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FootballSoccerFútbolFussball Thread 2010/2011 |OT2|
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http://transferpriceindex.com/2011/06/using-the-tpi-to-set-realistic-expectations-at-aston-villa/
Setting Aston Villa expectations based on a transfer price index
Not sure I am sold on the method but its an interesting way of analysing stuff.
Setting Aston Villa expectations based on a transfer price index
Not sure I am sold on the method but its an interesting way of analysing stuff.
Palermo president has confirmed the club has received a 50M bid for Pastore.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11865_7010159,00.html
Sorry if old. But please let it be City.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11865_7010159,00.html
Sorry if old. But please let it be City.
Completely agreed, Zamparini comes across as a desperate moron just randomly going on every day about how much his player his worth despite no clubs seemingly being even slightly interested at the prices he's going on about.confuziz said:
Pastore is a great talent but also rather inconsistent and often seems to go missing at times, there is no way in hell a team would consider splashing 50m on him, surely?
(if the team he's talking about is Chelsea I am going to be gutted now, hah!)
Tim the Wiz
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dc89 said:
Don't worry. It's you.
Zibrahim said:
What? Wilshere is at his best in the middle of the park and is definitely CL class. Him, Ramsey and Song make for a great potential midfield. However, if we do get Nasri and Fabregas signs for Barca as it seems he will, Arsenal are going to be struggling next season unless Wenger pulls the rabbit out of the hat.
Interesting article about valdes on total barca, funny to think he hated being a keeper. Full article is over on the site:
TotalBarca:
Victor Valdes became a goalkeeper because his brother needed someone to practice his shots on. He started in a team because his dad thought he was good and he joined La Masia when he was 10 because they saw a talent in him. He left because he hated being a goalkeeper but came back because he wanted to be on TV.
Victor recently said that Josep Guardiola taught him to enjoy playing football, to enjoy being a goalkeeper. Before that, Victor Valdés had always hated his job. As a child he used to dream about another life where he didnt have to be a goalkeeper. Every week he felt bad knowing that at the weekend he would have a game where he would stand in the goal. The only reason why Victor kept on was because he was born to be a goalkeeper.
He was a hard worker even if he hated his job; he always trained hard to get better. In the 2002/2003 season, when he was only 20 years old, Victor made his debut for Barcelonas first team. By the time the season was over, he was the first choice keeper and he has been ever since. His dream of being on TV had become reality, but his nightmare as a goalkeeper kept going.
For all that he has achieved, Victor Valdés remains one of the worlds most underrated goalkeepers and he deserves some real recognition.
A lot of football fans cant see how good Victor Valdés is; they often say that he would never be good in any other top European football club, that the only reason he let in so few goals is because Barça has a fantastic defense and that they often have 70-80% possession. And then they can never forget the mistakes a young Victor Valdés made in his first years at the top level.
I have no idea how good Victor Valdés would be if he played at another club, but I know that he is the perfect goalkeeper for FC Barcelona. This has to do with the possession, that the anti-Valdés people often use as an excuse, saying that anyone could be a goalie for a team that keeps the ball so much. In their recent history, FC Barcelona has always had that kind of possession in their games and yet still they have always had huge goalkeeper problems. Thats an equation that doesnt fit. The fact is that the kind of possession FC Barcelona has actually makes it harder to be their goalkeeper. Just like the other players, a goalkeeper needs to be warmed up, but what if he doesnt get to touch the ball for 80 minutes? Doesnt get to make a single save? It will then have been 80 minutes since he warmed up. When suddenly the shot comes, the keeper who hasnt had a thing to do will need to be there and he will need to be ready. This can be a very complicated situation and had given Barcelona a lot of problems until Victor Valdés came.
Another thing that is different for a goalkeeper in Barcelona as opposed to other teams is that Valdés needs to be a extra outfield player. Which means he needs to be really good at passing and at seeing where to pass. Victor is basically an outfield player that can use his hands. When Victor was younger, just 20 years old, he didnt have the same level of confidence as he does now. It happened that he failed with his outfield playing duties and this led to huge mistakes like giving the opponents the ball. These kinds of mistakes dont happen as easily for goalkeepers in other teams because they dont need to play with their feet as much. Often Victor did a great job, but it so happened that he failed on occasion too. The people who didnt understand the difficulty of Valdés job as Barcelonas keeper started to complain. On youtube, videos went up with names like Victor Valdés, the worlds worst goalkeeper, highlighting his mistakes.
But in Barcelona they never stopped believing in the young keeper, and he would make important saves. Like in the Champions League final in 2006 when Victor was only 24 years old. He made it impossible for Henry to score and was probably the best player in the game. Later on, no one talked about Victor because no one ever talks about the goalkeeper for Barça.
TotalBarca:
Victor Valdes became a goalkeeper because his brother needed someone to practice his shots on. He started in a team because his dad thought he was good and he joined La Masia when he was 10 because they saw a talent in him. He left because he hated being a goalkeeper but came back because he wanted to be on TV.
Victor recently said that Josep Guardiola taught him to enjoy playing football, to enjoy being a goalkeeper. Before that, Victor Valdés had always hated his job. As a child he used to dream about another life where he didnt have to be a goalkeeper. Every week he felt bad knowing that at the weekend he would have a game where he would stand in the goal. The only reason why Victor kept on was because he was born to be a goalkeeper.
He was a hard worker even if he hated his job; he always trained hard to get better. In the 2002/2003 season, when he was only 20 years old, Victor made his debut for Barcelonas first team. By the time the season was over, he was the first choice keeper and he has been ever since. His dream of being on TV had become reality, but his nightmare as a goalkeeper kept going.
For all that he has achieved, Victor Valdés remains one of the worlds most underrated goalkeepers and he deserves some real recognition.
A lot of football fans cant see how good Victor Valdés is; they often say that he would never be good in any other top European football club, that the only reason he let in so few goals is because Barça has a fantastic defense and that they often have 70-80% possession. And then they can never forget the mistakes a young Victor Valdés made in his first years at the top level.
I have no idea how good Victor Valdés would be if he played at another club, but I know that he is the perfect goalkeeper for FC Barcelona. This has to do with the possession, that the anti-Valdés people often use as an excuse, saying that anyone could be a goalie for a team that keeps the ball so much. In their recent history, FC Barcelona has always had that kind of possession in their games and yet still they have always had huge goalkeeper problems. Thats an equation that doesnt fit. The fact is that the kind of possession FC Barcelona has actually makes it harder to be their goalkeeper. Just like the other players, a goalkeeper needs to be warmed up, but what if he doesnt get to touch the ball for 80 minutes? Doesnt get to make a single save? It will then have been 80 minutes since he warmed up. When suddenly the shot comes, the keeper who hasnt had a thing to do will need to be there and he will need to be ready. This can be a very complicated situation and had given Barcelona a lot of problems until Victor Valdés came.
Another thing that is different for a goalkeeper in Barcelona as opposed to other teams is that Valdés needs to be a extra outfield player. Which means he needs to be really good at passing and at seeing where to pass. Victor is basically an outfield player that can use his hands. When Victor was younger, just 20 years old, he didnt have the same level of confidence as he does now. It happened that he failed with his outfield playing duties and this led to huge mistakes like giving the opponents the ball. These kinds of mistakes dont happen as easily for goalkeepers in other teams because they dont need to play with their feet as much. Often Victor did a great job, but it so happened that he failed on occasion too. The people who didnt understand the difficulty of Valdés job as Barcelonas keeper started to complain. On youtube, videos went up with names like Victor Valdés, the worlds worst goalkeeper, highlighting his mistakes.
But in Barcelona they never stopped believing in the young keeper, and he would make important saves. Like in the Champions League final in 2006 when Victor was only 24 years old. He made it impossible for Henry to score and was probably the best player in the game. Later on, no one talked about Victor because no one ever talks about the goalkeeper for Barça.
FC Barcelona midfield genius Xavi committed just 6 fouls in all Liga matches last season. And for every foul, he received a yellow card: 6 fouls, 6 cards. I guess they dont call him Mister Consistent for nothing.
Source: OptaSports
HA! Beats last season where he got 5 cards all for arguing about other peoples cards lol :/
Source: OptaSports
HA! Beats last season where he got 5 cards all for arguing about other peoples cards lol :/
LabouredSubterfuge
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Plasma said:
Biggest transfer blunder of the summer?
Ushojax said:
Yep - I'd sell him for 10, Fab for 35+, Denilson + Rosicky for 10 ish. That money, coupled with the money Arsene never spent after selling Adebayour and Toure to City, AND the money that we know Arsenal have anyway could buy them a league winning side.
Given, Samba, Cahill, Gervinho, Hazard, Parker for a start. Job done.
Sqrt_minus_one
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Moobabe said:
This team would still have only one proven striker, Chamakh I am still unsure about. Secondly Lille will never sell Hazard this year unless silly money is offered even them after they have gotten rid of Gervinho it would still be stupid of them to get rid of Hazard in the same year.
I think our keeper problem has been solved, I know I just said Chamakh is not proven but IMO if we could do a deal with Chelsea for Sturridge I would be v.v.v. happy. Yes even more unproven than Chamakh but he will be very good, very soon.
Tim the Wiz
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Messi said:AC Milan said they are not bidding on fab because he is already going to another club
Oh shi--
HixxSAFC said:
I wanted to start my reply with "In a world where Henderson costs..." but I can hear the groans of the Liverpool posters already. But, yeah, the market is crazy enough that I can actually believe that price is possible. (Surely not, though!) Still can't believe City bid 50m euros for Pastore.
HixxSAFC said:
Ah ok - well outside of him I think Arsenal could do a lot worse. Arsenal aren't a million miles away - a proven keeper and solid centre-half would have won them trophies over the past couple of years.
Arnie said:
I'll call it as I see it regardless of club - I thought Jones was a good buy, I thought Liverpool got mugged on Henderson and Carrol but then we were stupid enough to pay you £50 mil for Torres.
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confuziz said:
Zamps is a compulsive liar so it's hard to trust anything before Pastore is on another clubs site with their shirt on.
Messi said:
Only thing he is underrated in is asshole level and he is only underrated in that because you got Pinto on the bench.
Broder Salsa
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Edit : Double post.
Vivalaraza
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Nobody has bid 50m for Pastore. Not a chance. If they had that bid would have been accepted and the deal would be close to being done.
If by mugged off you mean payed over the odds then I wholeheartedly agree, but as I've said that is the price you have to pay for young, british talent. As far as Torres goes you guys payed over the odds because you have a crackpot owner who knows little about football enforcing the transfers. Similarly I think United payed over the odds for Jones at this current time, doesn't mean he won't turn into a fantastic player, which is exactly what they've payed for.Moobabe said:
It's a strange one though, because prior to moving to their respective clubs, Carroll, Henderson and Jones were highly praised as talented youngsters. Now they've moved they're lambasted as overpriced wasters who'll go on to do nothing.
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farhatraza said:
Well... Pastore would need to reach a agreement too wouldn't he? He has rejected a top english club before according to both Zamps and Pastore's agent, he doesn't want to rot on some bench in England so I doubt he will go to City.
Arnie said:
I would never proclaim to be a fortune teller - but of the three Jones was the only one that I thought was a serious talent. I've watched all three numerous times and while Carroll has good attributes I'm still a skeptic - but as for Henderson I never understood the fuss. He played well in a few games without being sensational and, for me at least, £20m is a serious amount of money to pay for someone like him.
Vivalaraza
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Yeah that is true but I still don't believe it. If a bid that big had been made I think it would be out in the open.BatmanBatmanBatman said:
Also, I'd be surprised if Pastore did turn down a CL placed English team.
Broder Salsa
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Messi said:
I don't believe it either. But just because he hasn't been officially presented yet does not mean it isn't true.
Messi said:
Valdes and his constant running from one part of the pitch to another just to participate in the small fights is sickening. Sadly he gets away with it all the time as he is part of the unicef conspiracy.
Not even a card.
KidA Seven
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farhatraza said:
Doesn't Silva play his position?
Whilst I would agree that out of the three of them Jones looks the most talented at this moment in time I acknowledge that at such an age the only way to fulfill potential is to play games (see Wilshere, Sturridge etc). I personally think Henderson and Carroll will get more game time than Jones will at United so I don't think it's as clear cut as we make out. It's great for United to have an asset for the future as long as he can make enough progress in the first team, and in a team with Ferdinand, Vidic and Smalling(who I really rate) that will be tough.Moobabe said:
BatmanBatmanBatman said:I don't believe it either. But just because he hasn't been officially presented yet does not mean it isn't true.
Valdes and his constant running from one part of the pitch to another just to participate in the small fights is sickening. Sadly he gets away with it all the time as he is part of the unicef conspiracy.
Not even a card.
Was stunned he got away with that one, but every person has stupid moments. It does not change the fact that between the sticks he is a great keeper. Its why he has won The Zamora trophy 3 years running
As for the UNICEF comment pfft
Arnie said:
Absolutely - which is why I applaud Wickham's decision to sign for Sunderland. Jones won't play a huge amount this season, 15 games at the most maybe, but for a club involved in as many matches as United that makes him invaluable. And next season he'll go on to 25+ games.
And I suppose time will tell regarding the three of them, and indeed Sturridge and Wickham. I hope, at least for England's sake, that all of them get a lot of game time and prove to be extremely successful. My concern is that they're simply not good enough and, simply because they're English, we're seeing big money thrown around for 'potential.'
Arnie said:
Purely as a -just for fun- thing we ought to have a 3-way race between those three next season...
Man utd roll out their squad a lot more than other clubs, but you're right he does have a few directly above him. We haven't played the same 11 two games in row in like... Forever Though.
Yes we should do that, a little meta game mid season.Ashes1396 said:Purely as a -just for fun- thing we ought to have a 3-way race between those three next season...
Man utd roll out their squad a lot more than other clubs, but you're right he does have a few directly above him. We haven't played the same 11 two games in row in like... Forever Though.
Oh and I know the stat about Fergie rotating, primarily because Rafa used to get slated for doing it by all corners of the media and the uninformed masses around the country whilst Fergie was never criticised, at least not publicly.
Vivalaraza
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Jones will play 20 matches for us at least I reckon, quite possibly more. Last season O'Shea played 32 games (only 3 from the bench) and he may be leaving. Evans played 21 games (again only 3 from the bench) and you'd expect Jones to be ahead of him in the pecking order. Brown played 15 games (5 from the bench) and he also looks set to leave. If Brown and O'Shea leave that's almost 40 appearances to be picked up by somebody else in the squad. Plus Jones can be DM if needed too.
Regards to SAF rotating vs Rafa. The main difference I guess was the results as far as the media criticism goes. I can't really remember now...but I am guessing the media got on Benitez's back about it because it was costing the team results. Plus...the media are just very very very careful ever calling out SAF on football decisions. They've done it so many times and been made to look silly.
EDIT - Guardian reporting Clichy is going to City for 7m.
Regards to SAF rotating vs Rafa. The main difference I guess was the results as far as the media criticism goes. I can't really remember now...but I am guessing the media got on Benitez's back about it because it was costing the team results. Plus...the media are just very very very careful ever calling out SAF on football decisions. They've done it so many times and been made to look silly.
EDIT - Guardian reporting Clichy is going to City for 7m.
Vivalaraza
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Messi said:
Tbh considering the money they have at their disposal I am "happy" they're going for him. Clichy is a good player but a couple of years back he was really really good, more than filling the void Ashley Cole left. Recently he hasn't been so great...that said he is still young and playing for Arsenal could make anybody sloppy in defence!
7m, good price for City and Arsenal IMO. Gibbs is a good prospect.
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