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Vivalaraza
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Jealous.omgkitty said:
(Another Man City vs FootyGAF war is incoming)
Whilst it's fine to have an opinion, and I understand how you came to that considering he's now a United player, the problem I had with LabouredSubtafuge's comment last night was that he seemed to indicate that the opinion was popular belief, when writers and Villa fans have openly expressed the contrary.farhatraza said:
Moobabe said:
My main problem with Man City and Chelsea fans is that a good portion of them became fans AFTER they got money. If you were a fan before when they were constantly fighting for middle of the pack, then fine. But I can't stand people who picked them up when they started playing like a 10 year old with 100 million in FIFA 11.
Mr. Luchador
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Arnie said:
Sorry, but I don't see the comparisons to Alonso at all. Adam is like a poor man's Scott Parker (but only when West Ham are losing and Parker decides to try and attack). He can run forward with the ball, and has an eye for a pass, but he always tries to force the killer pass. The WONDER BALL.
Stop for a moment and think of the team Adam was in. At Blackpool the team was set up and built up around him. He had 4/5 fast and athletic players in front of him who were willing to drive forward quickly, and spread the play wide to open the field up for Adam to use.
Blackpool played fast counter attacking football all season, which is why they did better away from home, then at home (where teams would sit deep against them).
General open play, build up play, probing play, I've seen Adam give the ball away several times that then led to a goal for the opposition. This was due to him trying to force the play, looking for the over elaborate ball.
Sure its good to have options, but that's the issue I have, I don't think Adam brings that much more to the team along side the players you already have on the books. He's not THAT good.
I wouldn't have the issue if he had signed for a mid table club, but I think this signing for the mighty Liverpool is a bit of a duff. Not even sure I'd have wanted him at Newcastle, as we already have Barton and Guthrie.
How must Shevely and Spearing feel about this? Seems to be it'll put a stopper on their chances within the Liverpool squad this season.
Sure there's several weeks left of the transfer window, so you might sign some wingers, and you might move out some of the current midfield crop. However, at the moment you are swamped with midfield players, yet only have 2 strikers, and the depth at the back isn't very good either.
Makes little sense spending all that money on Charlie Adam when you already have similar players on the books. Wasted money.
Oh and you missed Poulsen off that midfielder list.
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Didn't want to be seen as Trolling!
LabouredSubterfuge
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Arnie said:
So you're saying that the Villa fans that knew Young was leaving at the end of the season picked Downing purely on merit? This is what you're asking me to believe? And what writer worth his salt would ever rate Downing above Young?
I'm shocked you even brought it up to be honest.
Vivalaraza
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I think it's been said Downing had a better season than Young last year out. I hardly ever watch Villa so I can believe it.Arnie said:
I reckon Young is a better player all around though. Of course there will be club bias in this view, but I'm not a great fan of Young's anyway, not yet at least.
Anyway sure this debate will occur more and more and the season goes on.
LabouredSubterfuge
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danwarb said:
Probably his best aspect. Can get you a lot of goals come the end of the season if Liverpool organise themselves around it right.
Supposedly Villarreal are interested in Denilson. Don't know how much truth there is to this, but whenever I sell him in FIFA, Villarreal always pick him up haha. Kind of sucks considering I actually like Villarreal. He needs to go to a team I hate so I can watch him pass to the other team to score.
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Perhaps Adam trying to force the 'wonder ball' was a Holloway tactic, and one suited to Blackpool, this doesn't mean Adam can't play in a more considered manner if told. Regardless of this I think we can both agree Adam has the raw passing ability and it seems that's why we've bought him, because his delivery of the ball is fantastic, and more than ever that's what we need.Chriswok said:
I envisage Gerrard returning not as a midfielder but as a second striker, that seems to be his best position and he could really flourish in a 4-3-3 with Suarez and Carroll. After all if there's one criticism of Gerrard it's that in the centre of the park his positioning isn't the best, so playing him further forward seems like a better strategy.
I think Adam brings exactly what we need, a great delivery from deep, something we've been so openly lacking since Alonso left. I'm not saying Adam is an all round great player, in all honesty I haven't seem him enough with a critical eye to know that, but I do know that we've bought him for this skill.Chriswok said:
Your analogy to Barton is spot on. You wouldn't have him because you already have Barton, a midfielder with a top delivery, and un-coincidentally Barton had a fantastic on field relationship with Carroll as a result. It's no coincidence too that we were linked with Barton and we have bought Adam. It's all to supplement Carroll which, if we can get it right will produce a fair amount of goals.
I think Shelvey is going to Blackpool for a season long loan as part of the deal (which is great for him) and I'm sure Spearing won't be too dismayed to have to fight for his position in the team. Spearing was brilliant in the second half of last season and he was rewarded with his new contract as a result, there's nothing wrong with challenging him to keep working for his place in the lineup. When did competition for a place become a bad thing?Chriswok said:
If the season started tomorrow and this was our team I'd be completely in agreement with you. However I know we're targeting wingers and a left back so I'm not too worried about things, it's just a matter of being patient. We are far from the finished article at the moment and I don't think anyone would think otherwise.Chriswok said:
He was the Villa player of the season, call it bollocks all you want but we're dealing with facts here.LabouredSubterfuge said:
In terms of writers sharing that opinion I'll re-link you to the Downing article on the Guardian from last night:
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Kermit The Dog
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omgkitty said:
He didn't hit on anything but the sour grapes you and many feel towards clubs with money. I mean, it's almost as though Arsenal don't have oodles of money aswell?! I can understand why you would justify Arsenal not winning things based on newfound competition from cashed-up clubs, but if you think that takes away from the pure thrill and elation of any success City may have, bottle it.
It'll only ever be an asterix in your eyes. Meanwhile, I'll be 10 bourbon's past legless.
Kermit The Dog
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dc89 said:Look at this! This is why I love City's website:
http://mcfc.co.uk/Carousel?id=1fac77ff-5733-4a35-9293-4c14dc74eabc&play=1
Look at Adam Johnson's car.
Awesome video. Thanks for the link, somehow I missed that.
This is why City's website is the best thing on the internet, ever.
Not in my case, or DC89's either. If you want me to spill my inner torment about the mid to late 90's, I will. = P
bonesmccoy
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If Adam's coming in, doesn't that mean Poulsen is heading out?
I'm very surprised that Liverpool has told Jovanovic that he can talk to other teams, and has left Poulsen out in the cold. Maybe he tells great jokes in the dressing room, or maybe his wife makes a great goulash at team pot-lucks.
Back to Adam: He's an interesting buy. British player, near the physical prime of his career, with PL experience. He seems like the kind of player that could - I hope - match up well with Lucas. Though I really don't know if he's useful defensively or not.
I'm very surprised that Liverpool has told Jovanovic that he can talk to other teams, and has left Poulsen out in the cold. Maybe he tells great jokes in the dressing room, or maybe his wife makes a great goulash at team pot-lucks.
Back to Adam: He's an interesting buy. British player, near the physical prime of his career, with PL experience. He seems like the kind of player that could - I hope - match up well with Lucas. Though I really don't know if he's useful defensively or not.
His defensive contribution for Blackpool last season wasn't good. Adam and Henderson don't offer much defensively.
Ooh, Johnson signs contract extension.
Ooh, Johnson signs contract extension.
Kermit The Dog said:
I completely understand your point of view. If Usmanov came in tomorrow, fired Wenger, and then bought 200 million worth of players, I would still be an Arsenal fan. I will admit I do think it's unfair when there are players out there like Eden Hazard who we should buy, but the fact that he probably has a $30 million price tag on his head now is almost unfair. I know Wenger is not going to spend that much money, and with the market shooting up in price (thanks to clubs like City, Chelsea, Madrid and Barca), it's hard to see how Arsenal would ever buy a true star. Eventually the bottom is going to fall out of football, and in the next ten years we are going to see a lot of change, mainly because there are going to be a lot of clubs in dire financial situations. I know that we will then be okay. I guess you could call it sour grapes, but spending millions every 6 months, just because it's fun, it doesn't make it right.
Moobabe said:
I guess where Arsenal doesn't spend 40 million on players like Torres, one of our downfalls is giving our shit players way too much money. Diaby, Denilson and Almunia all make about 20 to 30 thousand too much a week. It's crap players like this that are keeping us from holding onto Nasri. I understand Wenger doesn't want to break the "wage structure" for fear of other players asking for more, but when players who haven't proved a thing are getting paid the same as starters, that't the real problem.
Vivalaraza
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Don't worry. If you guys stay strong for a season or two more, even FFP kicks in (and is hopefully applied) the likes of Arsenal will be alot more competitive when it comes to wages and transfer fees.omgkitty said:
bonesmccoy
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Mastadon said:
I didn't realize Jovanovic was making so much. Now how in the red balls of hell did Benitez ever think offering him that much coin was a good idea. He was a decent player in Belgium, and a big gamble for England. It's just crazy.
Now Krancjar is kicking out at Spurs. He's a tool, but 10 million pounds does seem excessive for him.
Shake Appeal
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New Juventus jerseys are so disappointing.
Kermit The Dog
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Shake Appeal said:
Can't be worse than City's surely?
Greyface said:
Arshavin wanted to leave. He made it very clear and he and his agent were the one's doing the talking, not Arsenal. We went back and forth with their club. Same with Chamakh. We weren't willing to pay the price for him that Bordeaux wanted because he was going to be free in 6 months. They knew he was going to leave regardless, and several other clubs inquired about him, but he didn't accept. He wanted to come to us. If they had lowered their price, we might have bought him earlier. We don't go out and berate clubs over their star players, talking in the papers every day, talking about how their players have our "DNA". We make an inquiry with the club about the availability of their player and we negotiate.
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