I'm a bit behind - I'm up to The Prince of Winterfell.
And early days, but my nephew is well-named to be the DM we need, Viva.
Wolf.
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Football Thread 2011/2012 | OT11 | Roll on the Euros and transfer muppetry
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I'm a bit behind - I'm up to The Prince of Winterfell.
And early days, but my nephew is well-named to be the DM we need, Viva.
They could do without a few of the side stories in GoT.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P5d-CcKnsZQ
Video displaying Bilbao's use of high pressure defending.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P5d-CcKnsZQ
Video displaying Bilbao's use of high pressure defending.
Vivalaraza
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Wolf? Not sure if cool/crazy. Probably both I guess!
Wasn't there that rumour that Arsenal were bidding 9m + Chamakh for Giroud? So basically 5m.
No idea what it'll take to get him but he's meant to be quite good so could be a nice deal for Arsenal. If they keep hold of RVP, and get Giroud, with Podolski already done, Arsenal would finally have a strong set of forwards.
Of course all of that won't happen so what does it matter.
Wasn't there that rumour that Arsenal were bidding 9m + Chamakh for Giroud? So basically 5m.
No idea what it'll take to get him but he's meant to be quite good so could be a nice deal for Arsenal. If they keep hold of RVP, and get Giroud, with Podolski already done, Arsenal would finally have a strong set of forwards.
Of course all of that won't happen so what does it matter.
Love it. It's like minimalist ruck commitment in rugby.
Bit of a surprise.
Just two eps behind. Not bad.
Such a beautiful video. Someone should show that Chelsea that getting 9 men behind the ball is not the only way to beat teams with crazy amounts of possession.
You could even see on that how United's midfield is being overrun by Bilbao's pressure system.
a Giroud deal would be pretty fantastic, but it's never going to happen. plus, even if it did... it all depends how he's used. if Wenger insists on one striker up front, then you're going to run into one of the two (perhaps two out of three if RVP stays...) strikers perpetually out of form. once upon a time, Chamakh led Bordeaux to the ligue 1 title too - that transfer didn't work out too well in the end for us.
gone are the days when you could stick a decent, if not world class, striker up front and know they would score 20 goals a season since our midfield simply isn't anywhere near as productive as it was during the heyday of this current crop of players. even with this current squad, wenger's 4-5-1 is a dismal failure - it's far too narrow for a side with two "wingers", won't accommodate a non-world class striker (so if RVP gets injured, we are fucked), and plays half the squad out of position. what's the point in worrying about signings when they're all bound to be misused...
Chelsea/Barca was less a problem of Barca having the majority of possession, but more Barca having a starting XI that is quite possibly one of the best of all time (as cliche as that sounds). even the next best squad in the world, Real Madrid, which tried parking the bus, which tried a midfield destroyer, which tried playing ridiculously high up the pitch, etc. only managed to win after nine attempts. Nine. You only get one shot in a CL semifinal, and playing football with barcelona with ten men is suicide.
Regardless, Inter/Barcelona was one of the best two legged CL ties in some time, if only for the sheer intensity, tension, and drama that accompanied it, so I don't understand the complaining about parking the bus. Especially when you're down to ten men.
gone are the days when you could stick a decent, if not world class, striker up front and know they would score 20 goals a season since our midfield simply isn't anywhere near as productive as it was during the heyday of this current crop of players. even with this current squad, wenger's 4-5-1 is a dismal failure - it's far too narrow for a side with two "wingers", won't accommodate a non-world class striker (so if RVP gets injured, we are fucked), and plays half the squad out of position. what's the point in worrying about signings when they're all bound to be misused...
Chelsea/Barca was less a problem of Barca having the majority of possession, but more Barca having a starting XI that is quite possibly one of the best of all time (as cliche as that sounds). even the next best squad in the world, Real Madrid, which tried parking the bus, which tried a midfield destroyer, which tried playing ridiculously high up the pitch, etc. only managed to win after nine attempts. Nine. You only get one shot in a CL semifinal, and playing football with barcelona with ten men is suicide.
Regardless, Inter/Barcelona was one of the best two legged CL ties in some time, if only for the sheer intensity, tension, and drama that accompanied it, so I don't understand the complaining about parking the bus. Especially when you're down to ten men.
I think the biggest thing about Bielsa's system is that it requires ALL players to be able to tackle and put in a decent amount of defensive work and second have enough stamina to be able to contain your marker, but also have the pace (and stamina) to go back to your position immediately.
Add to that also, your forwards will have to work twice as hard to keep the opposition in their own half.
But you're right with ten men, playing like this against Barca would be suicide.
It also seems easily forgotten that during the first half of the season, under Villas Boas, we tried to employ a high line, heavy pressure sort of game - and We all know how that worked out. There was no way that we would adopt the same strategy in the latter stages of the Champions League, especially against a team of Barca's quality.
Thanks for this. Really appreciate it.
It's not really the same. No team has worked harder, run further, done more of the ball work, than when Bilbao did at Old Trafford for a decade at least.
Vivalaraza
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Yeah I don't think anybody really presses as much as Bilbao and Barca. It's a different level of pressure on the ball.
Amazing to see it in work there. Esp against, Barca, since Pep was inspired by Bielsa himself.
Must take so much out of the players.
Amazing to see it in work there. Esp against, Barca, since Pep was inspired by Bielsa himself.
Must take so much out of the players.
Oui.
Raf was intellectually as well as physically knackered when he didn't chase back and got left flat-footed by Muniain. Pressure like that fucks with your brain.
Lol yup. Imagine a team of Park Ji Sungs with superior tackling ability. Any team would go crazy with that much pressure. Haha
Tim the Wiz
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Congrats, Salazar. Should've gone with Fox, though.
Vivalaraza
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Thing is, once they get it they're pretty good too :lol
My own son will need a dominant animal kingdom name now.
^Squid.
That's true, but not the point I was trying to make. I was responding more to Soi-Fong specifically mentioning Chelsea. Our tactics were borne out of pragmatism and necessity as opposed to a footballing philosophy we wish to carry on with in the future.
That's true, but not the point I was trying to make. I was responding more to Soi-Fong specifically mentioning Chelsea. Our tactics were borne out of pragmatism and necessity as opposed to a footballing philosophy we wish to carry on with in the future.
As much as I'd like to see a system like that implemented by Ferguson there's way too many aging players in our squad for it to work.
If you thought I was insulting Chelsea I wasn't, just stating pretty much that parking the bus isn't the only way to contain teams such as Barca.
Believe me, I have respect even for Chelsea's perseverance to try to contain a Barca side on full assault.
Bear. I'd be honored.
Vivalaraza
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Honey Badger.
I'll do my best.
Respect to Dortmund for what seems to have been a classy transfer process.
And fuck the Guardian's Jamie Jackson. And The Times's James Ducker. Twats.
Nah, just responding that it's probably a style that we would like to adopt in the future, but at that particular time it would have been impractical.
I have no problem with people insulting Chelsea anyway (Deserved in a lot of ways)
EDIT: Call it Pikachu Salazar.
Need woman for child.
Mark Lawrenson buttering up RAWK by targeting a sixth place finish for Liverpool.
I don't want him at Bayern. He will never gain the necessary confidence to have the upper hand against Gomez and he will flop, grabing his head each time he misses a sitter on the pitch.
Even I feel like I've been knifed in a fleshy region reading that.
what u said, actually described gomez very well.
There's no point sacking Harry unless someone truly amazing was in the frame. He has his flaws but overall his record is excellent and players want to play for him. Considering our financial limitations, two top 4 finishes in 3 years is a fantastic achievement. Any other season we would be in the CL now, and there was so much shit going on with him season (court case, heart operation, England talk) that I'll let him off for that dodgy spell during Spring.
If Robben wasn't a useless gimp then none of this talk would be going on.
If Bayern know about how difficult it is for those two big boys to build confidence, why sign both ?
Broder Salsa
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i only watch for the incest story lines, tbh
has actually just started watching it, through the first five episodes now
So many
bastards
Broder Salsa
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4h Givanildo V. Souza ‏@OficialHulk
Thanks to all Chelsea fans, the beautiful messages of support! And I'm sorry for my english hahahah
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Thanks for the messages of support from Chelsea fans!
and he just started following Hazard and Mata. Despite his account for some reason not being verified, Tom Kundert from the timez claims it is his account. Really hope it is.
4h Givanildo V. Souza ‏@OficialHulk
Thanks to all Chelsea fans, the beautiful messages of support! And I'm sorry for my english hahahah
25 May Givanildo V. Souza ‏@OficialHulk
Thanks for the messages of support from Chelsea fans!
and he just started following Hazard and Mata. Despite his account for some reason not being verified, Tom Kundert from the timez claims it is his account. Really hope it is.
Surely he can't.
Unlikely. We seem to be intent on big signings this summer, we could probably sign Dembele with the VDV money and play exactly the same way. I just hate the thought of selling one of our most consistent and likeable players.
As much as it would suck for Spurs, I don't see Vdv as the type who will ever stay at any one club for very long. He's obviously got an ego, and reportedly didn't like being played on the right or starting on the bench.
Seems like it doesn't take much to sour a relationship with him.
Seems like it doesn't take much to sour a relationship with him.
Yea, i hate it too. VDV has been brilliant during his time at Spurs and i have liked him dunno why he would want to leave Spurs tho. Is it coz Harry is preferring to play Bale behind the striker instead of him recently?
We never play Bale behind the striker, he just drifts into the middle sometimes. VDV has played the vast majority of the season in his usual position or in a free role as part of a front 3. If he does move it probably has more to do with CL football + being closer to his wife who works in Germany.
Tim the Wiz
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The truth is, Rooney's first touch and ball control in tight spaces lets him down when he's playing in that AM role. He still scores plenty of goals and he's got a great range of passing and vision, but his best season, don't forget, was when he was leading the line up front (2009/2010). Plus, Kagawa said in an interview that Fergie spoke to him of his admiration for the way he plays off the striker, so we'll likely have him in his natural position most of the time, especially since a return to the 4-3-3 is overdue for big games. But some games, Fergie could rotate Kagawa there, maybe.
And they're different players no doubt, but Kagawa also reminds me, in some ways, of an early Scholes, when he used to play in behind the striker: I could see him playing a deeper role in the twilight of his career, too. He's got the intelligence to adapt.
Nein.
That's where Clev goes. And Waz and Welbz should ideally be shifting laterally, spreading teams across and around their box. Kagawa #10.
cause dzeko can actually handle the ball
Tim the Wiz
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-------Carrick--------Clevgod
---------------Kagawa
Nani/Tony V----------Welbeck/
---------------Rooney
I can dig it.
Me likey
Count on it. He suits the strategy* of which the Kagawa signing seems to be a part.
*Selling shirts lolz
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