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FootballSoccerFútbolFussball Thread 2010/2011 |OT2|
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To be honest I don't think Rosell is that interested in buying back Fabregas yet. He says a price that is too low because he know that Arsenal won't sell for that price but in the meantime Fabregas gets more frustrated, contract winds down, player refuses to extend, and before you know it when the time comes that Rosell does want the player he will get him for a fraction of his true value knowing there is nothing Arsenal can do to keep him.Messi said:
If Arsenal want to cash in on Fabregas they will need to get his value higher and the only way to do that is get City, Chelsea, Real Madrid etc... to bid for him. Arsenal will need to make a decision on Cesc in the next 12mths and tbh as much as it hurts and I love the player I am in favor of getting rid of him to the highest bidder and focusing on talent but hopefully not from Spain.
As for now, Cesc should be stripped of the captaincy immediately.
I know that theres the whole Catalan connection between Cesc and Barca and that they do want him at the Camp Nou,but Cesc is not the same player he was 18 months ago.I know he's had injuries but whenever I've seen him play he looked like he was just going through the motions and that his heart wasn't in it.Personally I think Rosells valuation of Cesc is closer than Arsenals.As of right now Fabregas isn't a 45-50 million pound player.Lightning said:
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True but at just 23 there is so much ahead of him. I find it hard to believe he can't rediscover that form and even go beyond it.Clegg said:
Arsenal should hold on to him (so long as he is still interested in the club which I believe he is). Going for 35m in the current Market is a joke. In terms of quality/potential he is the best buy since the Market got crazy since Ronaldo IMO.
José Mourinho
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I'd put my money on Anelka.Messi said:
One of these will go
I wouldn't be so sure. This is the last summer of big spending, we're only going to get a few players. After his FFP kicks in and we can't buy big every year. Some of the youth coming up now look great and with the ageing squad they're chances of getting a go are probably better than ever.Chriswok said:
I don't think AVB would have taken the job unless it's understood that he's in charge. He doesn't strike me as the type who would take it if he thought otherwise. I think things at Chelsea are changing. We will see.
You're probably right about Fabregas.He's not played up to his potential for a while but when he does he is the best midfielder in the league by far.He just needs to reaffirm that status and as a fan of football I hope he does because when he's on song he's a joy to watch.Now United need a good midfielder desperately.Some of my friends think Giggs should be in central midfield but realistically he only has one good season left in him.Lass Diarra is available I think.I would love to see Schweinsteiger for United but thats just a pipe dream unfortunatelyfarhatraza said:
When you launch a 22m bid for a player when have neither a manager or a director of football, I would say that things are not changing at Chelsea at all. AVB will be undermined and discarded by Roman just like every Chelsea manager before him. But if AVB is sacked early, the guy will be in line for a large pay-off, will quickly bounce back somewhere else, so he probably won't be too bothered.Kylehimself said:
No, you really don't. Schweinsteiger shits the bed when put under pressurehe makes Carrick look potty-trainedand that's exactly what you don't need when facing Barcelona (to be fair, he'd be great in 95% of the other match-ups Man Utd are likely to be in). Man Utd has two problems in central midfield: goal scoring and mobility i.e. speed. The goal-scoring problem is doesn't need be resolved because it is adequately compensated by the threat from the wingers/strikers but Carrick, Anderson, Giggs, Fletcher and Park, good passers and disciplined defensively they may be, just can't keep up with Barca's movement nor do they have the dribbling ability to escape Barca's pressing.Clegg said:
Realistically no team right now is capable of negating the Barcelona midfield.In relation to Schweinsteiger you are right in saying he does bottle it under pressure sometimes but in terms of the Premier League he'd massively inprove Uniteds midfield who had some shockers last season against weaker opposition.Who could United realistically sign to improve their midfield in the league and in Europe?Greyface said:
anonnumber6
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Owen Hargreaves with working kneesClegg said:
José Mourinho
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What's the big deal? A 22m bid was never going to get accepted anyway. Why not put the wheels in motion to possibly sign a world class player? We haven't followed it up since. And realistically, how much interest we really had is purely speculation on the media's part. Nobody know's what goes on behind our doors because the club never speculates. Chelsea only ever release news when the job's done. Gourlay said in a statement about a week ago that the managerial issue would be sorted within' a few weeks and sure enough it was. There's a lot going on behind the scenes. Making a bid for an excellent player is hardly a sign of bad things to come.offshore said:
Right now I'd accept Hargreaves with one working knee.He could've been brilliant at United.He had a great first season then he broke himself.So is there anyone we could realistically sign to improve the central midfield?Also Daniel Taylor from the Guardian has tweeted that Ashley Young has just had his medical for United.Thats one new player at least.Good signing.anonnumber6 said:Owen Hargreaves with working knees
Well, it depends on the approach taken. If you play a 4-4-2 (with Giggs and Carrick as the two central midfielders to boot) then it ain't going to work. Trying to match Barca at their own game, like Arsenal did, is iffy at best and honestly the arse were riding their luck for most of the tie (the 2-1 win really should have been in Barca's favor). If you put in 3 defensive midfielders, like Madrid did, then Barca's midfield can be negated, and indeed they were, but who really wants to take that desperation route. I think, or at least I hoping, that what Mourinho has in mind is stuffing the midfield with creative mobile passers (hence the purchase of sahin etc) and playing say 5 in the middle against Barca's 3 (or 4 if Mess is included) just so they can keep the ball and clog the lines when barca has it. We'll find out next season.Clegg said:
Which is why United need to either change their tactics when playing against the biggestGreyface said:
clubs in Europe or sign someone who can provide them with something different.Also playing 5 midfielders across the line against Barcelona is a good idea but Im not sure if Madrid have the players for that,Ozil is a great player in attack but patchy in his defensive duties.It also means that they play with one less forward which would be a detriment to Ronaldo who I think prefers playing off a striker.
Tim the Wiz
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Clegg said:
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It's really just Barcelona that are provably beyond the reach of our midfield based on the last season, though. (Of course, our away form wasn't good, but that was a pretty universal failing throughout the team.) Carrick-Giggs dominated Chelsea and would have had a decent chance against RM. However, Giggs's passing ability is flowering at the very twilight end of his career (where he can only play every other game) and with Scholes gone, Fletcher coming back from poor form/injury, Anderson yet to advance out of his mode of perpetual potential, Gibson leaving, Hargreaves released and Carrick nearing 30, it's fairly obvious that a reinforcement or two would be helpful. Cleverley will be one, but someone who provides reliably consistent quality will probably be in that bracket, too. At least, until the youth wellspring that won the FA Cup blooms.
There's plenty of realistic signings in that position out there beyond the media darlings of Modric and Sneijder - Defour, M'Vila, Marvin, Ninis, etc. But the summer is yet to start in earnest.
And that's two players - the unplanned Jones and now Young - about done so far. De Gea, too, probably, next week.
City have made another improved bid for Sanchez as the Barca deal hits a snag!
£35M upfront and £4m in various payments over a period of time. Says that United are still interested but they are not prepared to match City's bid.
Multiple sources on this one but here is just one of them:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2006769/Alexis-Sanchez-hope-Manchester-City.html
£35M upfront and £4m in various payments over a period of time. Says that United are still interested but they are not prepared to match City's bid.
Multiple sources on this one but here is just one of them:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2006769/Alexis-Sanchez-hope-Manchester-City.html
Tim the Wiz
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Ashes1396 said:
Guardian says he's undergoing his medical to complete a £15m deal with United today.
Kylehimself said:
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I know, right? Looking forward to talking about the next season's games with you guys. As a Chelsea fan, this is one of the best news I've heard in a long time.
Messi said:looks like bojan is going to roma on a 10 million euro, 5 year contract deal, barca keeping a buy back clause.
Seems like it's bound to happen, which sucks cause Bojan is quite the player and I wanted to see him grow in Barcelona rather than out.
Kylehimself said:
I agree - I love Ancelotti, and wish he didn't have to go - especially in the way he was fired. But the problem I felt was the lack of motivation on his part rather than the trophies. In the last few games, there simply wasn't enough motivation. Sure, they lost out the chance to earn the Premiere League cup - but the enthusiasm was definitely lacking - and to be honest the coach seemed bored at the end
That's one thing I'll always miss about Mourinho - he was always hyper and ready for action.Messi said:
One of these will go
Can't be Drogba. It better not be. He has been the glimmer of hope in most of the games. In the Champions league quarter finals, no one tried as much as he did. Chelsea need him. It would be great to see him under Villa Boas' guidance.
I agree that our midfield probably isn't as weak as I made it out to be,but it certainly isn't strong enough in comparison to other teams.I was only 9 when United won the treble but even then I could see that the midfield of Keane,Beckham,Scholes and Giggs was something special.Our midfield now is miles behind those four.The youth players like Cleverley,Morrison and Pogba have the potential to be stars but it's still a bit too soon for them right now.I think Defour would be a good option but the way things are in the transfer market Standard aliege would probably ask for 25 million and theres no way United would pay over the odds for him like that.Tim the Wiz said:
Edit:I forgot about Jones to be honest.He struck up a great partnership with Smalling for England at the under 21's which bodes well for the future.I've heard that the de Gea deal is done and all that's left for him to do is switch agents on the first of July.
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