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[Violet_0]

didn't they just start executing their own people, primarily foreigners that came to Iraq to fight for them? (According to a newspaper article I read today, anyhow)
I guess they'll see a drop in the number of new recruits from other countries in the foreseeable future

 

[m_shortpants]

So he seems to think that they're fairly unislamic. No surprise there to 99% of Muslims worldwide.

While I don't think they present any threat at all to the western world, I think we should proceed with caution to work against then somehow.

 

[Maninthemirror]

didn't they just start executing their own people, primarily foreigners came to Iraq to fight for them? (According to a newspaper article I read today, anyhow)
I guess they'll see a drop in the number of new recruits from other countries in the forseeeable future

they have executed 100s while 100s more just want to go back home because they didnt sign up for this but they cant or else they think they will be executed if they try. Dont be surprised if this is like only 10,000 who actually believe their crap but the rest are just following orders and want to go home now.

 

[sonicmj1]

Can someone help me with this?

The Sunnis in Mosul prefer IS to the Maliki government, particularly because IS provides better policing (draconian though it may be) and better social services. They see the former government as oppressive and discriminatory.

People who aren't Sunni in Mosul have either fled or been killed.

 

[JohnDoe]

Who was phone?

 

[xenist]

The day I actually fear these fucking gnats is the day I kill myself and rid the world of my pitiable existense.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

2.) THE FLOW OF NEW CONTENDER FOR IS GROWING EVERY DAY. I spent two days in a receiving warehouse IS near the Turkish border. On both days, each time more than 50 fighters from around the world came to. Not just young men who had failed in their home countries. Many successful, euphoric tuned young people from the USA, England, Sweden, Russia, France, Germany, etc.

Fedora-wearing foreign militants confirmed.

 

[Ogimachi]

they have executed 100s while 100s more just want to go back home because they didnt sign up for this but they cant or else they think they will be executed if they try. Dont be surprised if this is like only 10,000 who actually believe their crap but the rest are just following orders and want to go home now.

You're right, we should actually feel sorry for these poor souls.... so reluctantly slaughtering civilians, beheading and torturing prisoners, enslaving women, killing children, crucifying christians and butchering pagans.

How could they've known this was coming, right? They're just following orders, they want to go home now :'(

 

[jackal27]

Not necessarily. If you resist, they'll behead/torture/crucify/ you like they're doing in Syria.
The dislike is due to their hate towards polytheism, which is the absolute worst sin in islam.

Exactly. And what happens when one day they decide that the doctrine of The Trinity sounds too polytheistic for them? Whoops.

 

[Maninthemirror]

You're right, we should actually feel sorry for these poor souls.... so reluctantly slaughtering civilians, beheading and torturing prisoners, enslaving women, killing children, crucifying christians and butchering pagans.

How could they've known this was coming, right? They're just following orders, they want to go home now :'(

they go home they will be put in jail for life or executed and if they leave they will be executed. There is no out for them. it was their choice. I for one think, if they really want to get out. why not get close to the leadership and massacre them from within, this way they go out guns blazing killing terror leadership

 

[Foffy]

Why? Three religious groups are perfectly fine.

One is already too much, for most religions unconsciously promote division and conflict. ISIS is what happens when ego projection goes the whole way.

“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.”
― Jiddu Krishnamurti

 

[wildfire]

Let's see them take on an army from a first world country, then we'll see how tough they can talk.

A lot of individual first world countries are not stronger than Israel, Iran or Turkey. Don't kid yourself.

Can someone help me with this?

The whole article needs a proper translation. The gist of it is that ISIS is very small in size, registering in the tens of thousands. The general millions of non-combatants are made up of Sunni Muslims.


Think of Islam broken down into different sects like Protestants and Lutherans. Countries like Iran, Iraq are dominated by Shia muslims. ISIS greatest supporters are from the Sunnis. They are largely happy with ISIS because they can govern themselves without interference from the other religious sects.


Now keep in mind that while in the case of Iraq the Sunnis are a minority (a minority that was favored by Saddam), the Sunnis as a whole represent the majority portion of the middle east Muslims.

Fedora-wearing foreign militants confirmed.

Do you just like making dumb jokes regularly?

 

[ICKE]

You're right, we should actually feel sorry for these poor souls.... so reluctantly slaughtering civilians, beheading and torturing prisoners, enslaving women, killing children, crucifying christians and butchering pagans.

How could they've known this was coming, right? They're just following orders, they want to go home now :'(

It's not always so simple. Sometimes you have a bunch of young people in European countries listening to their local Imam and recruiters who tell them tales of victory. When they finally arrive and find out that the entire region is an absolute hellhole, suddenly a mundane existence in a western society does not seem so bad anymore. Not that you should feel sorry for these people as they have failed to take advantage of all the possibilities that our society offers and opt for madness instead.

 

[Ogimachi]

Exactly. And what happens when one day they decide that the doctrine of The Trinity sounds too polytheistic for them? Whoops.

They already do, but "people of the book" sometimes get special treatment. As in, they can pay the jizya or suffer the same fate.

they go home they will be put in jail for life or executed and if they leave they will be executed. There is no out for them. it was their choice. I for one think, if they really want to get out. why not get close to the leadership and massacre them from within, this way they go out guns blazing killing terror leadership

You're the worst kind of apologist. You pretend they're victims of their own organization and beliefs.
There's absolutely no difference between what you said and saying nazis "didn't sign up for the holocaust/mass murder of civilians/prisoners", "just wanted to go home", "couldn't desert", "kept going because they could've killed Hitler".

 

[Baki]

So much for the argument that these people are fighting for Islam




Who is left? 30.000 people in the world as per their wishes? wtf

Also isnt it contradictory for them to say Kill all Disbelievers then say Jews and Christians can live as long as they pay our taxes. wtf

Oh wait, they also say Moderate Muslims are on a level lower than Christians and Jews so IS Islam, Christians and Jews can live but moderate muslims should die..WTFFFF

Moderate Muslims are a threat to their ideology.

 

[Always-honest]

Damn, scary stuff.

 

[Maninthemirror]

They already do, but "people of the book" sometimes get special treatment.


You're the worst kind of apologist. You pretend they're victims of their own organization and beliefs.
There's absolutely no difference between what you said and saying nazis "didn't sign up for the holocaust/mass murder of civilians/prisoners", "just wanted to go home", "kept going because they could've killed Hitler".

wow you actually think I am an ISIS apologists?

everyone here. Did I say anything that makes me an ISIS apologists apart from the fact that I am a Muslim and he wants to connect dots which dont exist?

Dude, I am an Ahmadi Muslim. Look us up and see what Radicals have done to people in my faith then come back to me and say I am an apologists. wtf


Who said they are victims? Did I or Did I not say "IT WAS THEIR CHOICE" and they are suffering the consequence? What the hell

 

[-COOLIO-]

The day I actually fear these fucking gnats is the day I kill myself and rid the world of my pitiable existense.

That is a pretty badass statement. Are these you're own words?

 

[RustyNails]

These loons are pretty much our time's Nazis. It's only a matter of time these fuckheads start concentration camps.

 

[Maninthemirror]

These loons are pretty much our time's Nazis. It's only a matter of time these fuckheads start concentration camps.

isn't their entire controlled area concentration camps?

 

[Casimir]

I'm a Christian, so i'll survive then!? .... or should say, all I have to pay is taxes? Easy, I do that out the ass already. What's with the dislike with Hindu's and other non-book type religions?

Everyone pays taxes, Jews and Christians pay a lower rate. I am sure that they are happier when the Christians decided to leave the area instead however.

isn't their entire controlled area concentration camps?

More like the early days where Nazi's would simply eliminate the offending populations on site as they captured each town and village.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

Nuclear tsunami? Rough translation probably, but still as I doubt it. They definitely don't just talk bullshit like North Korea, but I doubt they are that much of a threat yet. Access to long range missiles them we can consider them a high level that.

But still... they're probably planning some terrorist shit on western countries and that scares the shit outta me.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

I'm all for not underestimating IS but some of these journalists write about them like they've just met a bunch of fucking movie stars or some incredibly advanced modern military. Their propagandist chest-thumping about invading Europe is delusional at best. They have captured largely defenseless areas of two unstable and vulnerable countries. Let's keep things in perspective and stop treating them like some legitimate global power.

 

[Maninthemirror]

I'm all for not underestimating IS but some of these journalists write about them like they've just met a bunch of fucking movie stars or some incredibly advanced modern military. Their propagandist chest-thumping about invading Europe is delusional at best. They have captured largely defenseless areas of two unstable and vulnerable countries. Let's keep things in perspective and stop treating them like some legitimate global power.

its delusional thinking that they are competent. realistically they are not more than a bunch of testosterone immature people acting like adults giving impression they are important when on the realms of historical important they are nothing. I have said this again and repeatedly before all that needs to happen is that they face an actual (even barely competent) military in battle and they will get their ass handed to them so badly they will beg to go back to europe saying "Mama, help me" before they get rolled over by the military

 

[XT Vengeance]

they have executed 100s while 100s more just want to go back home because they didnt sign up for this but they cant or else they think they will be executed if they try. Dont be surprised if this is like only 10,000 who actually believe their crap but the rest are just following orders and want to go home now.

Following orders does not excuse atrocities committed. I believe the Nuremberg Trials set that precedent.

 

[Fritz]

Google translate makes him sound like a wacko. He is actually a well versed journalist and publicist and is well known in the middle east. He was extremely critical of the US campaigns under Bush jr.. His facebook pics in the link in the op are grafic.

Jürgen Todenhöfer

 

[acrid]

Huh, guess I'll be ok as a Christian. I can easily afford the few hundred a year they want to be left alone too. Woohoo!

 

[Gambit 1138]

that guy's writing gives me a fucking headache. He should also learn some grammar skills.

 

[Prophet Steve]

that guy's writing gives me a fucking headache. He should also learn some grammar skills.

Assuming you didn't read the original Facebook post, you should learn some reading skills.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

This is some Nazy-type shit. Holy fuck!!!

True. They really are the Nazis of our times. I honestly see no difference. They might even be worse.

 

[Casimir]

Huh, guess I'll be ok as a Christian. I can easily afford the few hundred a year they want to be left alone too. Woohoo!

There are rules of conduct you have to follow. I wouldn't expect them to be lenient if you run afoul of them.

 

[rambis]

I'm all for not underestimating IS but some of these journalists write about them like they've just met a bunch of fucking movie stars or some incredibly advanced modern military. Their propagandist chest-thumping about invading Europe is delusional at best. They have captured largely defenseless areas of two unstable and vulnerable countries. Let's keep things in perspective and stop treating them like some legitimate global power.

I think talking up their capability is beneficial. They won't ever be able to make any territory grabs out west but the more they instill fear into westerners the quicker the response will come. I don't think the middle eastern countries are willing to fully commit to defeating them alone.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

If only there was a counter to IS like a crusade.

 

[Renzoku]

I fully advocate removing these people from the face of the earth with fire and explosions.

 

[Maninthemirror]

If only there was a counter to IS like a crusade.

there already is, they are called the Peshmerga

 

[Eternal Gamer]

If only there was a counter to IS like a crusade.

Why? right now IS is a muslim's problem, the west shouldn't do the homework of Iran, they are even more a problem to Russia than Europe.

 

[kmax]

Also, all moderate Muslims who affirm democracy should be killed. Because they are so from the perspective of IS provide human laws above the laws of God. This is true - after a successful conquest - even for the democratically-minded Muslims in the Western world.

The only chance for these 'infidels', to escape death, consists in voluntary repentance and voluntary conversion to 'true Islam'. The supposedly only the IS represents

 

[acrid]

There are rules of conduct you have to follow. I wouldn't expect them to be lenient if you run afoul of them.

Very true

 

[Eternal Gamer]

And by the way the Peshmerga aren't a counter, they were stomped by IS until US began the bombardments.

 

[Maninthemirror]

didn't read that, wow. there it is indeed.

 

[liger05]

IS won't grow from its current size, they have Iran to the east, Turkey to the north, Hezbollah to the west, Israel to the southwest and Saudi Arabia at south. The only way to grow is to the north, to the Caucasus but they have found a roadblock in the kurds. They will be contained in the extension of territory they control at present.

You seem to be forgetting IS in Libya, Nigeria and Yemen. The aim isn't just to expand from the territories in the Middle East but to get bayah from those already in the Magrib, Caucasus etc etc.

And by the way the Peshmerga aren't a counter, they were stomped by IS until US began the bombardments.

Yep and even with the airstrikes they are still taking heavy losses. They still haven't took Sinjar. Same with the Iraqi army who took Baiji after weeks of preparation and Air support. IS have now taken it back in 1 week.

 

[not_so_special]

http://pando.com/2014/11/10/the-war-nerd-farewell-islamic-state-we-hardly-knew-ye/

the real proportions of isis as a army are really exagerated

And by the way the Peshmerga aren't a counter, they were stomped by IS until US began the bombardments.

http://pando.com/2014/10/16/the-war...islamic-states-retreat-from-kobane-except-me/

http://pando.com/2014/10/31/the-war-nerd-crunching-numbers-on-kobane/

 

[Maninthemirror]

And by the way the Peshmerga aren't a counter, they were stomped by IS until US began the bombardments.

as a ground force they are the perfect counter. all they needed were weapons which they are now getting

You seem to be forgetting IS in Libya, Nigeria and Yemen. The aim isn't just to expand from the territories in the Middle East but to get bayah from those already in the Magrib, Caucasus etc etc.

Oh I want them to try, because that will trigger an actual army to beat them to a pulp

 

[sonicmj1]

I'm all for not underestimating IS but some of these journalists write about them like they've just met a bunch of fucking movie stars or some incredibly advanced modern military. Their propagandist chest-thumping about invading Europe is delusional at best. They have captured largely defenseless areas of two unstable and vulnerable countries. Let's keep things in perspective and stop treating them like some legitimate global power.

Their successes so far draw recruits. Their power makes them attractive. It's naturally the thing they'd emphasize when meeting with any journalist.

 

[Aliquidmeri]

3.) THE 'ISLAMIC STATE' SEEMS - SO FAR AS I'M THE AFTER 10 DAYS MAY ASSESS - HOW TO OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE REGION AS A totalitarian STATE TO WORK. This is especially true in the area of internal security and the social services sector - even if much does not meet our western and certainly not my idea. At least the Sunni population of Iraq's part of the 'Islamic State' seems the new state now resistance to accept. Because they prefer it to the previously prevailing discrimination and oppression by the Maliki regime in Baghdad. However, living in Mosul to escape all Christians, Shiites and Yazidis and countless executions only Sunnis.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic corner days rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Earth, proving 4 Days, Not 1Day,1Self,1Earth or 1God that exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- antipodes.

 

[Sulik2]

6.) WITH BOMBS AND MISSILES IS IS NOT TO DEFEAT. The three-million city of Mosul, for example, is dominated by about 5,000 IS-fighters. Who wants it off with bombs, must all put Mosul in ruins and kill tens of thousands of civilians. Bombings were and are always in the Middle East terrorist breeding programs. See IS! He too is a child of George W. Bush's Iraq war völkerrechtswidrigem.

As was proven in horrific war crimes way back in WWII, strategic bombing accomplishes nothing except make the victims fight harder. The US is breeding more supporters for IS with every bomb dropped. I'm glad this guy called this out.

 

[Sesuadra]

Be interesting to see a better translation but the nature of his access casts a pall on its accuracy.

->

(English translation) Will be up on the website www.juergentodenhoefer.de very soon.

 

[liger05]

as a ground force they are the perfect counter. all they needed were weapons which they are now getting



Oh I want them to try, because that will trigger an actual army to beat them to a pulp

Which army? The Nigerian army can't even contain Boko Haram. No Arab army will fight IS and even if they did they will give up as soon as the going gets tough.

There is a reason the Saudis with all the weaponry they love buying don't fight. Numbers mean nothing when you have soldiers who don't want to fight.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Which army? The Nigerian army can't even contain Boko Haram. No Arab army will fight IS and even if they did they will give up as soon as the going gets tough.

There is a reason the Saudis with all the weaponry they love buying don't fight. Numbers mean nothing when you have soldiers who don't want to fight.

A turkish army or Iranian army in a full battle will destroy ISIS in an actual ground and air assault. realistically I don't think ISIS fighters stand a chance against half an invasion

oh and about Nigeria vs Boko Haram

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/11/economist-explains-10

The only way to defeat the insurgents is for Nigeria to do what it should have done long ago for other reasons: sort out its governance. Politicians should concentrate on building institutions, such as a fair-minded police force and a competent health care system, rather than filling their pockets in cooperation with criminals. Only then will the government be able to build a decent army and channel enough resources to the poor in the north-east. That is the way to defeat Boko Haram.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Do you just like making dumb jokes regularly?

Funny you should ask - yes. Yes I do.

While on the surface, the idea of avowed new atheist, his blonde curls and glasses coated in sand, the lapel of his polyester waistcoat and his battleworn fedora stained with powder residue as he runs from door to door engaging in vicious hand-to-hand street battles is an absurd one, I maintain that the archetype has many commonalities with your typical Is foreign fighter. For instance, he is young, invariably male, alienated from the society around him, has a bull-headed and uncompromising belief in the rightness of his opinions as well as the inevitability of victory and regards members of the female gender with some suspicion.

As a joke, it works on multiple levels, though it is, I admit, only tangentially related to the topic at hand. It was a throwaway comment that I'm honestly surprised anyone responded to, so thank you.