versions:
http://finalfantasyxiii2.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/13-2_ps3_eu_cover.png
http://finalfantasyxiii2.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/13-2_360_eu_cover.png
http://finalfantasyxiii2.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/13-2_ps3_eu_cover.png
http://finalfantasyxiii2.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/13-2_360_eu_cover.png
Those look pretty lazily done.