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FootballSoccerFútbolFussball Thread 2010/2011 |OT2|
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Mr. Luchador
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I find it absurd that Harry Redknapp has the nerve to even comment on other clubs approaching/unsettling players.
Kermit The Dog
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LabouredSubterfuge said:
You are such a try-hard it almost pains me to read your clumsy posts. Sarcasm is the lowest etc, ad-nauseam. Unless of course you're comfortable being regarded as a limp-wristed, half-arsed, phoning-it-in bridge troll, in which case full-steam ahead! :lol
Kermit, you are absolutely loving this aren't you? If it was my club I would be too
Not because I'm spiteful, but because I love my club and we're finally being run by people who clearly know what they're doing. I'm not as blind as to think there's possibly something a little wink-wink going on within the deal, but when you're working under the auspices of FIFA, I'm sure they'll let it slide. :lol
Facism
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Hasphat'sAnts said:
I mean, Germany were essentially playing Turkey's B team that game and nearly lost. We were missing 6 first choice players and had 3 outfield players on the bench.
I was proud of the result anyhow. Expected a massive beating but ended up just losing at the end.
Smart move from City there, guarantees them a good chunk of disposable income each transfer window to play around with unhindered. Like I posted last night it seems we're resigned to leaving Anfield and selling the naming rights to our new stadium for the same purpose, it's a necessity in the modern game.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Kermit The Dog said:
Awww bless you. Only a real fan would come to their club's protection after such a vituperative attack. Funny how no-one else gets so worked up about the odd jibe about their club. I think you may genuinely have a problem. You really don't have to read my posts though. Especially if it pains you to do so. Although I imagine reading causes you pain generally.
As a side note, I'd like to propose that sarcasm isn't the lowest form of wit. Quite demonstrably so. But thank you for resorting to a personal attack in any case. We all know you can't do better.
Do keep up with whole being popular thing Kermit.
best goals of the season 2010/2011. Awesome compilation!
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Vivalaraza
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Even at £10m-£12m a season City's naming right deal leaves them a long way off FFP. I think the figure is a £20m loss in the first two years which is seen as acceptable, City made a loss over £100m last year so it take alot of fiddling to get within those boundaries.
Personally I don't see how it's possible for them to do it, but it probably won't matter in the end...UEFA will let it slide.
Arsenal's deal is £10m a year right? Can't see how they'd claim City's is not at a fair market price in that sense. Obv they wouldn't get close to what they have got if the company sponsoring wasn't Etihad..but it will pass as fair.
I doubt City fans care, but I'd be heart broken if Old Trafford ever had it's naming right sold.
Personally I don't see how it's possible for them to do it, but it probably won't matter in the end...UEFA will let it slide.
Arsenal's deal is £10m a year right? Can't see how they'd claim City's is not at a fair market price in that sense. Obv they wouldn't get close to what they have got if the company sponsoring wasn't Etihad..but it will pass as fair.
I doubt City fans care, but I'd be heart broken if Old Trafford ever had it's naming right sold.
mocolostrocolos
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Adebayor won't go with Man City on its summer tour.
I hope Real can buy him cheap.
I hope Real can buy him cheap.
Kermit The Dog
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Old Trafford is a classic, iconic name. Eastlands had fuck all emotion to it, so no-one cares. Had it been Maine Road, it wouldve been ugly.farhatraza said:
Naming rights are a really unfortunate side of the modern game but United has a huge stadium and excellent revenue. Of course if the whisperings are to be believed, the debt situation is pretty nasty and a naming rights sale could do a job in helping to clear that up.farhatraza said:
farhatraza said:
the Apple Old Trafford: What's there not to like?
The ipod old trafford...
The ipad area.
the xbox kinect old Trafford, with ipod stretford end stand.com
The wii theatre of dreams.
Or simply... The VITA!
Come on man, what's there not to like? It's only tradition, history, fan's wishes on the line.
dc89 said:
If UEFA police FFP to the letter of the law, i dont see how City can get out of it.
That 10m pound a year deal for the rights seems so small in covering their loss of over 120m pound a year. Isnt it meant to get worse or was that deficient made mostly by transfers?
Anyway its how are they going to cover their wage bill on all their players that are on 100k and over a week and on 5 year contracts, i say as surely their revenue they make cant cover it and such as i think the players they want to sell wont get bought as clubs wont go near them because there massive wages. like Bridge, Cruz, Adebayor
Vivalaraza
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Yeah good point.Kermit The Dog said:
Chris Smalling has signed a new 5 year contract at Man United. Good to see we've rewarded him for a really promising debut season. Got to say he surprised me, did not think he would be as good as he has been. Next season will be tougher for sure though.
operon said:
While I would be sad to see our stadium named after a company, it seems that the way the game's going these days, it's the only option if we want to remain competitive.
If we do choose to sell the naming rights should we move, then I can't wait to see the deal that Ian Ayre signs, his commercial work so far's been nothing short of brilliant. The Warrior kit deal will be absolutely huge compared to what we're getting currently from Adidas.
Vivalaraza
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Arnie said:
It would be very sad to see Liverpool leave Anfield. It's Liverpool after all and we've had some terrible days there and whatnot, but it's a big part of English football history...and I suppose just football itself. A truly iconic ground. Never been myself, but it'd be a big loss, mostly to Liverpool of course.
I think you could get a very big deal. Liverpool moving to a new stadium would be big throughout the football world.PaulLFC said:
farhatraza said:
Arsenal seriously need to renegotiate all of their deals. We made some bad deals last time with the Nike kit deals and the stadium naming rights. Albeit this was all about 5 years ago when the market wasn't crazy, but most other teams have bumped up their sponsorship deals since then, and it's about time we do the same. We are losing millions.
Vivalaraza
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It's difficult to get these deals right. Certainly it seems Arsenal's shirt sponsorship deal is poor...but, and this may sound harsh, Arsenal aren't really a club with the same stature of United/Liverpool and certainly not Real Madrid/Barcelona/Bayern/Milan. Since the club has stagnated on the pitch for the last few years, it is going to be difficult to get a deal which is in the same league as those clubs.omgkitty said:
I'm not sure how many shirts Arsenal sell though, or how that deal works out for Nike. If you're selling alot of shirts you should be getting more than you are. We signed a deal with Nike 10 years ago at 21m a year, slowly rising to 25.5m this year, but in hindsight it wasnt thveneer deal for us. If we were worth 21m back then we should definitely be worth 30m a year by now. We also get zilch, nada, from any shirt sales...so for example, all the thousands of shirts sold due to Park and Hernandez...we haven't seen any extra profit from if, Nike have got it all. When we signed that deal it looked incredible, today...not as hot. Hopefully we can look to get a 30m-35m deal next time around.
Liverpool did an awesome job getting the deal they got. Hopefully you guys can do similar, but if both Nasri and Cesc leave...looks tough.
farhatraza said:
I have seen a good chart before of overall shirt sales and whatnot and I am pretty sure Arsenal were in the top 10, and only behind Man U and Barca as far as Nike go. I will see if I can find it. But yeah, you are right.
Edit: Here it is. We are only behind Madrid, Barca and Man United.
I found this post from The Swiss Ramble I read a few weeks ago. This guy is ridiculous when it comes to financial breakdowns for football clubs.
You can read the whole thing here.
Arsenals weakness arises from the fact they had to tie themselves into long-term deals to provide security for the stadium financing, which arguably made sense at the time, but recent deals by other clubs have highlighted the lost opportunities. The Emirates deal was worth £90 million, covering 15 years of stadium naming rights (£42 million) running until 2020/21 and 8 years of shirt sponsorship (£48 million) until 2013/14. Similarly, the club signed a 7-year kit supplier deal with Nike for £55 million until 2011/12, but that has since been extended by 3 years until 2013/14.
So, following step-ups, the shirt sponsorship deal is reportedly worth £5.5 million a season, which compares highly unfavourably to the £20 million earned by Liverpool from Standard Chartered and Manchester United from Aon. Its the same story with the kit deal, which now delivers £8 million a season, compared to the £25 million deal recently announced by Liverpool with Warrior Sports and the £25.4 million paid to Manchester United by Nike (yes, the same company that pays Arsenal much less).
Its not overly dramatic to say that Arsenal leave over £30 million a season on the table, because of their poor commercial deals, which is the equivalent of one great player a season.
Arsenals new owner Stan Kroenke has said that he intends to use his experience to help Arsenal continue to grow its global brand, including persuading Wenger to take his side on a pre-season tour to Asia, but he might also consider whether it would be worth buying out these punitive commercial contracts, as Chelsea did a few years ago.
Arsenal have restructured their commercial team at great expense, recruiting Tom Fox from the NBA in August 2009, but to be perfectly candid they have not delivered much to date. In fact, commercial revenue actually fell £4 million in 2009/10. They might argue that their hands are tied with the long-term deals, but if that is the case, what was the point in hiring such costly executives? In any case, they should be able to work freely on secondary sponsor deals, which has been an important source of Uniteds impressive growth. When the interim results were announced, Gazidis said that fans would begin to see some results over the next year lets hope so.
You can read the whole thing here.
Vivalaraza
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Okay wow you should be doing ALOT better than that...omgkitty said:
farhatraza said:
Yeah I was dumbfounded when I first read this. This dude is insane. He's done this for several clubs and he goes into all these records and postings to figure out things. But yeah, looking at how many shirts we obviously sell (I know I buy 1 or 2 a year) and how much they are giving us, it's crazy.
Yes that would be Lucas.madmackem said:
Some Opta numbers/games for last season lifted off WhoScored.com for just some of our many CMs, and Vaughan.
Code:
Apps Tackle Int. Foul Clr Dribbled past Blk Shot OG
Lucas Leiva 32(1) 5.2 2 2 1.6 1.7 0.3 -
David Vaughan 35 4 2 1 1.6 1.5 0.4 -
Gerrard 20(1) 2.8 1.8 1.1 1.7 0.3 0.6 -
Spearing 10(1) 2.5 1.5 0.5 1.1 0.5 0.2 -
Meireles 32(1) 2.4 2.1 0.8 0.7 1.1 0.2 -
Charlie Adam 34(1) 2.1 1.9 2 2.8 1.4 0.5 1
Henderson 37 1.7 1.7 0.7 0.9 1 0.2 -
Code:
Apps Assist KPpg Avg Pass% Cross Long Trb
Lucas Leiva 32(1) 1 0.7 54.4 83 - 3 0.2
David Vaughan 35 2 0.7 48.4 87 0.6 4.1 0.1
Charlie Adam 34(1) 8 2.1 53.8 72 1.3 7.5 0.3
Gerrard 20(1) 5 2.5 59.8 80 1.6 5.6 0.3
Meireles 32(1) 5 2 40.8 78 1.5 2 0.1
Henderson 37 4 2.2 44.4 81 1.5 3.5 0.2
Spearing 10(1) - 0.6 38.3 80 0.1 2.7 0.1Mata isn't a defensive midfielder. 85% is much more impressive when you've 8 goals and 12 assists.odd_morsel said:
Meireles played off the striker or on the right for much of last season, Spearing and Lucas holding midfield. Lucas made more tackles than Vaughan in a side that didn't have to do quite so much defending.
danwarb said:
Mata's was actually 86%. It seems as though Mata prefers making short passes and inside runs and not crosses, because if he was a crosser, his percentage would probably be lower. His pass percentage is actually better than Fabregas', who only had 81%, but then again, Mata probably isn't surrounded as much.
Vivalaraza
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So apparently Etihad (who have never made a profit) are sponsoring City's ground and complex at £30m a year!?!? Hahaha. That is madness. Hope UEFA look into that and tell City to do one...unlikely though :-/
Bobby Charlton was on SSN earlier, was saying United were not looking to sell the grounds naming rights as its too important for the club. Glad to hear that, just to keep some pressure on the Glazers cos I'm sure they would be interested.
Also, he said that if Nasri wanted to join United he had to respect the clubs traditions and history. Not sure what he meant by that really...surprised to hear him comment at all. United seem to be taking a different approach on this transfer, it is a unique type of deal I suppose.
Bobby Charlton was on SSN earlier, was saying United were not looking to sell the grounds naming rights as its too important for the club. Glad to hear that, just to keep some pressure on the Glazers cos I'm sure they would be interested.
Also, he said that if Nasri wanted to join United he had to respect the clubs traditions and history. Not sure what he meant by that really...surprised to hear him comment at all. United seem to be taking a different approach on this transfer, it is a unique type of deal I suppose.
elsk said:
I know that's a rule in the Premier League. If a player is under 21 on January 1st, they don't count against the total, and you must have 8 players on the team who were trained in England 3 years before turning 21. I think that's right. It's how Arsenal have so many squad players without going close to the maximum limit.
omgkitty said:
Theres a limit on the size of the squad, which you have to decide the players before the season starts, anyone not any the list will not take part in the premiership, until the next transfer window open when the could then be added to the list instead of someone else.
Maybe someone could explain this better than I.
BBC news
This should explain it better
operon said:
Yeah I was trying to add to that 25 player rule. What I said is the parameters of the team, and it has to be under 25, but like I said, if the player is under 21 on January 1st of the year of the start of the season, they can be added to the squad without adding to the total number of the 25. You have to have a minimum of 15 as well.
Edit: Can't believe I got all that right haha....I guess playing Football Manager helps for something. Then again, I did waste 7 hours playing the demo the other night and only got 5 hours of sleep so yeah.
Vivalaraza
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Chelsea are releasing a statement at 5pm regarding an injury to Michael Essien according to Twitter reports. Could be bad news. Let's hope not.
Also, re City's sponsorship. App it's 300m+ over 10 years and includes total sponsorship, so shirt, stadium, City complex etc. Which means although obv Abu Dhabi influenced it can be passed as fair.
Also, re City's sponsorship. App it's 300m+ over 10 years and includes total sponsorship, so shirt, stadium, City complex etc. Which means although obv Abu Dhabi influenced it can be passed as fair.
According to SSN, no one has made a bid for Nasri.
LabouredSubterfuge
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That's an older report. Today it was mentioned by some articles the Gill had made a verbal offer of £20 mill. at some point but it was rejected.
If you live in the US and want a new kit for this next season, go to Kitbag today. They are having £5 printing today, and with the exchange rate in the shitter, you can get a new kit around $65 shipped. I am about to pick up the new Arsenal home kit with Ramsey on the back and last years away strip for about $98 shipped.
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