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Vivalaraza
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This ticket stuff is confusing.
At Man United it's pretty straightforward. There's one membership package, "One United". It's £30 per season, and you can apply for every home match through a ballot. I think we sell about 55k season tickets so it leaves at least about 15k seats to the ballot. You don't get any of the online perks with that though.
It's not too difficult to get tickets for United games these days. Season tickets are readily available and for some of the less glamourous matches tickets went to general sale last year.
At Man United it's pretty straightforward. There's one membership package, "One United". It's £30 per season, and you can apply for every home match through a ballot. I think we sell about 55k season tickets so it leaves at least about 15k seats to the ballot. You don't get any of the online perks with that though.
It's not too difficult to get tickets for United games these days. Season tickets are readily available and for some of the less glamourous matches tickets went to general sale last year.
Tim the Wiz
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farhatraza said:
Did Levy learn nothing from the Berbatov saga? There's only one way this is going. Control the situation, secure a big price and get it over with early in the window so you can plan for the future. The way Fergie handled the Ronaldo sale should be the textbook model for these occasions.
Joel Was Right
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I got an email about the eSeason ballot so I'm pretty sure it's still on for next season.PaulLFC said:
As for the United and City games, I reckon you'll need the 7 and the corresponding fixture, which is a piss take because I had 5 and the fixture. I'm just going for the Ballot once again, hasn't failed me so far.
A mate of mine at Uni told me this and I was shocked. For a club with a fan base the size of United's, the fact that season tickets are readily available is appalling.farhatraza said:
I'd literally give a couple of toes for a season ticket, let alone one on the Kop, and that's one reason why I can't wait for the stadium issues to be resolved so I've got more of a chance.
Arnie said:
Hopefully you're right, as I have eSeason as well as the membership this season. But on the eSeason ballot page at the moment, it says they won't be having a ballot next season:
"Liverpool FC will no longer be operating a separate match day ticket ballot for subscribers to LFC TV Online next season and the 500 tickets will be made available to supporters through the Official Membership scheme.
This move is part of a wider Club policy of streamlining our ticket selling procedures and while we appreciate those LFC TV Online members who did take up the offer will be disappointed, we hope you can understand why we have taken the decision. Last Season on average, only 0.5% of LFCTV Online members were entering a ballot and the operation of the ballot also required a significant admin resource to manage. At the same time, the Club also has a greater demand for tickets from a growing number of Official Members.
Thank you for your continued support."
Arnie said:
Same. My mate has just managed to get a season ticket in the Kop for next season, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous. At least with the members sale there should be more chance for tickets now though.
Vivalaraza
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Arnie said:
Yeah it's quite surprising. Until a few seasons ago they were very difficult to get hold of I believe. When we expanded to 76k and the prices started to rocket, they've become far easier to get hold of. Last season the club looked to sell 54,000 but we sold about 52,000 in the end. Many of those are the box seats, but I think alot of people gave them up in response to the takeover, added to the fact they've pretty much doubled in price over the last 4/5 years is driving people away.
Just as a general point though, I don't think it's as hard to get tickets for games as many people assume. At clubs like Liverpool it certainly is harder as the capacity doesn't satisfy demand...but at the bigger stadiums around Europe, you often find many games not selling out.
Tim the Wiz said:
Perhaps, and whilst it's crazy of Levy to tell Modric he can go and sit in the stands (the most common used empty threat you can possibly come up with) it's a different situation for him. Spurs don't have the same power as clubs like Arsenal/United may do. Both in terms of wages and giving players enough incentive to compromise (CL football for example).
Just had a look at my emails and I've got the same thing. Shit. Really wanted to go to the big games. Oh well, I'll make sure to go to over 7 games this season so I can get to them next season, that's disappointing. Unless of course there's still a couple left over when they go on sale to us.PaulLFC said:
I'm friends with an FC United fan. Perhaps he's not the most impartial source, but he says demand for tickets at United has been going down for some time. Apparently the price of tickets has gone up substantially, which regardless of club size is always going to make a difference.
I don't think it's a huge problem for United. They're one of the biggest clubs in the world. Pay on the day demand should always be enough to cover season ticket shortfall whilever United are as successful as they are.
Getting hold of a season ticket has never been a problem for me at Hillsborough. The problem with having a 40,000 seater stadium in League One is that people know they don't need an ST to "guarantee" a seat. Getting tickets for away matches is a different matter, mind.
I don't think it's a huge problem for United. They're one of the biggest clubs in the world. Pay on the day demand should always be enough to cover season ticket shortfall whilever United are as successful as they are.
Getting hold of a season ticket has never been a problem for me at Hillsborough. The problem with having a 40,000 seater stadium in League One is that people know they don't need an ST to "guarantee" a seat. Getting tickets for away matches is a different matter, mind.
I'm at Sheffield Uni so I had an exam at Hillsborough. Put some flowers down before hand at the memorial. It was a pretty weird place to have an exam, and it was on transfer deadline day too, so we tweeted in to BBC that we'd seen Marlon Harewood skulking around the place.Mat C said:
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Kozak said:
I agree, it's pretty ridiculous. We nearly lost the bloody game against Sivasspor. There's all sorts of dodgy dealings going on but Fener seems like it's going to be the sacrifice, irregardless of other whether other teams have been dodgy.
All the foreign players will be sold. I doubt Lugano, Stoch, Dia, Niang, Yobo etc will want to play in Bank Aysa League 1
Maybe we'll keep Guiza olol. Wouldn't be able to pay him, though Anyway, Aziz Yildirim has been formally charged with match fixing. Shame the pric is going to take the club with him, but at least he's likely to lose his position at Fener, something i've been relishing for a few years. Has no business running a football club.
Arnie said:
Haha, wait, that was just your fault? Rest assures nobody believed it but that was a rumour I did hear about..
Hopefully once we get ourselves sorted out on the pitch and can afford to make improvements off it, we will improve the memorial to the disaster. Id like to see the Leppings Lane end torn down and rebuilt as well but unfortunately these things take a back seat when the club has basically ran insolvent for 10 years (at least, until now). I'm sure these are things that will be looked at by Mandaric once we get the basics right again.
Yes me and four other friends all tweeted the same thing to BBC on deadline day. Was pretty hilarious. I had my own problems to deal with, what with exiting my exam, firing up Twitter and seeing us launch a £35 million bid for Andy Carroll. It was hard enough going in knowing Torres was on a helicopter to go have dinner with Abramovich and eat using his plastic cutlery.Mat C said:Haha, wait, that was just your fault? Rest assures nobody believed it but that was a rumour I did hear about..
Hopefully once we get ourselves sorted out on the pitch and can afford to make improvements off it, we will improve the memorial to the disaster. Id like to see the Leppings Lane end torn down and rebuilt as well but unfortunately these things take a back seat when the club has basically ran insolvent for 10 years (at least, until now). I'm sure these are things that will be looked at by Mandaric once we get the basics right again.
We also had our Varsity shit at Hillsborough too, Uni versus Hallam football. Was a laugh, although I'm not big on Uni sports. Howard Webb refereed and made a shocking mistakte by missing a blatant hand ball. Useless.
Kermit The Dog
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PaulLFC said:
How much would a season pass in the Kop go for?
Arnie said:
As would I, some people may think it's excessive, why would you pay that much etc. But they're so rare that if a person was offered one and didn't take it, they're likely waiting many years (I'm talking at least 10+ years, probably a lot longer) before they get another opportunity. That isn't an exaggeration either. Liverpool season tickets are like gold dust.
Kermit The Dog
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Mmm, less than I expected.
It's a 20 year wait to become an MCC member at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, Australia's biggest stadium, and that sets me back AUD600 or so every year. The wait was painful. Dad put me down on the waiting list the day I was born, and I got in when I was 19. I get year round access to any event held at the MCG, a guaranteed seat at the Grand Final, and a guaranteed seat in the Members for the Boxing Day Test. Pretty comparable, all said and done.
I'd kill to watch a game in the Kop though.
It's a 20 year wait to become an MCC member at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, Australia's biggest stadium, and that sets me back AUD600 or so every year. The wait was painful. Dad put me down on the waiting list the day I was born, and I got in when I was 19. I get year round access to any event held at the MCG, a guaranteed seat at the Grand Final, and a guaranteed seat in the Members for the Boxing Day Test. Pretty comparable, all said and done.
I'd kill to watch a game in the Kop though.
Fry8 said:
To be honest I think £15m is still double what Downing is worth, but it's abit like the Carroll situation. If these players help Liverpool back to the top then in years to come it won't matter. I'm a big fan of Carroll and think he will be a massive player for both club and country. £35m is a ridiculous fee but if in 5 or 6 years he achieves what he was bought to do, nobody will care.
near
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Meus Renaissance said:
I'm kind of annoyed he has gone public with this, not only does it make him appear extremely unsettled at the club but it also makes the management at the club look coercive, scaring away potential players. Although, I love how firm Levy is, and his approach with Modric wanting out is exactly what we need to push forward into CL next season.
Apparently we want Downing over a player like Mata because he's a proven Premier League performer, and we want that so we can ensure we get back into that top 4 next season. I think we've got a decent chance if we play like we did over the second half of last season, especially as we've got a far less intensive playing schedule when compared to those we're looking to beat.Mat C said:
Fry8 said:
I thought this this morning, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.
Mata, who appears to fit the bill of a Wenger player (young with lots of potential) seems ideal for Arsenal. However, it's a possibility that Mata may not gel into the PL right away, and will need time to adapt. It's also going to take him a while to hit his stride (which I expect will be incredible when he does).
This is time that I don't think Wenger has. I think ideally, he would want to nurture a young player like Mata, but realistically, he knows that if he doesn't win something this year, he's quite possibly on the way out. Against his own intuition, he's probably now looking for someone who's already premiership proven, and can walk into the team straight away and help them win silverware. Hence, Downing.
Vivalaraza
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I get why Liverpool are going down the PL proven line, but I just can't make sense of Downing being bought instead of Mata if the purchase of Mata is indeed possible. It's true he needs time to settle, adapt, all the rest of it...but I really cannot see him being a flop and it's very likely he would be at least as good as Downing. £20m for Downing at age 27 or £22m for Mata age 21. I just don't get why you wouldn't go for Mata.Arnie said:
I'm with you, I'd rather have Mata too, but like what Wenger seems to be under, we need to get into the Champions League next season so we can attract the top echelon of players and get the extra qualification money to pay for them.farhatraza said:
We may spend the money on Downing now, but these investments could pay huge dividends down the line when we've been in the Champions League again for a few consecutive seasons and have managed to sign some of the worlds best players.
We can't afford to risk not getting in this season, we don't have time to wait, especially with how the Europe situation has worked out (or not) for us.
farhatraza said:
Well it keeps being mentioned that there are two English clubs still in talks, so I can only assume that's us and Arsenal.
I suspect, though, that Valencia are trying to make it clear that they don't want him going anywhere, and he seems to be happy enough there for now, so attention switches to Downing as the primary target whilst both teams assess whether Mata has any real likelihood of going anywhere.
Zibrahim said:
Yeah we were absolutely merced by Liverpool on that but, again, if he scores 25 goals next season people will quickly forget the price tag.
As for Liverpool and Arsenal the pressure is huge and, indeed, for Spurs. The cost of not having Champions League football could be massive especially for Liverpool who have already spent - since Kenny took over - a huge amount of money on players who, without being disrespectful and with the exception of Suarez, aren't proven.
The likes of Carrol, Adam, Henderson and potentially Downing are good, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure they're world beaters and, if you don't get Champions League in the next... 3 seasons let's say - would you guys regard them as poor buys?
From United's homepage, on De Gea profile:
http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/First-Team/David-de-Gea.aspx?section=Quote
WTF haha?
http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/First-Team/David-de-Gea.aspx?section=Quote
WTF haha?
Vivalaraza
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They pretty much balanced the books on Suarez and Carroll with the Torres sale so they haven't spent that much yet really. Likely to get up to 50/60m this summer though.Moobabe said:
If Liverpool haven't got into the CL in 3 seasons I think they will be in some trouble. They need it ASAP.
Moobabe said:
Most likely, yes, given that it seems the target is at the very least a top four finish this year.
Having said that, I don't see any reason why they would fail to deliver. As you have already said, Suarez has proven himself. Carrol did very well at Newcastle, but had some serious injury problems in the second half of last season which he thankfully seems to have recovered from fully now (and when he was fit against City he played a blinder).
Adam and Henderson haven't even had a game yet, so unlike some of the plebs on RAWK, I'm not going to pass any judgement until they put on the shirt and play for us.
Our big problem over the next 3 or 4 seasons will be the outgoings of our senior and experienced players, such as Carragher and Gerrard. as FSG ahve pointed out, we need a balance of youth and experience, and if the older players that replace Gerrard and Carragher don't have the same drive or passion for the club to inspire the youngsters, that's where we may have problems.
Having said that, in 3 or 4 seasons time, we'll have Sterling playing 1st team regularly, so we'll be sorted anyway
.We need a top 4 finish next season. If we don't do that, I can see Reina and Suarez leaving.
But I think we can do it. We were the 2nd best team in the league for weeks, and that with our average squad AND players like Gerrard, Agger and Kelly (and Carroll) constantly injured.
Downing, Henderson and Adam etc, will give us more depth and consistency, and that's what we need. We also can't lose to teams like Blackpool anymore (twice!!).... but thank God they were relegated.
But I think we can do it. We were the 2nd best team in the league for weeks, and that with our average squad AND players like Gerrard, Agger and Kelly (and Carroll) constantly injured.
Downing, Henderson and Adam etc, will give us more depth and consistency, and that's what we need. We also can't lose to teams like Blackpool anymore (twice!!).... but thank God they were relegated.
farhatraza said:
I think it's going to be extremely tough to break into the top 4 for Liverpool. I think Man Utd and Chelsea are, without counting my chickens, likely to be top 4 again this coming season. Man City are the ones for me who would be most at risk - before I get Kermit spewing shit at me, let me explain:
To lose Tevez, as it looks like City might, is a huge blow. We're talking more than Ronaldo leaving United I think. Tevez scored something like 30% of City's goals last season and was 'involved' in close to 50% of the team's goals. It's a lot anyway - but you consider the games where he SINGLE handedly won points for the side by chasing lost causes and with individual brilliance. You cannot, for any amount of money, buy that kind of player.
Arsenal will be ok - they always are - I think they'll beat the 'smaller' teams regularly enough to stay top 4 - they always play well against City and Liverpool and I think - with some good signings this summer - they can be top 4 again.
Liverpool are the real contenders though - Spurs will struggle this season. There's a lot of deadwood at the club and if they were to lose Modric to Chelsea (please
) I'm not sure they'd get close to the top 4.Moobabe said:Liverpool are the real contenders though - Spurs will struggle this season. There's a lot of deadwood at the club and if they were to lose Modric to Chelsea (please
Based on the development's today, it sounds like you have no thing to worry about in that regard.
I can't see Chelsea and United leaving the top 4 any time soon.
But remember, we finished 2nd 08/09 and then 7th next year... anything can happen.
City's squad is way too strong to not finish top 4. But since it's the first time they do it in more than 30 years (right?), you shouldn't expect them to finish in it every year.
I think Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs will battle for the other spot, and something tells me Everton and Sunderland will be a problem either.
But remember, we finished 2nd 08/09 and then 7th next year... anything can happen.
City's squad is way too strong to not finish top 4. But since it's the first time they do it in more than 30 years (right?), you shouldn't expect them to finish in it every year.
I think Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs will battle for the other spot, and something tells me Everton and Sunderland will be a problem either.
anonnumber6
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The Xabi Alonso effectFry8 said:I can't see Chelsea and United leaving the top 4 any time soon.
But remember, we finished 2nd 08/09 and then 7th next year... anything can happen.
City's squad is way too strong to not finish top 4. But since it's the first time they do it in more than 30 years (right?), you shouldn't expect them to finish in it every year.
I think Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs will battle for the other spot, and something tells me Everton and Sunderland will be a problem either.
bonesmccoy
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Moobabe said:Liverpool are the real contenders though - Spurs will struggle this season. There's a lot of deadwood at the club and if they were to lose Modric to Chelsea (please
A lot depends on how Liverpool's new players work out, and whether or not Spurs' existing team can maintain a run against the rest of the Big 6 (I think we have to use that term now). Are Spurs even looking at players this year? Everything I read about them suggests that they're not doing anything unless players leave. I guess that's the Redknapp effect.
City, well, losing Tevez hurts, but I don't think its the end of the world. Guys like Johnson, Dzeko, and Balotelli *should* be able to fill in the gaps.
magnificent83
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wow, that's the only way it could have ended. With no real punishment for anyone and Blatter in control.Scum said:
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