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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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CrankyJay

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15 pounds of pure muscle in 3 months... may be possible but I'd need to see the receipts *whitneyhouston.gif to believe that.

that's 7 kilograms of pure muscle... damn, I've never seen anyone in my circle of friends pull that off.

Most would be happy to reach 12 kilograms, (26 lbs) over 6 or 7 years...

Unless you're a genetic freak like Darth Wufei (no disrepect intended, but you're fucking amazing)
 

Mendrox

Member
Double your calorific intake, make 30-40% of your calories come from protein (follow the guideline of 1-1.5 grams of protein per lbs body weight).

Really? I never ate more than 2000kcal in my whole life before... that's like eating the whole day for me. With my height and weight I am heavier than most of my friends which have bulkier arms than me. I am taking about 110g of protein everyday (or more) so that should be alright right now, but I won't I get too fat if I eat more and only do p90x?
 

bjb

Banned
I agree. You can either start juicing going nuts like he does and hope for realistic results. Beyond that, 15 pounds in 3 months is pretty unreal, but it's the internet so you can lie about anything with little regard for backlash.
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
15 lbs of lean muscle in that short a time is suspect for someone that's even DYEL status.



I wish I could put on any significant amount of lean mass at this point. Diminishing returns is a bitch.
 

CrankyJay

Banned
Women squat videos to fitness-GAF is exactly how cat videos are to women.

We just can't stop with just one.

Pound for pound, these women can decimate most men at this exercise. And I find that really sexy.

I know! I'm addicted...such a fucking turn on.
 

bjb

Banned
I just hope one day in my lifetime members of fitGAF become GrowthHormoneGAF so we can see some comparison results versus their previous bests. Perhaps when everyone gets older. The discussions will be rich and the FBI will no doubt be monitoring the thread.
 
Really? I never ate more than 2000kcal in my whole life before... that's like eating the whole day for me. With my height and weight I am heavier than most of my friends which have bulkier arms than me. I am taking about 110g of protein everyday (or more) so that should be alright right now, but I won't I get too fat if I eat more and only do p90x?

Check out how much you need with the calorie intake calculator in the OP:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-to-estimate-maintenance-caloric-intake.html
 

Szu

Member
I just hope one day in my lifetime members of fitGAF become GrowthHormoneGAF so we can see some comparison results versus their previous bests. Perhaps when everyone gets older. The discussions will be rich and the FBI will no doubt be monitoring the thread.

Well, it be pretty obvious with a name like GrowthHormoneGAF. Something like OldPeopleMagicSauceGAF would be much better.

Yes, definitely better.
 

Wolfe

Member
Muscle+fat? Yes. Muscle? No.

I'm not trying to argue, just going by my own results, everyones body is different and will react differently/have different results to training. I personally have put on around 30 lbs since I started and I'm still sitting below 10% BF.

Again, this was in regards to a SS newbie, obviously not going to see that kind of growth on someone that has been doing this for a while.
 

cryptic

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What is this overhead squat and why should I do it as opposed to my high bar squat?
I'll google after I hear the broscience.

edit: nvm crossfit bullshit
 

Srsly

Banned
What is the deal with old people often doing super heavy lifts at the gym?
Putting us younglings to shame :(

It's possible to maintain most of you strength well into your 50s, then it starts going downhill, but you can still be quite strong compared to your average joe. There's an 80 year old who can bench over 300 lbs.
 
It's possible to maintain most of you strength well into your 50s, then it starts going downhill, but you can still be quite strong compared to your average joe. There's an 80 year old who can bench over 300 lbs.

Gotta lift more when you know that an 80 year old can beat you.
 
What is the deal with old people often doing super heavy lifts at the gym?
Putting us younglings to shame :(

The secret to old man strength seems to be get strong young, stay moderately active, and eat decently. My grandpa kept a large part of his arm strength for ages from depending on them for movement after his strokes.
 

Mully

Member
Anyone want to critic my 5/3/1 routine for me? I'm moving onto my fourth cycle next week and I really don't want to have an imbalance.

Wednesday
OHP (warmup and working sets)
BBB OHP
T-Rows 5X10
Incline Bench 5X10

Thursday
Deadlifts (warmup and working sets)
BBB DL
Lat Pulls 5X10
Shrugs 5X10
Leg Press 5X10

Saturday
Bench (warmup and working sets)
BBB Bench
BB Rows 5X10
Dips 5X8
DB Rows 5X10

Monday
Squats (warmup and working sets)
BBB Squats
Leg Curls 5X10
BB Curls 5X10
CG Bench Press 5X10
Pullups

HIIT on Tuesdays and Fridays.
 
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A More Normal Bird

Unconfirmed Member
WTF happened? I thought the whole bro science thing of eating at certain times and certain amount of meals was BS. But looking at Squiddy's post it seems to have taken off again. Has there been new scientific evidence to prove this stuff as true?

The whole 'certain amount of protein per meal, 6 meals a day thing' is BS, things such as fasting, carb backloading etc... are not. In many ways, they're the exact opposite of the paranoid belief that unless you were eating every hour and a half you would somehow enter a catabolic state.

What is this overhead squat and why should I do it as opposed to my high bar squat?
I'll google after I hear the broscience.

edit: nvm crossfit bullshit

Wow. I would love to blame crossfit for ruining the reputation of a great lift but it seems like you already had your mind made up before doing any reading.

You shouldn't replace any back squat with an overhead squat and you need to take the word of anyone who says you should with a large grain of salt in the future. Obviously you can't load it for training your legs as much as other squats, but that doesn't mean it's bullshit. This is a good primer on the lift, but you can also use it as a general assistance exercise for your upper back and spinal erectors, e.g. a few sets @ medium reps & weight after your main squat work sets.
 

Bruiserk

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What do you guys eat for good carbs in the morning? Right now I usually eat 3/4 eggs + 2 slices whole wheat bread for a total of 410-480 cals. I feel like I can replace the bread with something healthier. Some type of oats/oatmeal?

Completely out of the question. Stay away from that thing.

If you are scared of gettin pinned under the bar, bench in the power rack. You can set the safety pins so that they are high enough for you to set the bar if you fail your rep and you can squeeze out of the rack in a jiffy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCOo3RtKu1E

I tried this the other day and it worked out great. Was able to put up 135x6 for my last set, thanks for the recommendation.

Anyone want to critic my 5/3/1 routine for me? I'm moving onto my fourth cycle next week and I really don't want to have an imbalance.

Wednesday
OHP (warmup and working sets)
BBB OHP
T-Rows 5X10
Incline Bench 5X10

Other stuff...

noob question, what does BBB stand for an how is it different than your first OHP?
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
If I work out over the course of a month, is that enough time that I will see noticeable improvement? Not saying I'll be hulking out, but enough that I can see a difference?
 

sphinx

the piano man
Unless you're a genetic freak like Darth Wufei (no disrepect intended, but you're fucking amazing)

What Darth has achieved is indeed impressive but how do you know he got 15 pounds of pure muscle in 3 months? he's been on this for years and he wasn't a skinny rat when he started,
(if my memory serves me right, I think I once saw a before/after of him)

in any case, would be cool if Darth told us the feasbility of that. Immortal already said it's suspicious so that's that.

(by the way, respect to you, Immortal. Like Darth, I think you look great, you two have my fav physiques in fitnessGAF, the third guy would be MrThoughPants, XD)
 

cryptic

Member


Huh. I may have to include this now. Thanks for the video.

Oh, this blog I like put up a new article discussing the consequence of cutting for competition. The author discusses how it may induce metabolic shutdown and clarifies the inherent cortisol increase is a safeguard of sorts preventing your brain from starving during the hypocaloric process.
The overall take away I to drew from the article and the authors' conclusions is that unless you're competing and ending such a diet after a certain date, allowing a naturally higher calorie diet to resume after, you're putting your health at a risk.
Also, this article may or may not apply to someone on steroids as the data analyzed pertained to a supposed natural lifter.
So if you can't see your sixth ab but feel awesome, live life and feel awesome, worry more adding plates.

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/03/scientific-bb-contest-prep-coverage-six.html
 

Imm0rt4l

Member
If I work out over the course of a month, is that enough time that I will see noticeable improvement? Not saying I'll be hulking out, but enough that I can see a difference?

As far as size is concerned, It's entirely dependent on you. Weightlifting/bodybuilding is a very individual sport. If you have a high bodyfat percentage and you go balls to the wall for a month, then definitely yes you can see improvement. Even if you're really average, then you can see some noticeable change, but it's a matter of how hard you push, though don't expect the world. It may seem negligible to you, but someone else may see otherwise, and vice versa, this is geared towards leaning out though. You can't get substantially bigger in a month without exogenous hormones. If you're talking about numbers though, then fuck yea you can see improvements.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
As far as size is concerned, It's entirely dependent on you. Weightlifting/bodybuilding is a very individual sport. If you have a high bodyfat percentage and you go balls to the wall for a month, then definitely yes you can see improvement. Even if you're really average, then you can see some noticeable change, but it's a matter of how hard you push, though don't expect the world. It may seem negligible to you, but someone else may see otherwise, and vice versa, this is geared towards leaning out though. You can't get substantially bigger in a month without exogenous hormones. If you're talking about numbers though, then fuck yea you can see improvements.

I don't have a high body fat percentage. I'm actually quite skinny. :(
 

velociraptor

Junior Member
I like him but some of his answers to questions are full of shit.

He isn't providing misinformation but he isn't really giving any. He's the master of talking without making a point. Lots of synergy type stuff.

That being said, I love his workout advice/opinions. Just the general life stuff I find questionable.

I agree with you there.

Sometimes he says a lot without saying anything at all.
 

Wolfe

Member
What Darth has achieved is indeed impressive but how do you know he got 15 pounds of pure muscle in 3 months? he's been on this for years and he wasn't a skinny rat when he started,
(if my memory serves me right, I think I once saw a before/after of him)

in any case, would be cool if Darth told us the feasbility of that. Immortal already said it's suspicious so that's that.

(by the way, respect to you, Immortal. Like Darth, I think you look great, you two have my fav physiques in fitnessGAF, the third guy would be MrThoughPants, XD)

I think the feasibility comes down to newb gains, I think Darth was just used as an example because of his overall results.
 
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A More Normal Bird

Unconfirmed Member
noob question, what does BBB stand for an how is it different than your first OHP?

It's a rep scheme used in some 5/3/1 variations, not a different lift. 5x10 at 50-60% of your work weight.
 

bjb

Banned
Question: If you mix a bunch of powders in a pre-workout drink and then add a sweetner to it (say Crystal Light) does that affect the powders at all or concentration of them? Was just thinking this while making my juice.
 

Timedog

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If I work out over the course of a month, is that enough time that I will see noticeable improvement? Not saying I'll be hulking out, but enough that I can see a difference?

Depends on genetics, routine, and diet. Maybe yes, maybe no.
 

Cudder

Member
Question: If you mix a bunch of powders in a pre-workout drink and then add a sweetner to it (say Crystal Light) does that effect the powder at all or concentration?

Everywhere I've read said it doesn't (not sure about sweetener though), but whenever I mix in my creatine with my protein I just FEEL like it's not getting to my muscles at all because of how it's diluted. Even if the "science" said that it's fine to take that way, I'd still rather just take the 5g in my mouth directly and wash it down with a drink. Feels better.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Question: If you mix a bunch of powders in a pre-workout drink and then add a sweetner to it (say Crystal Light) does that effect the powders at all or concentration of them? Was just thinking this while making my juice.

Isn't it recommended to take creatine in juice?

I don't think it really matters. I take all my supplements in watered down juice because it neutralizes the chalky taste.
 

bjb

Banned
Aye, well I don't know about Chalky, but Citrulline Malate is so sour I can't stand it in just water. I typically mix it with Beta Alanine and Crystal Light.
 

SeanR1221

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Aye, well I don't know about Chalky, but Citrulline Malate is so sour I can't stand it in just water. I typically mix it with Beta Alanine and Crystal Light.

Ugh, I couldn't stand citrulline until I mixed it with orange juice.

First time I mixed it with my protein. Horrible idea. One time I mixed it with my coffee because I'm stupid.
 

Timedog

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Everywhere I've read said it doesn't (not sure about sweetener though), but whenever I mix in my creatine with my protein I just FEEL like it's not getting to my muscles at all because of how it's diluted. Even if the "science" said that it's fine to take that way, I'd still rather just take the 5g in my mouth directly and wash it down with a drink. Feels better.

I take supplements with food if possible and when applicable. Sometimes actual food contains other molecules that help with absorption of the given nutrient.

I take CLA with beef/chicken/eggs, because those things contain naturally occuring CLA. Our body is used to absorbing CLA with those nutrient profiles.

I take a multivitamin with a meal containing proteins, fats, and vegetables. Especially vegetables. Some of these vitamins are typically found in nature along with different cofactors and molecules that actually help with absorption.

I take creatine with juice or protein, as this has been shown to help absoption vs taking creatine by itself.

I take a fiber supplement by itself, but shortly before eating carbs, because fiber helps slow the absorption of sugars into the blood, which tames insulin response.

I take cinnamon and turmeric before eating a meal because it lowers blood triglycerides after eating.
 

velociraptor

Junior Member
Is there any good way of maximising muscle gains whilst minimising fat gain, or even promoting fat loss?

I've been training over of the past 5 weeks and honestly I don't think I've made particularly good progress.

Maybe I need to increase my calories. But I fear the fat gain.
 

grumble

Member
Is there any good way of maximising muscle gains whilst minimising fat gain, or even promoting fat loss?

I've been training over of the past 5 weeks and honestly I don't think I've made particularly good progress.

Maybe I need to increase my calories. But I fear the fat gain.

Building muscle and strength takes time. Have you progressed on your lifts? Personally I didn't see much difference in my appearance until I'd been training for 6-8 weeks, at which point I noticed half my pants were too tight (squats!). I was eating a caloric surplus at the time as well.
 

Cudder

Member
Is there any good way of maximising muscle gains whilst minimising fat gain, or even promoting fat loss?

I've been training over of the past 5 weeks and honestly I don't think I've made particularly good progress.

Maybe I need to increase my calories. But I fear the fat gain.

High protein, minimal fat.

Have you taken pictures from before you started training to compare? Taking pictures is the best way to see progress in yourself, imo.

If you haven't taken pictures yet, take them right now.
 

blackflag

Member
High protein, minimal fat.

Have you taken pictures from before you started training to compare? Taking pictures is the best way to see progress in yourself, imo.

If you haven't taken pictures yet, take them right now.


Fat doesn't cause you to get fat. It's necessary for hormones. You should get around .4-.5g per lb of body weight with more if you are going low carb. Unless you are getting your testosterone elsewhere.
 

SeanR1221

Member
Fat doesn't cause you to get fat. It's necessary for hormones. You should get around .4-.5g per lb of body weight with more if you are going low carb. Unless you are getting your testosterone elsewhere.

This. I tend to take in around 70-80g of fat a day from eggs and oils.
 
So if I see a massive guy at the gym that has bacne, is it possible that he's gotten it from a natural increase of testosterone through lifting/eating rather than steroids?

Then there are people who naturally get it regardless of training status.
 

Mully

Member
So if I see a massive guy at the gym that has bacne, is it possible that he's gotten it from a natural increase of testosterone through lifting/eating rather than steroids?

Then there are people who naturally get it regardless of training status.

I'm far from a "big guy", but since changing to 5/3/1, I've gotten a considerable amount of bacne.
 
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