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Fitness |OT4| Squat Booty, Summer Cuts, and Super Swoletrophy

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blackflag

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Fair enough then.

I'll probably take it a bit slower regardless, only because I need to let my body get used to the increased insulin it's going to get and such, but that's another thing just a bit unique to my situation.

a lot of people do reverse dieting when they increase their cals. Like increase a couple hundred a week.
 

Petrie

Banned
a lot of people do reverse dieting when they increase their cals. Like increase a couple hundred a week.

Yeah, and because my insulin is going to be so much more messed up, I feel like I might have to. When I started my cut I was at like 25% Bodyfat or something, I'm down to 11%, so now I'm going to be much more sensitive to smaller amounts of insulin. I think it's safer to take it slow so I can readjust my insulin intake and not risk hypoglycemia, so long as increasing slower won't be detrimental to my progress.
 
Yeah, and because my insulin is going to be so much more messed up, I feel like I might have to. When I started my cut I was at like 25% Bodyfat or something, I'm down to 11%, so now I'm going to be much more sensitive to smaller amounts of insulin. I think it's safer to take it slow so I can readjust my insulin intake and not risk hypoglycemia, so long as increasing slower won't be detrimental to my progress.

When did you start?
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
I'm thinking about cycling tonight, I woke up @ 5:30am and went sprinting though, rest or go for the glory?

Rest, especially if you have squats/deads coming up.

I decided to just walk the dog tomorrow so I don't hinder squats more. Working back up with BBB is taking its tole on my legs.
 

TheContact

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I'm not in shape. I did a kettlebell class today and it destroyed me. I puked all the water I drank during the class in the parking lot when it was over. I need to get in shape, i cant just go from being lazy to extreme workouts.
 

kylej

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I'm not in shape. I did a kettlebell class today and it destroyed me. I puked all the water I drank during the class in the parking lot when it was over. I need to get in shape, i cant just go from being lazy to extreme workouts.

So do Starting Strength...
 

bro1

Banned
I'm thinking about cycling tonight, I woke up @ 5:30am and went sprinting though, rest or go for the glory?

Glory! if you have the energy go for it.

I know I am not and never will be an elite athlete, but every time I think about not training I think about all of the guys and gals who put in 8 hours a day working towards their goal in whatever sport they are training for.

Plus, you can always rest tomorrow.
 

bro1

Banned
I'm not in shape. I did a kettlebell class today and it destroyed me. I puked all the water I drank during the class in the parking lot when it was over. I need to get in shape, i cant just go from being lazy to extreme workouts.

or you can suck it up and do it again. I'm pretty sure nobody ever woke up one day in shape without working at it.

How out of shape are you? Are you overweight, under weight, smoke, eat crap? Are you old, young?
 
Fair enough then.

I'll probably take it a bit slower regardless, only because I need to let my body get used to the increased insulin it's going to get and such, but that's another thing just a bit unique to my situation.
yeah. That's understandable. I've just never had any problems. Then again I don't think I've ever done that large of a cut. I would probably feel a little more cautious then.
 

TheContact

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or you can suck it up and do it again. I'm pretty sure nobody ever woke up one day in shape without working at it.

How out of shape are you? Are you overweight, under weight, smoke, eat crap? Are you old, young?

Pretty out of shape. Im 26, about 5'9" and weigh 160. I dont eat well at all. I need a better diet but I pretty much live off pasta / sandwiches / hot pockets. I'm trying to eat more salads and chicken. I go to the gym sporadically. Some weeks I would go 4 days a week, but I haven't gone in a month, and today I wanted to try the kettlebell class and got destroyed.

I think a big problem is my diet. I know I don't eat well. Should i start making eggs for breakfast and have a chicken salad for lunch every day?

I felt really good about 30 minutes after the class was over and it seemed worth it. I was just told by people not to go from basically nothing to extreme workouts, but I'd like to do the kettlebell class at least once a week (it runs 2x a week).
 
I've been working out at home with my homemade power rack and a regular bench and rack for squats, bench press etc. along with some cardio equipment for about two years.

I have to move my gym for space reasons and i joined the gym at work. At first i was a little bummed but working out during lunch is awesome. And the extra equipment is so much easier than changing out my equipment for a new exercise and then just the amount of exercises i can actually do has increased so much. Im now really excited because i have a whole new routine.
 
they look exactly the same and continue to tell me how I need to buy some "for my health".


As someone who used to be 6'2" and 119lb >17% body fat with some serious metabolic issues, if you're at all interested in getting yourself into fighting shape with the least amount of effort, the easiest way to do it is to monitor your macros with DailyBurn.com, lift HARD 2-3x a week for 30m, and ease into a modified paleo diet while making dietary adjustments as needed. You'll see results in <2 weeks and look like a different person in <3 months.

Yea I get the I'm worried about your health speech everyday. I constantly say no the nicest way I can. I figured that's what it was. Just trying to lock me in. They set up these shake parties in the break room like once a month lol.

I will def look into that website. Thanks for the info.
 

Petrie

Banned
yeah. That's understandable. I've just never had any problems. Then again I don't think I've ever done that large of a cut. I would probably feel a little more cautious then.

You also don't have diabetes on top of it. Lol. It changes my priorities a bit.

Unless you do, and then I'm off base.

When did you start?

I started trying to lose some weight on January 1st, but only got really serious in March. I was around 215 when I began to cut, because I realized I had been bulking way too heavily, and though I was making great gains, I had gained a sizable belly. I'm down to 172 now, so I'd say it was about 5-6 months to lose 40 or so lbs, some water weight. All in
all 6-8 lbs a month on average. Compensating for water weight I'd say I lost 30 lbs in that timeframe.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Do you guys think it's a bad idea to focus on losing weight and gaining muscle simultaneously? Should i focus on one first?

We'll see how it works out in my case. I'm just going to focus on eating lots of protein (and carbs post workout) while keeping my overall calorie count at sedentary maintenance or lower. I'm sure I won't maximize my strength gains, but I think I'll be able to still gain a good amount of strength while cutting down that excess fat I want to lose.

Anyways, tomorrow is Workout B. Excited to try power cleans for the first time! My quads are still pretty sore from yesterday's squats...we'll see how I handle the load tomorrow.
 

rando14

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Do you guys think it's a bad idea to focus on losing weight and gaining muscle simultaneously? Should i focus on one first?

How new are you to weight lifting? If you are new, you can do both fairly easily assuming the right workouts and diet.

If you're a vet, it's pretty tough
 

MDR1750

Neo Member
been doing intermittent fasting for a few months now. I did it primarily because eating 3 large meals in an 8 hour window is easier to juggle with everything else in my life than eating smaller meals every 2-3 hours. my body responds well to fasted training and there haven’t been any fatigue or strength issues.

So fat my schedule on training days has been like this:
fasted training around 11am, fast broken post workout with 50% of my daily calories, 2 more meals of 25% of my calories consumed any time before 8pm.

But my schedule is changing soon which will force me to move my work outs to either 7pm or early mornings (6:30am). I used to train evenings a while ago and I didn’t like it, so I’m going to go with the morning workouts. My feeding window will remain noon-8pm.

My question to IF-gaf is whether I should take a small meal/shake post workout or remain in a fasted state until my feeding window (noon). I personally don’t think it’ll make a big difference either way, but I’m curious what others think.

Oh and I don’t take BCAAs and I don’t plan on changing that. they are too expensive for me for the little benefit they bring (if any).
 
I think i rather lose some of my weight first. It shouldn't take long since i don't have that much. For my diet i can just go after protein correct? Eat small meals and do some cardio.
 

Cudder

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been doing intermittent fasting for a few months now. I did it primarily because eating 3 large meals in an 8 hour window is easier to juggle with everything else in my life than eating smaller meals every 2-3 hours. my body responds well to fasted training and there haven’t been any fatigue or strength issues.

So fat my schedule on training days has been like this:
fasted training around 11am, fast broken post workout with 50% of my daily calories, 2 more meals of 25% of my calories consumed any time before 8pm.

But my schedule is changing soon which will force me to move my work outs to either 7pm or early mornings (6:30am). I used to train evenings a while ago and I didn’t like it, so I’m going to go with the morning workouts. My feeding window will remain noon-8pm.

My question to IF-gaf is whether I should take a small meal/shake post workout or remain in a fasted state until my feeding window (noon). I personally don’t think it’ll make a big difference either way, but I’m curious what others think.

Oh and I don’t take BCAAs and I don’t plan on changing that. they are too expensive for me for the little benefit they bring (if any).

I always have a protein shake right after a workout. You exhaust your muscles doing the exercises, so feed em right after.
 
I have a question for fitness GAF. I am convinced of the low carb lifestyle and have been eating this way for quite some time. However, I'm looking to add about 20lbs to my frame as I am ready for a good bulk. However, a lot of sources recommended that i increase my intake of complex carbs and decrease the amount of fats that I eat. Has anyone else bulked up on a low carb diet? Or are carbs really necessary? If they are, I guess I'd stick to oatmeal and sweet potatoes with lunch and dinner. And chocolate milk and whey post workout.
 

rando14

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I have a question for fitness GAF. I am convinced of the low carb lifestyle and have been eating this way for quite some time. However, I'm looking to add about 20lbs to my frame as I am ready for a good bulk. However, a lot of sources recommended that i increase my intake of complex carbs and decrease the amount of fats that I eat. Has anyone else bulked up on a low carb diet? Or are carbs really necessary? If they are, I guess I'd stick to oatmeal and sweet potatoes with lunch and dinner. And chocolate milk and whey post workout.

If you're doing a serious bulk you'll definitely want a very healthy influx of carbs. Of course, don't eat crappy carbs and you'll be good
 
If you're doing a serious bulk you'll definitely want a very healthy influx of carbs. Of course, don't eat crappy carbs and you'll be good

Cool. Should I go double serving size of oatmeal for breakfast on workout days? I'll be eating one sweet potato with lunch and another for dinner as well.

Edit: Crappiest carb source wll probably be 2% milk and chocolate milk for a post workout shake.
 

rando14

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Cool. Should I go double serving size of oatmeal for breakfast on workout days? I'll be eating one sweet potato with lunch and another for dinner as well.

Well it's not just getting more carbs, keep in mind to bulk you need to take in a calorie surplus. Start out slow, then ramp up the calories as you get comfortable. Depending on whether you want to do a dirty or a clean bulk, you'll adjust your food sources accordingly.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
Part of the issue with a lot of guys is that they have so much fat fucking everything up that they really need to diet first and see what little muscles they have underneath before being convinced they still have room to bulk.

On topic:
I've been hovering right at 172.2 lbs for three Tuesdays in a row. I think I might be going a little crazy on my cheat days, or I'm just not doing enough cardio. Someone said that it can be hard to crack a weight that you sat at for a while though, and that was my weight for years. But they also said the last 5-8 lbs are always the hardest, and it's just as likely I'll drop 4 more out of nowhere.

Hope they're right.
 

Ashhong

Member
Now, I am a slight believer in muscle confusion (don't worry, I don't really practice it), but this comment I read on Facebook just now made me laugh.

it sucks when you run out of protein. Although a new flavor/brand will keep it mixed up and your body confused.

It wasn't aimed at me, and I'm no expert but, that can't be anywhere near true right? lol
 
Cool. Should I go double serving size of oatmeal for breakfast on workout days? I'll be eating one sweet potato with lunch and another for dinner as well.

Edit: Crappiest carb source wll probably be 2% milk and chocolate milk for a post workout shake.

I have to say, I love oats for breakfast. I measure out a cup or more of dry, old-fashioned oats, add in a 1 1/4th cup of milk, microwave. Throw on a ton of cinnamon, maybe a half scoop of vanilla protein powder and a few fresh blueberries and you're set. Sometimes I'll add some fruit-flavored yogurt because I really enjoy the contrast of cold yogurt on top of hot oatmeal, but yeah. Oatmeal for breakfast, all day every day, with a side of eggs.
 
I'm about to get iForce Protean Vanilla Mint flavor. I've heard amazing things. Also I just started IF like 3 weeks ago and now it's integrated seamlessly into my lifestyle. I've been doing around 19 hours of fasting and 5 of eating and it's going great. How is it going for you guys? Any good results?
 

Izick

Member
Lifted for the first time since about two or three months ago (due to medical trepidation), and it felt absolutely amazing.
 

ldcommando

Banned
Now, I am a slight believer in muscle confusion (don't worry, I don't really practice it), but this comment I read on Facebook just now made me laugh.



It wasn't aimed at me, and I'm no expert but, that can't be anywhere near true right? lol

Gotta cycle those proteins, brah. Keep the body guessing.
lol
 

despire

Member
I'm currently on Finasteride and have been taking the stuff for a year. It's used to combat hair loss with men. It does this by somehow lowering your testosterone levels.

I just realized that lowered testosterone isn't really good for weight lifting. Problem is that I don't know how much this stuff lowers it and if the effect is just marginal or does it really have some potential negative effect? Anyone have any idea? I'd rather be bald and muscular than weak with hair. And the stuff ain't even working that well with me since hair loss is still there even though slow..
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
I'm currently on Finasteride and have been taking the stuff for a year. It's used to combat hair loss with men. It does this by somehow lowering your testosterone levels.

I just realized that lowered testosterone isn't really good for weight lifting. Problem is that I don't know how much this stuff lowers it and if the effect is just marginal or does it really have some potential negative effect? Anyone have any idea? I'd rather be bald and muscular than weak with hair. And the stuff ain't even working that well with me since hair loss is still there even though slow..

Except finasteride increases testosterone levels. It leads to increased estrogen too though.
 

bjb

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I'm currently on Finasteride and have been taking the stuff for a year. It's used to combat hair loss with men. It does this by somehow lowering your testosterone levels.

I just realized that lowered testosterone isn't really good for weight lifting. Problem is that I don't know how much this stuff lowers it and if the effect is just marginal or does it really have some potential negative effect? Anyone have any idea? I'd rather be bald and muscular than weak with hair. And the stuff ain't even working that well with me since hair loss is still there even though slow..

Shit is dangerous. It works for some people and it can ruin others. If you need in any other conformation, visit here:

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/index.php?sid=fa487b99e1f48646fc0525f6b888fe97

I personally took it and it wrecked my system for months even after stopping.
 

despire

Member
Except finasteride increases testosterone levels. It leads to increased estrogen too though.

Ok. Apparently it decreases DHT levels.

Info online is bit divided though. Some people report difficulties getting muscle and some think it helps getting muscle because of the increased testosterone. But I also read something about DHT being important for muscle growth..
 
I'm currently on Finasteride and have been taking the stuff for a year. It's used to combat hair loss with men. It does this by somehow lowering your testosterone levels.

I just realized that lowered testosterone isn't really good for weight lifting. Problem is that I don't know how much this stuff lowers it and if the effect is just marginal or does it really have some potential negative effect? Anyone have any idea? I'd rather be bald and muscular than weak with hair. And the stuff ain't even working that well with me since hair loss is still there even though slow..

Just man up, shave your head, go to the gym and start looking thick, tight and solid.
 

Kavanagh

Banned
Has this article from Arnie's website been posted yet? I found it quite interesting re: broscience and studies.

One of the interesting things about the fitness industry is that, like fashion, trends come and go, only to resurface years later; in this way, bodybuilding and bellbottoms are fairly similar—people look back on them with bemused nostalgia, and wonder how they ever thought it was a good idea in the first place.

For the past few years, bodybuilding and its training methods have been on wrong side of the trend, to the extent that there has been a significant amount of negative sentiment. This in itself is bad enough, but the more unfortunate thing about bodybuilding-hatred is that it occurs for all the wrong reasons.

In this article, you’ll see the reasons the training methods of bodybuilders have been discarded and ridiculed by the general fitness industry—and the reasons those methods must return. The pendulum has begun to swing back, and what is old will be new again.

Once Upon a Time, Results Were All That Mattered

In the Golden Age of bodybuilding, Arnold and his contemporaries were interested in results, and only results. That, I think, is the biggest thing we can say for the guiding philosophy behind the training methods of those days—they did things that worked, simply because they worked.

Figuring out what worked—and what didn’t—was the driving force that pushed the entire understanding of training forward. Over the course of months or years, methods, systems and programs emerged.

The mindset was simple: If it could possibly yield results, it was worth testing; after a while, the ideas were either incorporated into the overarching umbrella philosophy of what was effective, or discarded altogether. All that mattered was that it worked.

For better or worse, that was not to last.


Much more at the link.
 
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