Man, seems like WHM got hosed with this update. :\
Time to main AST or SCH, I guess.
Time to main AST or SCH, I guess.
All of this.
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That sounds fucking awful
Mysterious Ryan
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10/10
Mysterious Ryan
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well you still can, just make sure not to get blinded.
Reddit Is coming up with some ridiculous numbers for samurai :
Midare Setsugekka = 720 potency
Hissatsu Kaiten= Increase next weaponskill potency by 150%
Slashing debuff + 10%
Self dmg buff 15%
Hissatsu Guren is an OGcd. Build 70 kenki.
Hissatsu Kaiten -> Midare Setsugekka + Hissatsu Guren = ~3000 potency in one GCD+OGCD
that's not even including buffs like AST Balance but by itself that would mean doing more damage then a LB1 wich is 2400potency .
Midare Setsugekka = 720 potency
Hissatsu Kaiten= Increase next weaponskill potency by 150%
Slashing debuff + 10%
Self dmg buff 15%
Hissatsu Guren is an OGcd. Build 70 kenki.
Hissatsu Kaiten -> Midare Setsugekka + Hissatsu Guren = ~3000 potency in one GCD+OGCD
that's not even including buffs like AST Balance but by itself that would mean doing more damage then a LB1 wich is 2400potency .
Stone Ocean
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Thinking about it, Passage of Arms might have some cool raid uses like having 100% block chance vs multi hitting busters, busters back to back or for extra mitigation in any stacking mechanics that the PLD needs to take part in.
The top comment in that Reddit thread was great.
The thing with BLM isn't so much that they're bad at class fantasy--the WHM changes are I guess awesome if you just want to be a pure overheal healbomber regardless of whether or not the content warrants it or if you'd be more productive on something else--it's that they remain not particularly useful team players. It's the problem monk faced in Creator and it sounds like SAM will face.
It's not a problem DRG has because lolDisembowel. When allocating DPS slots, bringing a DRG will benefit the rest of the party and superbenefit a ranged. Bringing a BLM over any other caster benefits nobody but the BLM.
It will work, but given the Huge Deal they made out of trying to fix synergy problems, they... really kind of left some jobs out in the cold.
"What's utility I'm stroking my dick here?"
For what it's worth here, you can Dark Arts either SS or SE and it'll be the same thing in the end if you were only DAing one of the two hits anyway. +140 potency from DA activation in both cases. So it's mostly just a +20 potency gain to in all situations and a potential extra +140 on top if you DA both of the hits.
And Blood Weapon was lowered to a 40s cooldown to match Blood Price with Delirium as a 120s cooldown that costs 50 Blood Gauge to extend their duration by 8 or 16 seconds respectively; Blood Weapon also adds +3 BG per attack/WS and Blood Price is a flat +5 addition.
I mean XI SAM basically was his own skilchain party so... time to bring the same design philosophy back.
Relaxed Muscle
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Not only that, but SAM also looks to be an AoE machine.
Edit: Damn, now I'm terribly hyped.
Edit: Damn, now I'm terribly hyped.
AlphaDragoon
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Yup. Mwahahaha.
Stone Ocean
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Yeah but can SAM use a 250 potency attack every couple minutes if the RNG allows it?
Didn't think so
Didn't think so
MNK is basically the Wondrous Tails of DPS jobs now
AlphaDragoon
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800 potency AoE. 800. Holy shit.
Hopefully never because they have no utility and will be like Heavensward Monk if they do.
No macros for me because I won't be able to see the text over all the giant numbers on the screen.
LordKasual
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Thank you MTQcapture, you are the bestest.
After looking at most of the class changes:
BRD = Looks extremely interesting now, i'm probably going to main BRD again coming back into Stormblood.
BLM = They're probably about to be the undisputed AoE kings once again. Traded some of Fire IV's potency for reliability, which i'm all good with. Cannot wait to see the Flare + Umbral Heart + Triplecast + Manashare gimmicks
PLD = Based YoshiP. It sounds like i'm finally going to actually have fun playing PLD now. Thank you <3
DRK = What little AoE was there was nerfed to the ground, but Off-Tank damage is gonna be reaaaally good now
WAR = PENTACLEAVE
MCH = Dont know much about it, but it looks interesting with the new Gauss mechanic
WHM = Going to probably be the most reliable healers for sure. New potencies are insane.
NIN = Dat burst damage at lv 70 is going to be crazy baby. 720 crit +720 Raiton!
Questionable classes....
DRG = What. The fuck. Are those buffs????????????????
MNK = They LOOK like they got nerfed, but it's really too early to tell with all the new mechanics.
SMN = They seem to have been nerfed too, but since we dont know what their pets are looking like, they're probably fine. Akh Morn looks STUPID powerful.
AST = A great class is even more great, dunno why they got buffed so much
REALLY questionable classes.....
SAM =
After looking at most of the class changes:
BRD = Looks extremely interesting now, i'm probably going to main BRD again coming back into Stormblood.
BLM = They're probably about to be the undisputed AoE kings once again. Traded some of Fire IV's potency for reliability, which i'm all good with. Cannot wait to see the Flare + Umbral Heart + Triplecast + Manashare gimmicks
PLD = Based YoshiP. It sounds like i'm finally going to actually have fun playing PLD now. Thank you <3
DRK = What little AoE was there was nerfed to the ground, but Off-Tank damage is gonna be reaaaally good now
WAR = PENTACLEAVE
MCH = Dont know much about it, but it looks interesting with the new Gauss mechanic
WHM = Going to probably be the most reliable healers for sure. New potencies are insane.
NIN = Dat burst damage at lv 70 is going to be crazy baby. 720 crit +720 Raiton!
Questionable classes....
DRG = What. The fuck. Are those buffs????????????????
MNK = They LOOK like they got nerfed, but it's really too early to tell with all the new mechanics.
SMN = They seem to have been nerfed too, but since we dont know what their pets are looking like, they're probably fine. Akh Morn looks STUPID powerful.
AST = A great class is even more great, dunno why they got buffed so much
REALLY questionable classes.....
SAM =
EndcatOmega
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No seriously where is Gil Toss?!
Good point, I can't math.
Just saw the video and BP can only be used with grit on now? Not sure how I feel about that. With that + the fact that bloodspiller's potency boosts in grit to make up for the damage loss I wonder if we will start seeing DRK dropping grit way less often.
Man, I'm really bummed that BP is gonna be grit-only now. I enjoyed picking up adds as OT and just letting my MP skyrocket. Still not a deal breaker.
Kaiten is a x1.5 mult and not x2.5, so its around 2.3k potency total.
You can watch the SAM vids, note non crit WS (and buffs) and note the same WS+buffs under kaiten. It's no where close to being x2.5.
I was hyped too, but a little bit less now. Still 1k+ potency WS, just not as bonkers as previouslt assumed.
I must admit I rolled my eyes at the guy on reddit saying the tooltip is wrong earlier, but after watching some videos and taking numbers I am starting to agree.
Need more people to go through the videos and not just go off the tooltips before we can say 100% (or wait till EA on the 16th).
Wow, these are great. She really puts in the work.
Do it every tier to get crafted gear now. You won't believe the damage!
Relaxed Muscle
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Hanging around Fracture in the "skills no one really wanted" land.
Altered Juice
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So sam is monk 2.0?
Goddamn @ those potencies
Goddamn @ those potencies
LordKasual
Banned
After looking over all of the classes
Yeah, i'm thinking that Monk is going to be the new 3.0 Release BRD
I mean, FFS they are almost literally doing the same thing to MNK 4.0 that they did to BRD in 3.0.
The crux of their DPS increase is probably going to come from a new stance that buffs their power, but nerfs their speed.
Not to mention, Forbidden Chakra's potency nerf is INSANE. I guess it's supposed to offset the fact that you will actually be using it in 4.0...but 30% chance proc that relies on Critical Chance proc that needs to happen 5 times before it becomes useful?
eeeegh. Lookin' rough.
Yeah, i'm thinking that Monk is going to be the new 3.0 Release BRD
I mean, FFS they are almost literally doing the same thing to MNK 4.0 that they did to BRD in 3.0.
The crux of their DPS increase is probably going to come from a new stance that buffs their power, but nerfs their speed.
Not to mention, Forbidden Chakra's potency nerf is INSANE. I guess it's supposed to offset the fact that you will actually be using it in 4.0...but 30% chance proc that relies on Critical Chance proc that needs to happen 5 times before it becomes useful?
eeeegh. Lookin' rough.
I still can't get over that Bane nerf, what on earth convinced the dev team that was a sensible idea. 1 fewer DOT than before, massive nerf to Bane, Fester lost 100 potency, Ruin 3 lost 50 potency, Ruin 4 is completely based on random procs, no Blizzard 2, Akh Morn has damage reduced depending on number of mobs. And on top of all that, fucking Tri Bind still exists unchanged.
Hopefully Yoshi and his team are looking at reactions to these numbers and taking feedback on board.
Hopefully Yoshi and his team are looking at reactions to these numbers and taking feedback on board.
As a mnk main since 2.0 this hurts my soul *equips katana*.
Maybe brotherhood and the crit passive will end up better than it looks?
Yeah but then at the same time they can also be a mana battery since they have infinite mana with the new mana transfer skill.
It's unlikely to say statics will be recruiting specifically for BLM, but they're not extremely hindering to work around like before.
The only thing released was something about scrips and their AF3's looke like assets were reused
LordKasual
Banned
I laughed my ass off at that Bane nerf. Holy jesus. Akh Morn's damage reduction should be a given, 680 Potency is pretty fucking strong. Can he use it more than once?
The thing about Summoner that people aren't realizing is that we have not seen any of the Pet actions. And with the potency retooling that's been going on, it's very likely that we're either gonna see:
a) Base attack potency buffs across the board on pets to make up for the loss of a DoT
b) Ridiculous Enkindle potency buffs (my money is on this)
So I wouldn't be concerned about Summoner right now. Every change they've made seems to fall in line with the throughline for Stormblood, which is to streamline the rotation and increase the DPS floor.
Relaxed Muscle
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My experience as SAM in SB:
- Gets SAM to 60 on POTD
- Does quest up to the first MSQ dungeon.
"Oh my god, finally I can play SAM on real content!"
*2 hours of queue*
- Goes back to Tank.
- Gets SAM to 60 on POTD
- Does quest up to the first MSQ dungeon.
"Oh my god, finally I can play SAM on real content!"
*2 hours of queue*
- Goes back to Tank.
If pet actions changed, wouldn't people have noticed these? Or were they not available for preview, which is be weird as hell?
BLM's position in ~optimal meta~ is potentially worse than it used to be--if you're going to bring a caster you have two options that boost party damage and can Rez (I think?) or one that... can't.
Like, if they keep targeting Creator everyone is going to be able to raid. BLM's toolkit is setting them up to be really good at the the stuff they were good at before. When you have a four hour live letter hyping up how you've seen the rise of the Optimal Meta and the squeeze it's putting on the playerbase, and that you realize the need to fix synergies, straight up ignoring it for BLM and letting DRG continue to benefit for being the sole method to ranged jobs doing full damage is an underwhelming at best look. The monk change appears to be the scary story we told monks asking for group buffs about how it'd leave them a shell of their former selves. SAM is stepping in to fill the spot Monk vacated.
A lot of this data is still sketchy and they've got time to fix some of it, but on a basic level they really did not do a good job of handling synergy at all.
LordKasual
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Nobody has shown us the Pet toolbar actions yet.
Yep...he did all of SMN and then glossed right over the pet action window :/
Stone Ocean
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On top of that, the only unique thing BLMs brought to a fight - Apo - is now avaiable to all casters.
So basically unless BLMs start putting out SAM-level damage or heavy AoE becomes commonplace in fight design - RIP Bane - there's zero reason to even look at BLM when thinking about raid compositions, specially now that Foe's is dead and they no longer have RS.
I mean at this point I think we're probably looking at a reality that heavily involves a DRG/BRD/RDM DPS comp with another physical DPS in the last slot. SAM's batshit potencies mean you might be able to get a decently synergistic comp featuring probably the three most hyped DPS jobs heading into expansion.
I am seriously blown away that they didn't address Disembowel at all. They made applying slashing less annoying for Ninjas, but left DRG with "instant base damage boost with constant uptime!" and no self-support versions.
Just lemme sac some ammo for piercing. C'mon guys.
I am seriously blown away that they didn't address Disembowel at all. They made applying slashing less annoying for Ninjas, but left DRG with "instant base damage boost with constant uptime!" and no self-support versions.
Just lemme sac some ammo for piercing. C'mon guys.
QisTopTier
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Lucid Dreams plus Aether Flow on sch is fucking hilarious. Plus the chance to reduce Aether Flow by 10s when you use abilities that use stacks xD Fuck MP management time to go crazy 
EndcatOmega
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They'll give it to BRD and not MCH and you know it.
To be honest for a while I thought they were straight up getting rid of the resistance debuffs.
I spent most of last tier doing prog without a DRG. It's primarily annoying because it is impossible to figure out what good damage without Disembowel was supposed to be ("FFLogs give me parses for this fight with no DRGs." And then they all have drgs.)
I have never wanted to punch somebody over the Internet as much as I did any time our NiN had to DE for any reason and bitched about losing like 60 potency. AND THEY ADDRESSED HIS COMPLAINT
It's fine I already offered to give up the physical ranged spot and main BTN. I have zero hype and lots of people have massive bard hype so Godspeed to them.
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