First reviews for Trank's Fantastic Four hit.
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torre_avenue
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Wait this is really damn confusing. It says Constantin owns the rights to the film, and the recent remake was independently produced by Constantin instead of being a co-production with Fox and Marvel like the previous two. And even weirder than that some articles state that the rights for X-Men TV shows always lay with Fox, though for the longest time I remember reading stories about how Marvel Studios had those rights. So, if Constantin had the production rights, it would mean that Fox merely financed the films. So, because FF failed, wouldn't this just mean that Fox would no longer finance the films? And that Constantin would have to make a deal with Marvel and Fox to make a contract with Marvel and get out of Fox's old contract. Does the contract signed before grant exclusive distribution rights to an FF movie? This shit is so confusing. I wish an actual lawyer could finally resolve this situation.
What did he mean by this?
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Didn't Marvel make a deal with Fox for X-Men tv shows, could this be related?
More_Badass
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Were the future Amazing Spider-Man movies announced as cancelled before or after Marvel revealed that Spidey was joining the MCU?
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Some details of the X-men contract are public because Fox sued Marvel over the "Mutant X" TV show. The live-action TV rights are with Marvel, but Fox always had the right to stop production (basically it means Fox needs to consent, which practically means that they need buy out Fox or produce with Fox).
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1136021.html#sthash.uJRqQRLw.dpuf
In October 1993, Marvel and Fox signed an agreement (the “1993 Agreement”pursuant to which Marvel licensed to Fox all the rights that Fox may require in order to produce, distribute, exploit, advertise, promote, and publicize theatrical motion pictures based on the “X-Men” comic book series.   The “X-Men” comic book series, referred to in the Agreement as the “Property,” includes the X-Men Characters, specifically the “core” Characters and the Characters of the “X-Universe”;  their origin stories;  storylines from individual comic books;  and “all other elements relating to the Property and the Characters.”   The rights granted to Fox included “the right to use the title (or subtitle or portion of the title) of the Property or any component of the Property as the title of any Picture or related exploitation.”   The Agreement reserved all television rights to Marvel, subject to a proviso, critical to Fox's pending contract claim, that Marvel would not “produce, distribute or exploit or authorize the production, distribution or exploitation of any live-action motion picture” without Fox's consent (the “Freeze”
Constantin bought the Fantastic Four rights initially, and we do not know what deals they have made with Fox to assign those rights to Fox, but it always seems like Fox is intimately involved with the rights.
Ultron knows what's up. Time to take the cosmic MCU to a whole new level baby
http://collider.com/daredevil-season-2-drew-goddard-says-hes-involved-talks-marvel-movies/
The Sinister Six film has been scrapped according to Drew Goddard.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Interesting.
I'll see how good the next few Marvel films are before tripping over myself in excitement if this has any rights shenanigans attached to it.
I'll see how good the next few Marvel films are before tripping over myself in excitement if this has any rights shenanigans attached to it.
torre_avenue
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So, that would make any TV show sold a Fox and Marvel Studios co-production. And since Fox and Marvel have had bad blood over the X-Men rights, FF erasures, and potential X-Men exile, it wouldn't make sense for both of them to agree to make the FX show and the Fox show in development unless an agreement was made that benefited both of them. So, Fox gave something up to Marvel and we, the general public, have no idea what it is. It could be the FF rights, X-Men royalties, or something else entirely.
That makes a lot more sense.
Honestly, the one thing that always makes sense...money
Marvel gets more of their brands on TV without lifting a finger or spending a dime, and still makes money.
PhoncipleBone
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Doctor Ironic
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At the same time as.
Ridiculous. Of course it's filmable. The Incredibles proves it's possible to make a great FF movie.
The problem is with Fox, not the property.
My guess is Gambit moves into Wolverine 3's March slot, and then Wolverine moves into the now vacant June release date.
Yeah
Was discussing with a friend earlier since... Gambit still has no director and is out in just about a year.
Makes sense... gives em time to really think about FF for 2018.
Also, I imagine MBJ may be getting busy after rave reviews from Creed and Miles Teller has some klout.
Of course it can be done. They can even skip right over the origin story, just do like an old video reel type thing during the opening credits and get straight to the story. The FF is one of those more timeless properties because a family story is always going to be relevant, it's just a matter of realizing where the focus needs to be. Fox fucked that up three different times now. These guys aren't Spider-man or the Avengers, they're the Incredibles.
torre_avenue
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I suppose. But for a company on as big of a win streak as Marvel, I don't believe money would be the reason they decide to help Fox now when they've been hindering them this whole time. I hope its the film rights, but that's just wishful nerd thinking. And I don't think we'll know unless Feige elaborates on it during the Civil War press junket or until he announces the Phase 4 slate in 2017-2018.
Doug Liman is all but confirmed to be doing Gambit no? And it starts shooting in the spring.
Incredible a is a comedy that leans heavily on being a parody of the Fantastic Four...
Of course a tongue in cheek satire or comedy would work. I'm talking about something compatible with the rest of the universe. Even Ant Man, Thor and Guardians work better on paper and in execution. Trank attempted to change it but he was still stuck with Mr. F and I. Girl.
It's a tricky proposition.
PhoncipleBone
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Probably the best way to describe the situation.
More_Badass
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Just do Interstellar with superpowers. Make it a story of exploring where no one has gone before (unknown space or cross-dimensional), and only the F4 can embark on these expeditions due to the advantages of their intellect and powers.
Give us crazy visuals and amazing worlds that would look gorgeous on IMAX.
F4 would work best as explorers and scientists instead of trying to do your basic "hero team vs villain" plot. It doesnt have to be a "superhero" movie.
The whole emotional center of the FF is the family dynamic, ignoring that is asking for failure. You start with the family dynamic and build out from there. That's where it's similar to the Incredibles.
Something like this would work great.
More_Badass
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Seriously, what better way to introduce the crazier side of Cosmic Marvel than just sending them out there?
I'd imagine stuff like Black Science but with F4 could be awesome on-screen
To add to the confusion, Constatine released all Iron Man movies in germany.
Scorpion Soldier
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That was just distribution though, that's something the pre-Disney MCU movies went through. IM1 was distributed by Warner Bros in France as well for example.
Production rights are more confusing though, which is what Fantastic Four falls under.
Well I saw it.
It sucked.
Felt like two different movies mashed together. Entire second act was missing, as was half the third. The first act lasts over half the movie for some reason, it was clearly meant to be the first act of a way longer film. There's at least 45 minutes missing from the film. Nothing happens in the rest of it.
Doom isn't Doom. He's some guy. He sticks his hand into a glowing green lake on an alien planet because he's a moron.
I've already forgotten the Fantastic Four themselves, was Sue Storm even in this? Reed Richards is about 12. They modelled a rock ass crack for the Thing. Johnny Storm drove in from a different movie. The guy from The Wire actually did his best to give a good performance, props to him for trying. Nobody seemed to want a movie about the Fantastic Four, or superheroes.
Fire this movie into the Sun.
It sucked.
Felt like two different movies mashed together. Entire second act was missing, as was half the third. The first act lasts over half the movie for some reason, it was clearly meant to be the first act of a way longer film. There's at least 45 minutes missing from the film. Nothing happens in the rest of it.
Doom isn't Doom. He's some guy. He sticks his hand into a glowing green lake on an alien planet because he's a moron.
I've already forgotten the Fantastic Four themselves, was Sue Storm even in this? Reed Richards is about 12. They modelled a rock ass crack for the Thing. Johnny Storm drove in from a different movie. The guy from The Wire actually did his best to give a good performance, props to him for trying. Nobody seemed to want a movie about the Fantastic Four, or superheroes.
Fire this movie into the Sun.
I'm telling you, make the Fantastic Four supporting cast in Spiderman.
ginger ninja
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Thank you for the bump. Oh man what a fucking load of crap this was. I thought people may have been harsher but what the hell, movie feels like a bunch of fan fiction stitched together that might have looked cool separately. How hard it is to make a half decent comic flick in this day and age...Go fuck yourself fox :/
How do you take a reboot of a series that fucked up Doom, then fuck him up ten times worse to the point that your first attempt looks like the most accurate adaptation imaginable?
The most accurate film Doom is the one from the Roger Corman film literally made to keep the rights and never released. How did that happen?
For god's sake Doctor Doom is not that hard to adapt. Just make him Doctor Doom.
The most accurate film Doom is the one from the Roger Corman film literally made to keep the rights and never released. How did that happen?
For god's sake Doctor Doom is not that hard to adapt. Just make him Doctor Doom.
I will never fail to be fascinated at this seeming cinematic obsession with failing at depicting Doom.
I mean, is he really that hard to do? Is the language of cinema so discerning a tapestry that a thread bearing a dude in a green cape and metal mask cannot be woven in somewhere in the friggin' margins?
The Broken Ska Record
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I think it's a bit of overcompensation. Like, how do you do a dictator like Doom? He deals with science and magic and has an army of robots that almost look like him while he lords over an entire country.
It's like they think people will be embarrassed by it. Like him looking like a crash test dummy isn't embarrassing.
With the MCU going full throttle on film and TV with totally ridiculous concepts played straight. With Arrow or The Flash going all out on hardcore comic book stuff (fuckin Rainbow Raider was used AND NAMED "Rainbow Raider" on screen). They act ashamed of a totally comic book comic book villain.
A egocentric dictator with a cape and a metal mask is not exactly out there with talking gorillas, gun toting raccoons, glowing stones that control the universe, and GIANT SHARK MEN all being out there on film and TV right now.
This movie felt like it was from 2005 or something (which is actually when the first adaptation was from, and here I thought that one was inaccurate, turns out it was downright faithful in comparison), a movie ashamed to be a comic book film.
Doom is literally the easiest thing in the whole world. The character is already fully realized. This isn't like Iron Man or Cap or Superman where the bad guys need a little bit of work to make them usable, Doom is fine the way he is. The whole point of Doom is that he's better than anyone, well anyone other than the accursed RICHAAAAAAARRRRDDDDDSSSSSS!!
More_Badass
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What's the likelihood that when/if Marvel gets Doom back, they'll make his metal mask and suit more like Iron Man-style power armor?
Because at least IMO, that's the only way to make it work in the modern, relatively grounded (compared to the comics) MCU setting
Because at least IMO, that's the only way to make it work in the modern, relatively grounded (compared to the comics) MCU setting
Didn't this already sort of happen in the comics? I remember one of Bendis's New Avengers books basically saying this was the case.
The Broken Ska Record
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I think that's the problem. They try to humanize him too much because they are afraid that if they do proper Doom, people will laugh at it.
We're supposed to laugh a little at Doom though. He's a totally ridiculous character held together by pure swag and the fact that he don't give a fuck. So long as they get the right actor it'll work, they just have no faith.
I guarantee if Marvel gets him back, his costume will look nearly exactly like it does in the comics. Hell, in the second FF film with Silver Surfer in it, they changed Doom's costume to look nearly exactly as it does in the comic (to my recollection anyway, haven't seen it since 2007) and it looked totally fine.
They probably will have him get his "powers" from a suit like that, which is totally ok. I don't know why both FF adaptations have had Doom get superpowers alongside the Fantastic Four.
If you can't do a totally hammy, melodramatic villain like Doom in a comic book film, where can you do him?
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