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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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y2dvd

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If you're just starting out, and if you do your workouts properly, your body SHOULD be sore for days after a workout regardless. You're not going to tip-toe around it (unless you half-ass your workouts.)

I was also wondering if I should workout through the soreness from the previous workout.

No, what you need to do is push through the soreness. Being sore, especially for a beginner, does not mean you can't workout.

But I guess this answers the question! Maybe lower the weights so that I can complete the routine?

Anyways some friends I haven't seen in awhile said they noticed that I got a bit muscular. Definitely a confidence booster and it helps motivate me to keep this up.
 

Petrie

Banned
Yo, did you my post where I went thru the steps on how to edit your macros on MFP?

I saw that, then edited them. Much appreciated. Only thing that sucks is if you change your goald at all on the app, it goes back to their shitty default macros.

Thank you very much though!

What? He's completely right. Those comments reeked of condescending elitism and were absolutely rude. This is the reason why a lot of people will avoid this thread; to avoid comments like that from jerks.

The tone of this thread has always been one of playful ribbing and a bit of sarcasm. When you read the same misinformation constantly, you're going to make fun of it when it shows up again. None of it is meanspirited, even if occasionally someone takes it a bit too personally.



On that note my god did yesterday ruin my shit. 2 Krispy Kremes for breakfast, hot dogs for lunch, smoked bbq spare ribs later, turkey burgers,smoked salmon, EXTREME Ruffles, frozen peanut butter m and ms. All told I ate about 2300 calories more than the 1680 I'm shooting for on my cut, but it was a glorious day.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Well, I just injured my lower back, not sure how bad. I was deadlifting and I felt a shift, so immediately stopped and went on to do my biking. I should have known better since it felt a little off since weighted hyperextensions on monday. I think my form was off on the hyperextensions and this did it. Icing and NSAIDs right now to see how it is, but may have to lay off squats/deads for a week or two.

Ok, so that Craze shit works. This has to be what speed feels like, it's fucking nuts. I'm on a severe cut, and I went from feeling no energy to having insane energy today. Deadlifts till I hurt myself felt like warm up weight (even 405) I got on the bike and did 9.8 miles at 8 resistance in 30 minutes without a problem (the underside of the bike looked like a ocean).

This shit also turns you into a sweat bomb, it's fucking nuts. This shit has to be made illegal soon, there's no way this shit will remain on the market. It reminds of of ephedra back in the day.

I would recommend it to anyone who is on a very strict cut, but there's no way I would do this shit on a regular basis. It CANNOT be healthy.
 

MjFrancis

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I hope your back isn't messed up, Shogun. I bring forth the terror of a five year old girl with a skinned knee when even the slightest hint of true back pain rears its ugly head. I can only hope yours is fine and you continue to beast mode through training.

Also, Craze sounds intense. Given my renewed sensitivity to stimulants, I'd probably stay clear or take a very mild dose!

Petrie said:
All told I ate about 2300 calories more than the 1680 I'm shooting for on my cut, but it was a glorious day.
It's having days like these where I never follow through to the single digits of bodyfat percentage. So far, it's been worth it.
 

X-Frame

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Best of luck Shogun. Is standing or walking affected at all? When I hurt mine, I couldn't even stand up straight or walk. It was horrible, and it was like that for 2 days. Really smart that you just stopped and let it go and moved on. Most people would try and push through it.

Francis -- EPIC BEARD. Holy. Shit.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Thanks guys, standing/walking are only minimally effected at this point but I've been icing the hell out of it. The real test will be tomorrow morning. I think I will be fine though, and I'll take at least a week off from dl/squat just to be safe.
 

Mr.City

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Well, I just injured my lower back, not sure how bad. I was deadlifting and I felt a shift, so immediately stopped and went on to do my biking. I should have known better since it felt a little off since weighted hyperextensions on monday. I think my form was off on the hyperextensions and this did it. Icing and NSAIDs right now to see how it is, but may have to lay off squats/deads for a week or two.

Ok, so that Craze shit works. This has to be what speed feels like, it's fucking nuts. I'm on a severe cut, and I went from feeling no energy to having insane energy today. Deadlifts till I hurt myself felt like warm up weight (even 405) I got on the bike and did 9.8 miles at 8 resistance in 30 minutes without a problem (the underside of the bike looked like a ocean).

This shit also turns you into a sweat bomb, it's fucking nuts. This shit has to be made illegal soon, there's no way this shit will remain on the market. It reminds of of ephedra back in the day.

I would recommend it to anyone who is on a very strict cut, but there's no way I would do this shit on a regular basis. It CANNOT be healthy.

Oh, shit. I hope your back is okay.

I don't take a steak with pasta at night because when I wake up mystomach feels like a rock, I feel exhausted and becuase it takes me 2 or 3 days to feel light again and to me that's a perfectly valid reason.

Steak and pasta? Who eats pasta with steak? Potatoes, man!

Feeling exhausting after eating in the morning and 2-3 days needed to feel "light" is weird. Are you sure you don't have medical conditions?
 

sphinx

the piano man
Feeling exhausting after eating in the morning and 2-3 days needed to feel "light" is weird. Are you sure you don't have medical conditions?

no, I don't have anything. I exaggerated, I just feel a big belly as opposed to a light feeling in my abdomen, it's just a natural thing. you eat alot? your belly is full and it lasts less, not 3 days.

One day I ate a huge fucking Pizza at night before sleeping and it took me a while to "get rid of it" completely, lol.
 

Mr.City

Member
no, I don't have anything. I exaggerated, I just feel a big belly as opposed to a light feeling in my abdomen, it's just a natural thing. you eat alot? your belly is full and it lasts less, not 3 days.

One day I ate a huge fucking Pizza at night before sleeping and it took me a while to "get rid of it" completely, lol.

Wouldn't the issue here be not pigging out on food instead of eating at night then?
 
Yeah stretching if you have torn something or slipped a disc will just make it worse. That being said though its possible if your hamstrings are naturally really tight that they just seized up and are pulling on your lower back. The only reason I think that is because your having trouble walking with your back straight. Very carefully I would try the following stretches. Be really slow with the first one and be sensitive to any pain from your back. You will be able to tell if the stretch is releasing the pressure or adding to it. If its the latter you definitely injured yourself.

Lower Back Hamstring Stretch

Lower Glute Stretch

Glute Floor Stretch

Hip Flexor


As a PT that term is like fingernails on chalk board.

He's better of taking it easy for a couple days. Icing as suggested and probably using NSAIDs for about a week to help with any inflammation.
 

balddemon

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How much of your protein can you safely get from shakes?

i drink 1 shake per day, because i can't afford more than that, but also because i get the other 110g of protein from food. don't replace meals with shakes, but i'd say you can have as much protein shake as your stomach can hold.
 

Escape Goat

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i drink 1 shake per day, because i can't afford more than that, but also because i get the other 110g of protein from food. don't replace meals with shakes, but i'd say you can have as much protein shake as your stomach can hold.

I wouldn't ever replace a meal with a shake but I find it incredibly difficult to eat so much protein in the day without more than 1 shake.
 

balddemon

Banned
I wouldn't ever replace a meal with a shake but I find it incredibly difficult to eat so much protein in the day without more than 1 shake.

i eat a lot of fish. tuna, salmon, pollock, etc. i get these packages from the store that have a serving in them and i eat 2-4 for dinner. pretty cheap as well. i will have sardines or tuna or peanut butter for lunch. and breakfast is sausage or bacon or spam with eggs. i'm not actually sure if i get all 181g of protein I'm "supposed" to get, but i sure do get a lot
 
So for weightlifting with barbells, should i be wearing these:

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or these:

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These are the shoes that look kind of viable to me, the other shoes i own have quite a lot of heel which the OP says is bad so. Help me GAF!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I think I may try Jim's 2x a week lifting program with conditioning every day. He's made crazy progress post surgery and I'm thinking I may have to adopt this program down the road anyway since my time will be tight. Plus it gives ample time for recovery and it eliminates deload weeks.

Gonna think on this one.

Also, I really appreciate the concern guys!

Link BTW.

http://www.jimwendler.com/2012/07/training-update-2/#comment-17222

It's also first mentioned in the 5/3/1 for powerlifting book.
 

balddemon

Banned
I think I may try Jim's 2x a week lifting program with conditioning every day. He's made crazy progress post surgery and I'm thinking I may have to adopt this program down the road anyway since my time will be tight. Plus it gives ample time for recovery and it eliminates deload weeks.

Gonna think on this one.

Also, I really appreciate the concern guys!

kid on the way??
or just school/work?
 

Petrie

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Wouldn't the issue here be not pigging out on food instead of eating at night then?

Hence the shitty broscience comment. It isn't about not eating at night, it's about not eating like a pig.


Really sorry to hear you hurt yourself Shogun, just don't rush or push yourself too much. I know you know this, but it's not a sprint, it's a marathon my friend.
 
I wouldn't ever replace a meal with a shake but I find it incredibly difficult to eat so much protein in the day without more than 1 shake.
I used to do 2 shakes a day and it worked. But I hated the way it made me feel. YMMV I guess. I love meat (teehee) so I never have a problem getting my protein. All the different cuts of chicken do wonders for changing it up but still providing protein.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Hence the shitty broscience comment. It isn't about not eating at night, it's about not eating like a pig.


Really sorry to hear you hurt yourself Shogun, just don't rush or push yourself too much. I know you know this, but it's not a sprint, it's a marathon my friend.

Yep, that's why I stoppled DLing after I felt it. I just went on to do my cardio.

I have absolute faith this won't set me back in the least.

The more I look at this 2x a week routine, the more I like it. Maximum time for recovery. Near 0 chance for overtraining and plenty of conditioning.
 

Petrie

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Yep, that's why I stoppled DLing after I felt it. I just went on to do my cardio.

I have absolute faith this won't set me back in the least.

The more I look at this 2x a week routine, the more I like it. Maximum time for recovery. Near 0 chance for overtraining and plenty of conditioning.

Link to some info? Love reading about alternate routines.
 

M_A_C

Member
Benched 355 tonight!

@LeadProtagonist sorry if I came off as an "asshole" the other day but I genuinely didn't know what was up with you being only 130lbs and thinking of losing weight to 120. I was just trying to persuade you to get some meat on your bones!
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Link to some info? Love reading about alternate routines.

I linked it before. He's doing a weekend version of his "training for grey pubes" from 5/3/1 for powerlifting.

http://www.jimwendler.com/2012/07/training-update-2/#comment-17222

Basically he does all 4 lifts in those two days, but 2 of them are assistance versions, then he alternated the following week for the other two lifts, doing the 2 he did the first week as assistance. Along with some other assistance work.

Sounds a bit confusing, but look at that link and you will "get it."
 

Petrie

Banned
I linked it before. He's doing a weekend version of his "training for grey pubes" from 5/3/1 for powerlifting.

http://www.jimwendler.com/2012/07/training-update-2/#comment-17222

Basically he does all 4 lifts in those two days, but 2 of them are assistance versions, then he alternated the following week for the other two lifts, doing the 2 he did the first week as assistance. Along with some other assistance work.

Sounds a bit confusing, but look at that link and you will "get it."

Wow, a lot of volume on some of that assistance work. I couldn't handle that yet, 100 reps on rows and such.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Thanks!

It's quite the contrast from my usual Bruce Lee avatars. Then again, most posters on this forum aren't twenty-something Korean girls or cartoon ponies, either.
I am drinking an organic amber ale in your beard's honor.
 
I started going back to the gym two weeks ago, and my body feels much better than when I was sitting around doing nothing, but I was doing biceps about three days ago and ever since then they have been tighter than they've ever been. I stretched before and after my workouts, but when I extend my arms out they're still really tight. I'm not even flexing and they feel hard as a rock. Something I should be concerned about or is it normal since I really haven't gone hard at the gym for awhile?
 

balddemon

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30s jog 30s sprint, five times

I'm pretty out of shape.

that's really fucking short rest periods. even when i was in great shape in cross country, and we did speed work, we would sprint 200m which is about 30s (lol, cross country, we slow as shit) and get at least a minute break
 

balddemon

Banned
Haha, I'm jealous of your 30/30. :p

30/60 for 14 minutes had me passed out on the grass for about twenty minutes haha.

that's pretty short as well especially for a beginner.

when i was doing HIIT i would sprint the hill (~10-15 seconds), then walk down and just walk around in circles/stand still with my hands on my head for 45 seconds. shit was hard. i'm thinkin next time i do it i will sprint the hill then jog along the ridge to where it's at 0 elevation again then sprint it again. that way i'm constantly moving and get done quicker
 

Leeness

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that's pretty short as well especially for a beginner.

when i was doing HIIT i would sprint the hill (~10-15 seconds), then walk down and just walk around in circles/stand still with my hands on my head for 45 seconds. shit was hard. i'm thinkin next time i do it i will sprint the hill then jog along the ridge to where it's at 0 elevation again then sprint it again. that way i'm constantly moving and get done quicker

I actually found a Couch to 5k-like thing for HIIT, so I'm going to do that. Two weeks of 15/60, two weeks of 30/60, two weeks 30/30, two 30/15.

Will be fun :D
 

balddemon

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I actually found a Couch to 5k-like thing for HIIT, so I'm going to do that. Two weeks of 15/60, two weeks of 30/60, two weeks 30/30, two 30/15.

Will be fun :D

that just sounds painful. i mean. damn.
mind linking me to it though? i need something to do on non basketball days
 
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Deleted member 12837

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In one of the (much older) fitness threads, someone posted an Applescript for easily created HIIT playlists. You could pick songs and intervals, and the song would switch at the intervals you set, so you know when to stop running and start jogging or vice versa. Anyone know what I'm talking about, and possibly still have a link?

How do y'all track the intervals? Just keep staring down at your watch? Count in your head?
 

Escape Goat

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I wore a fairly thin tshirt to workout this morning and I did a few calf raises (machine). Not sure if thats the cause but I my shoulders are all splotchy with deep red marks. It looks like I have internal bleeding in my shoulders. Its pretty gnarly.
 

agrajag

Banned
I wore a fairly thin tshirt to workout this morning and I did a few calf raises (machine). Not sure if thats the cause but I my shoulders are all splotchy with deep red marks. It looks like I have internal bleeding in my shoulders. Its pretty gnarly.

It's just bruising from the shoulder pads from the machine.
 
I wore a fairly thin tshirt to workout this morning and I did a few calf raises (machine). Not sure if thats the cause but I my shoulders are all splotchy with deep red marks. It looks like I have internal bleeding in my shoulders. Its pretty gnarly.

Burst blood vessels/capillaries?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/525094-ruptured-blood-vessels-weight-lifting/


On an unrelated note, I found the study in support of creatine being counterproductive to cutting (thread regulars may recall I got accused of making broscience statements, but whatever.)


The influence of creatine supplementation on substrate utilization during rest was investigated using a double-blind crossover design. Ten active men participated in 12 wk of weight training and were given creatine and placebo (20 g/day for 4 days, then 2 g/day for 17 days) in two trials separated by a 4-wk washout. Body composition, substrate utilization, and strength were assessed after weeks 2, 5, 9, and 12. Maximal isometric contraction [1 repetition maximum (RM)] leg press increased significantly (P < 0.05) after both treatments, but 1-RM bench press was increased (33 ± 8 kg, P < 0.05) only after creatine. Total body mass increased (1.6 ± 0.5 kg, P < 0.05) after creatine but not after placebo. Significant (P < 0.05) increases in fat-free mass were found after creatine and placebo supplementation (1.9 ± 0.8 and 2.2 ± 0.7 kg, respectively). Fat mass did not change significantly with creatine but decreased after the placebo trial (&#8722;2.4 ± 0.8 kg, P < 0.05). Carbohydrate oxidation was increased by creatine (8.9 ± 4.0%,P < 0.05), whereas there was a trend for increased respiratory exchange ratio after creatine supplementation (0.03 ± 0.01, P = 0.07). Changes in substrate oxidation may influence the inhibition of fat mass loss associated with creatine after weight training.
 
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