They're taking notes from the Ultimate Universe version of the FF, where that's what happens. It's also where they got the electrical powers from the first movie. Apparently no one told them that Ultimate Fantastic Four is garbage and they need to be aping more from Hickman and the 616 version.
First reviews for Trank's Fantastic Four hit.
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They're taking notes from the Ultimate Universe version of the FF, where that's what happens. It's also where they got the electrical powers from the first movie. Apparently no one told them that Ultimate Fantastic Four is garbage and they need to be aping more from Hickman and the 616 version.
More_Badass
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Actually I think this is why the MCU would really make it easier for classic Doom to achieve onscreen
As a standalone movie, I guess it might seem kind of out there and weird
In a universe where talking raccoons, alien deities, etc, exist, a powerful egotistic dictator like Doom fits right in
I never followed the Ultimate universe. All I knew was the Green Goblin was literally some kind of monster goblin or something, that was enough to tell me I needed to know no more.
OG Doom is all I need.
They could do it, it would just be a matter of getting the setting and tone right.
You don't want to know what they did to Ultimate Doom. It's pure garbage.
Ultimate FF was pure garbage. What they did to Doom was a crime against humanity. Only Ultimate Spidey is worth saving, the rest of it needs to be burned and forgotten for all time.
They fuck up Doom's motivations. In the comics he's more of a "I need to break my mom out of hell and save the world by taking it over and I'm the only guy who can do it so screw everyone else, especially YOU, Reed," type of guy. In the first movie they stole Green Goblin's story from Spider-Man 1 minus the serum-induced insanity. Rise of the Silver Surfer did an okay job for the first 15 seconds of screentime. This movie just went with "you're a weird looking businessman so go get revenge."
More_Badass
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Considering SLJ is Nick Fury and it looks like Tom Holland is definitely inspired by it due his hair style and everything, Ultimate Spidey will live on
I'm especially excited to see the Fury-Parker interactions, that was one of the coolest parts of Ultimate Spiderman
This I don't mind, I wish we'd get a grown-ass man Spidey already but this is still fine. They need to do 616 FF though, it's the only version of the FF worth a damn.
Because of his feets? Come on.
And the first two Ultimate Runs were great.
Zeyphersan
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Another thread trashing the Ultimate universe? Now that's something I can get behind
It was Hickman's creation so of course. Why do they lack the common sense to hire him to write the FF movies?
Gentle Rodriguez
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Ultimate Spider-Man was awesome, I will accept zero hate for it, I really liked Green Goblin in it.
Doom's armor has always been ironman style
Except when he made his suit out of flesh, but we don't talk about that
Sir_Crocodile
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A dictator with science, magic & a robot army at his beck and call? You just play it straight. It's been done before, and well (though the movie itself was weighed down by other factors).
Glass Rebel
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Mandatory post asking for a Books of Doom movie.
CaviarMeths
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We'll never know the full truth, but in light of what reports surfaced in the months following release, I think it went more like this:
- Josh Trank is an abusive hack
- Josh Trank had no clear vision and was shooting a genuinely shitty movie with a shitty script
- Fox fired him and tried to fix the movie in post-production
- It didn't work
- Everybody cried
TheSecondSpitter
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Quite literally -- by giving Doom goat's legs.
Jorok Goldblade
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Sony gave us Spectacular Spider-Man, so it's not like they didn't have people on their payroll who could do Spidey right.
Seems to me neither of the things they wanted were any good as far as a FF adaptation goes.
No, but what Trank wanted would at least be a complete movie.
Spikematic
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I saw this recently on a plane ride. Or well, half of it before the plane had to (thankfully) land. And I actually have a high level of tolerance for bad super hero movies even. What a complete shitfest this was. Oh Doom what did they do to you? Never thought I'd find myself appreciating the Nip/Tuck guy playing Doom...
Yes, he is insanely hard to do. I'm not even sure if it can be done well as outlined in the comics.
The issue comic book fans fail to realise about Doom is that to people who don't read comic books, he looks utterly ridiculous, and his entire concept doesn't work.
Evil enemies dressed in black from outer space? Sure, that's believable.
But a guy in a green cape with metal armour, ruling a country with an army of robots and magic, that no-ones ever heard of? That doesn't make sense at all. Bringing something in from outer space? Sure, works okay. Heroes who hide their identities and powers by day? Yep, that works. But a guy who literally runs an already existing country whilst wearing power is too jarring, it doesn't fit the precepts of any of the comic book universes except maybe the X-Men.
I think if they were to make Doom work in a film, he isn't going to resemble the comic book Doom very much at all.
They had a Doom that didn't resemble the comic book Doom at all in this film. He was ten times more ridiculous to audiences than the comic book Doom.
Again, audiences accept talking gun toting raccoon in the same universe with Kilgrave. A melodramatic dictator with a mask is not out there.
Your whole argument is invalid in a this post rocket raccoon and Antman man world.
Exactly. Avengers 2 established that not even Banner or Stark heard of Wakanda.
Edit: You meant the audience, right?
based on what we know he couldn't even put that movie together, so whats the difference
Zeyphersan
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Keep that incest to yourself
If the MCU introduces Doom, we need this scene.
Iron Man: Latveria.,.
Captain America: Hydra tried to conquer it in the 40s.
Banner: Latter Day Fairy Ah?
Thor: What happened?
Iron Man: Doom.
Captain America: He said he was FTP the future, yelled something about Reed Richards, then killed every Hydra member. Then he walked on water. Backwards.
Iron Man: Latveria.,.
Captain America: Hydra tried to conquer it in the 40s.
Banner: Latter Day Fairy Ah?
Thor: What happened?
Iron Man: Doom.
Captain America: He said he was FTP the future, yelled something about Reed Richards, then killed every Hydra member. Then he walked on water. Backwards.
How about the cannibalism?
trikster40
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Finally watched this last night, and now I understand all the reviews. It was like 85 minutes of buildup to 15 minutes of doom. He looked dumb, but at least the casting was better this time around. I would like to see Trank's cut to see what fox took out.
I saw this last night and there were so many boneheaded decisions they made in this film
- "Earth to Richards" is one the first lines
- Reed's classmates make fun of him by coughing "beam me up Scotty"
- "It's clobbering time" is a line that Ben's abusive older brother says before he hits him
- Reed's teleportation device is powered by N64s
- "Hm, we have to subtly convey to the audience that this Victor Von Doom guy is an intelligent, but aloof person. But how could we possibly do this?"
"Well sir, we could have him listening to Beethoven."
"Johnson, you're a genius!"
- The only mention of the name "Dr. Doom" is a sarcastic snipe by Sue
- "Hm, we have to subtly convey to the audience that this Johnny Storm character is a hothead with little regard for the rules. But how could we possibly do that?"
"Well sir, we could have him participate in street racing."
"My god, somebody give Johnson a promotion!"
- "Ethanol kills brain cells" shut your fucking mouth, Reed, nobody talks like that
- A two minute conversation about pattern recognition and Captain Nemo early in the movie is foreshadowing for a pivotal moment later
- Reed's costume has slinkies on it
- Doom's power is the ability to microwave people and he looks like an Easter Island head
- The Thing doesn't wear pants so I keep expecting a rocky orange penis
- The ending is straight ripped from Avengers 2
- "Earth to Richards" is one the first lines
- Reed's classmates make fun of him by coughing "beam me up Scotty"
- "It's clobbering time" is a line that Ben's abusive older brother says before he hits him
- Reed's teleportation device is powered by N64s
- "Hm, we have to subtly convey to the audience that this Victor Von Doom guy is an intelligent, but aloof person. But how could we possibly do this?"
"Well sir, we could have him listening to Beethoven."
"Johnson, you're a genius!"
- The only mention of the name "Dr. Doom" is a sarcastic snipe by Sue
- "Hm, we have to subtly convey to the audience that this Johnny Storm character is a hothead with little regard for the rules. But how could we possibly do that?"
"Well sir, we could have him participate in street racing."
"My god, somebody give Johnson a promotion!"
- "Ethanol kills brain cells" shut your fucking mouth, Reed, nobody talks like that
- A two minute conversation about pattern recognition and Captain Nemo early in the movie is foreshadowing for a pivotal moment later
- Reed's costume has slinkies on it
- Doom's power is the ability to microwave people and he looks like an Easter Island head
- The Thing doesn't wear pants so I keep expecting a rocky orange penis
- The ending is straight ripped from Avengers 2
Still cant over it that they dared it to do this. Alone for this they deserved the failure.
A dictator with science, magic & a robot army at his beck and call? You just play it straight. It's been done before, and well (though the movie itself was weighed down by other factors).
Lol, Frank Langella was not fucking around in this movie. Only saw it recently, and his performance alone almost elevated the whole movie. Almost.
Union Carbine
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I think comic book Doom could be done. Dystopian, Orwellian nation ruled by a disfigured knight in powered armor-- Red Skull + Anti-Iron-Man-- play it straight up.
Grinchy
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I actually liked the first 3/4 of this movie. The buildup was working for a while until the whole movie fell apart. It was also just really obvious that it had a lot of behind the scenes problems.
I don't have any personal stake in how the characters are portrayed, though. Maybe that's why I could stomach some of the movie.
I don't have any personal stake in how the characters are portrayed, though. Maybe that's why I could stomach some of the movie.
Actually Latveria is pretty nice, Doom does treat his folks good.
Latveria is Marvel Singapore.
Doom is incredibly hard to write well if you're going for a "serious" villain, because Doom is inherently comedic. He's a dork in a Medieval looking suit of armor that speaks in the third person, owns a vaguely European nation, has a massive ego, and also built an army of robots that look just like him. On top of all that, he's a guy that named himself "Dr. Doom", so having absolutely no self-awareness must be part of his character.
If you were to make more of an action-comedy film for the F4 and have Doom be the villain in the same fashion Loki was, then you could have a great depiction of him, but any attempt to make Doom "serious" will most likely fail miserably.
darkhunger
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That's why a retro, 1960s camp take on the FF would have been the best bet. Peyton Reed was onto something there.
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