Just like Microsoft was with Quantum Break
First Horizon review [Engadget]
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Just like Microsoft was with Quantum Break
SomedayTheFire
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God these review threads are so silly.
Primethius
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So with an early embargo, instead of using an example from another title that Sony had an early embargo with, you went to a Microsoft game?
Hmmm, okay.
Exactly.
I'm sure Horizon will get 90 on Metacritic but still, sometimes publishers are wrong about early embargoes.
Still proves that releasing an embargo early doesn't mean great reviews are set in stone.
I'm sure Horizon will review well though.
Can Crusher
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This was the best of reviews. A bit tired of reading break downs of game mechanics, who gives a shit.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
And that's good?
Might not be horrible as it used to be, but they obviously wouldn't lift the embargo early for a 77 MC.
No, I chose new IP
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
Primethius
Banned
Okay, Nioh just came out. 87 MC.
Y'all are talking about her as if she hasn't been writing about games since 2008, or that she wasn't a senior reporter at Joystiq before they shut down.
Just because someone specializes in certain genres doesn't mean they don't play a variety of games. Especially so if you're a journalist in the industry.
TRUE ORDER
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Waiting for more reviews now.
Back-In-Black
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It's not, when I'm looking for an opinion on a new story driven RPG the last person I want to hear is someone whose never played or finished one and doesn't care much for story in games. It'd be like me reviewing a fighting game, I would be completely out of my depth there.
That's true, although it had three betas and player feedback improved the game. Whatever, forget about it. I'm just saying that early embargoes aren't always a good sign.
That means that this review isn't for you. For some people it will be the first RPG, they will find this review interesting. That's why we have >100 different websites about videogames.
That was back before we saw much of it, but now that it's in people's hands and the impressions are mostly good then yeah it'll do well.
I was kinda evaluating based on the dev's last game Shadowfall, which was garbagio.
Kenzodielocke
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Tbf. your post was this year and I think we got a lot of footage of this game already, before the preview events. I think it's really unfair to judge them by their last game, which had a different director and was a launch title for a new console.
Nightengale
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Since we're on the topic of comparison with early embargoes, I thought I'd pull up my old GDoc list of the few early review embargo games (>3 days) I kept track off and update this year's.
The Last of Us - 9 days
Bayonetta 2 - 10 days
Mario Kart 8 - 14 days
Dragon Age: Inquisition - 7 days
Shadows of Mordor - 4 days
The Witcher 3 - 7 days
MGSV: The Phantom Pain - 8 days
Arkham Knight - 4 days
Super Mario Maker - 8 days
Uncharted 4 - 5 days
Deus Ex: MD - 4 days
Quantum Break - 4 days
Forza Horizon 3 - 7 days
Gears of War 4 - 5 days
Gravity Rush 2 - 8 days
Yakuza 0 - 5 days
Nioh - 5 days
Horizon Zero Dawn - 7 days
The Last of Us - 9 days
Bayonetta 2 - 10 days
Mario Kart 8 - 14 days
Dragon Age: Inquisition - 7 days
Shadows of Mordor - 4 days
The Witcher 3 - 7 days
MGSV: The Phantom Pain - 8 days
Arkham Knight - 4 days
Super Mario Maker - 8 days
Uncharted 4 - 5 days
Deus Ex: MD - 4 days
Quantum Break - 4 days
Forza Horizon 3 - 7 days
Gears of War 4 - 5 days
Gravity Rush 2 - 8 days
Yakuza 0 - 5 days
Nioh - 5 days
Horizon Zero Dawn - 7 days
Back-In-Black
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Which is exactly what I said.
https://twitter.com/isaparrot/status/832886615773057025
The crow conservationists are probably gonna have to be out in full force come Monday.
They're great birds, very clever and important to their ecosystems. It would be a shame if we lost them all to the trolls that will have to eat them
Seriously though, I'm seeing an annoying level of stupidity...er maybe ignorance in here.
People are saying the review is useless because Aloy is compared to a bunch of heroines and she doesn't talk about gameplay etc.........Except she does! She does not go into detail but she did say the game is fun to play and she brought up the VERY important point that the game has a great story that's told well. That's something a lot of people were worried about.
Some of you guys in here are something else.
The crow conservationists are probably gonna have to be out in full force come Monday.
They're great birds, very clever and important to their ecosystems. It would be a shame if we lost them all to the trolls that will have to eat them
Seriously though, I'm seeing an annoying level of stupidity...er maybe ignorance in here.
People are saying the review is useless because Aloy is compared to a bunch of heroines and she doesn't talk about gameplay etc.........Except she does! She does not go into detail but she did say the game is fun to play and she brought up the VERY important point that the game has a great story that's told well. That's something a lot of people were worried about.
Some of you guys in here are something else.
Kenzodielocke
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The Last of Us - 9 days = 95 MC
Bayonetta 2 - 10 days = 91 MC
Mario Kart 8 - 14 days = 88 MC
Dragon Age: Inquisition - 7 days = 89 MC (PS4, 85 on PC,XB1)
Shadows of Mordor - 4 days = 84 MC
The Witcher 3 - 7 days = 92 MC
MGSV: The Phantom Pain - 8 days = 93 MC
Arkham Knight - 4 days = 87 MC
Super Mario Maker - 8 days = 88 MC
Uncharted 4 - 5 days = 93 MC
Deus Ex: MD - 4 days = 84 MC
Quantum Break - 4 days = 77 MC
Forza Horizon 3 - 7 days = 91 MC
Gears of War 4 - 5 days = 84 MC
Gravity Rush 2 - 8 days = 81 MC
Yakuza 0 - 5 days = 84 MC
Nioh - 5 days = 87 MC
I hope its just the main quest...the way the person talks in the pulled review makes it sound like its the whole game because they says they wish it was 60...do sidequests and stuff then...I dont expect it to be Witcher 3 long from a dev that is making their first game of this type but 30 all around would disappoint me a bit.
Nightengale
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For me, I've never minded the skeptics of Horizon who don't like all the Ubisofty elements of the game. A lot of those concerns are valid, since for what it's worth, Horizon isn't promoting itself as a game with deep RPG systems.
What I don't like about the back-and-forth of negative/positive, is when the negativity towards Horizon is summed up with "GG is a terrible dev and they can never possibly make a good game because they never have" which, while I struggle to think who's said it before, has definitely popped up here and there.
Not that one shouldn't be skeptical of a developer that has never made a game you never liked. But one should balance that skeptism with the gameplay previews/trailers/etc that they've showed of the product and keep a balanced view of stuff.
And also keep an open mind towards the reality that game developers are made up of a bunch of human beings, and 6 years is a long time for people to massively improve their skills and talent.
Whether the game ultimately turns out to be good or not, it's good if we can discuss pros and cons of an upcoming product more so based off what they've shown of it, but less so of dismissiveness.
What I don't like about the back-and-forth of negative/positive, is when the negativity towards Horizon is summed up with "GG is a terrible dev and they can never possibly make a good game because they never have" which, while I struggle to think who's said it before, has definitely popped up here and there.
Not that one shouldn't be skeptical of a developer that has never made a game you never liked. But one should balance that skeptism with the gameplay previews/trailers/etc that they've showed of the product and keep a balanced view of stuff.
And also keep an open mind towards the reality that game developers are made up of a bunch of human beings, and 6 years is a long time for people to massively improve their skills and talent.
Whether the game ultimately turns out to be good or not, it's good if we can discuss pros and cons of an upcoming product more so based off what they've shown of it, but less so of dismissiveness.
I still remeber the pain i felt when i had to wait 9 days before i could play The Last of Us after reading all the reviews and people on Gaf that already had the game.
I said how skeptical should we be, not that the reviewer was in the wrong.
From what I've seen Aloy looks like a great character. Or at least a good one. Would be extremely hard to imagine that they would make her unlikable at any point.
Primethius
Banned
Who said that quote?
Its in the reddit thread about the review! this is the direct copy paste quote, though.
Lot of people channelling the simillar thought with different words.
firenskill2000
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Primethius
Banned
Reddit? Not shocked at all.
Reading through the first couple pages of this thread and people are jumping through all sorts of hoops to say this review doesn't matter.
People already decided this was a Ubishit game, and there's nothing that can convince them otherwise.
Anyway, glad to see the reviews being good. 30 hours isn't that bad, but I would like a breakdown of if that's just the main quest or also side quest and challenges.
People already decided this was a Ubishit game, and there's nothing that can convince them otherwise.
Anyway, glad to see the reviews being good. 30 hours isn't that bad, but I would like a breakdown of if that's just the main quest or also side quest and challenges.
It even managed to enthrall someone who normally avoids open world epics in favor of games like LOL.
potatohead
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Who plays lol? Opinion negated
We lack context on that comment though. Was it 30 and ~50-60% completion like the french reviewer was tweeting? Was she up against a review deadline and so basically capped herself at a playthrough of the main story before completing the review for publication?
There are a lot of unknown variables. As of now it sounds like 25-30 for the main story and some side content, but far from a completionist run.
Also, reviewer was a woman.
Triggerhappytel
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Interesting. So, in summary, when a publisher allows an early review embargo (even for a new IP generally) it's because they rightfully have a lot of confidence in their game.
I think it'll fall just short of that. A score of 90 or above is getting increasingly rare this gen, reserved really only for the absolute best of the best.
What?! Has anyone here said that for real?!
Edit - oh, I see your comment after that about it being from Reddit. I hope if anyone here trots out that kind of bullshit they'll get swiftly banned.
I'm a statistician. Want me to do a correlation analysis on those numbers? lol
It's because people want to crap on anything positive about the game.
franklyshankly
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It is interesting. In the other threads the concern was "but will the story actually be good?" and now a review that focuses on (in the reviewer's opinion) a very good story, that isn't what people care about.
Kenzodielocke
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If you want to. I am interested.
Primethius
Banned
WordsintheWater
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There are good arguments and then there are bad arguments. I'm not saying there isn't any shit posting going on, but it comes from both sides. I read the whole impressions thread, this thread, and just about every other Horizon thread. There are plenty of examples of jumping down other's throats for even the mention of a Ubisoft like game, even when the post isn't a shit post.
A lot of the stuff in the impressions thread consists of good arguments.
That poster is obvious he posts in every Horizon thread saying something to that effect, but there are others who really shouldn't be getting quoted like 10 times.
onemanasylum
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This isn't quantum break, everything we know about people who played the game and impressions, this game is going to do very, very well. There were numerous middling previews for QB. It still ended u reviewing well.
This thread is a disaster lol.
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